Noahs Ark (292)
Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 PostsYes mate, I agree. But a man might have built a boat to save his relatives and livestock from the repeated flooding in Sumerian times and, years later the tale evolved through exaggeration into the biblical tale of Noah. It is likely and possible. Moreover, logical. This doesn't only apply to the OT, but to other texts such as the Illiad etc. Stripping away the hyperbole one can gain an insight into the culture and beliefs of the author(s).
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Blues63: Yes mate, I agree. But a man might have built a boat to save his relatives and livestock from the repeated flooding in Sumerian times and, years later the tale evolved through exaggeration into the biblical tale of Noah. It is likely and possible. Moreover, logical. This doesn't only apply to the OT, but to other texts such as the Illiad etc. Stripping away the hyperbole one can gain an insight into the culture and beliefs of the author(s).
Damn, forgot the quote button. To Conrad's last post
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Blues63: Yes mate, I agree. But a man might have built a boat to save his relatives and livestock from the repeated flooding in Sumerian times and, years later the tale evolved through exaggeration into the biblical tale of Noah. It is likely and possible. Moreover, logical. This doesn't only apply to the OT, but to other texts such as the Illiad etc. Stripping away the hyperbole one can gain an insight into the culture and beliefs of the author(s).
That is most likely how the Tale evolved!
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ooby_dooby: As a retired engineer I think you'll appreciate this little excersize.
The arc was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high. A cubit is about 18 inches. That works out to 450 feet long by 75 feet wide by 45 feet high. That's 1,518,750 cubic feet displacement. To stand up to the forces of the ocean etc the thickness of the "Gopherwood" hull would have to be a min of 6 inches. This works out to a volume of wood equal to 40,500 cubic feet. Gopherwood is closely similar to Cyprus which weighs about 30 lbs per cubic foot for a total weight of wood of 1,214,970 pounds or 607 tons of cut, shaped and fitted wood. How long would it take a big strong man to cut down a Cyprus tree (they grow in a swamp remember) trim the branches haul it to the construction site, shape it into timber suitable for the hull of a ship? Also, as he/they felled trees closest to the build site (using stone axe's remember because this was before the bronze age, no chain saws or even steel) they had to haul the logs from farther and farther away.
A man would be lucky to drop a cyprus tree by chopping at it with a stone axe all day. What shape would he be in to repeat this process the next day and the next several thousand times and that's just gathering enough wood to build a ship that size. It would take over 3 years of back breaking work 7 days a week to assemble that much wood. Forget about the actual building of the ship which would have been beyond Noah and his familys ability. This doesn't even touch on the wood needed for the internal structure of the ship, stalls, decks, food bunkers, etc. Did the ship have a roof or did all the animals just get soaking wet for 40 days and nights?
I could go on & on & on proving by simple logic and math that the story of Noahs Arc is totally false, a myth.
The arc was 300 cubits long, 50 cubits wide and 30 cubits high. A cubit is about 18 inches. That works out to 450 feet long by 75 feet wide by 45 feet high. That's 1,518,750 cubic feet displacement. To stand up to the forces of the ocean etc the thickness of the "Gopherwood" hull would have to be a min of 6 inches. This works out to a volume of wood equal to 40,500 cubic feet. Gopherwood is closely similar to Cyprus which weighs about 30 lbs per cubic foot for a total weight of wood of 1,214,970 pounds or 607 tons of cut, shaped and fitted wood. How long would it take a big strong man to cut down a Cyprus tree (they grow in a swamp remember) trim the branches haul it to the construction site, shape it into timber suitable for the hull of a ship? Also, as he/they felled trees closest to the build site (using stone axe's remember because this was before the bronze age, no chain saws or even steel) they had to haul the logs from farther and farther away.
A man would be lucky to drop a cyprus tree by chopping at it with a stone axe all day. What shape would he be in to repeat this process the next day and the next several thousand times and that's just gathering enough wood to build a ship that size. It would take over 3 years of back breaking work 7 days a week to assemble that much wood. Forget about the actual building of the ship which would have been beyond Noah and his familys ability. This doesn't even touch on the wood needed for the internal structure of the ship, stalls, decks, food bunkers, etc. Did the ship have a roof or did all the animals just get soaking wet for 40 days and nights?
I could go on & on & on proving by simple logic and math that the story of Noahs Arc is totally false, a myth.
Why do you think building the ark was beyond Noah's ability? How were the pyramids built then
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Merri: Why do you think building the ark was beyond Noah's ability? How were the pyramids built then Weknow men built them, yet even we can not recreate them using the tools available at the time they were made?
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Merri: Why do you think building the ark was beyond Noah's ability? How were the pyramids built then Weknow men built them, yet even we can not recreate them using the tools available at the time they were made?
I don’t know about you but the 600 year old man was a giveaway for me? 
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Conrad73: Ever did any Ships-Carpentry?
Have you ever done any pyramid making?
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Conrad73: Ever did any Ships-Carpentry?
I have
, damn hard work. I helped my dad build his last yatch in the 80s it was a wooden one and the shaping of the hul was a nightmare ------ This thread is Archived ------
EliteOne: I don’t know about you but the 600 year old man was a giveaway for me?
they use to measure time... a bit different in those days....
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katt1017: So if you nonbelievers are so smart why are you here arguing all day instead of working at some high paying job worthy of such great minds?
While were at it, being so wonderful why is it you are still single?
While were at it, being so wonderful why is it you are still single?
1. Because I don't NEED to work.
2. Because I enjoy being single.
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Boban1: they use to measure time... a bit different in those days....
I believe you are correct they started counting how many nose hairs a person grows after 40! ------ This thread is Archived ------
Merri: Why do you think building the ark was beyond Noah's ability? How were the pyramids built then Weknow men built them, yet even we can not recreate them using the tools available at the time they were made?
Pyramids weren't built by one man....and they exist, we have proof that they exist...the Ark?
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The entirety regarding NOAH ARk. is a fairy tale.
utterly impossible. The story has so many LEAKS in it.But most things from the BIBLE are questionable.WHY because MAN wrote it
utterly impossible. The story has so many LEAKS in it.But most things from the BIBLE are questionable.WHY because MAN wrote it
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katt1017: So if you nonbelievers are so smart why are you here arguing all day instead of working at some high paying job worthy of such great minds?
While were at it, being so wonderful why is it you are still single?
The story of the ark is not supposed to be taken literally. It is allegorical of salvation (as I understand it). We are a culture that does not deal in parable or allegories as much as others do. Look at the stories according to the culture that wrote them not your own.
As someone else pointed out Strong's concordance is a good tool for doing that.Employed (great pay and benefits)and married to a great woman (also employed and a person with her own faith).
It's brainwashed "believers" like you who facilitate the agendas of evil people who use these parables to convince weak willed people to strap high explosives on their bodies and obliterate innocent people. They use the bible and the quran as proof that thier sacrifice will earn them an eternal life in paradise with multiple virgins in the case of males. I'm not claiming to be so smart as you put it, I just asked a series of questions and by the application of sound scientific principals, demonstrated that the story of Noah is a complete fabrication. So why would anybody accept it as fact as so many "believers" do?While were at it, being so wonderful why is it you are still single?
The story of the ark is not supposed to be taken literally. It is allegorical of salvation (as I understand it). We are a culture that does not deal in parable or allegories as much as others do. Look at the stories according to the culture that wrote them not your own.
As someone else pointed out Strong's concordance is a good tool for doing that.Employed (great pay and benefits)and married to a great woman (also employed and a person with her own faith).
The difference between believers and non believers is that believers accept what they are told without questioning anything. They are told this is this and that is that and they are willing to kill or die for it. Non believers are not. They put whatever they are told to the test and as Judge Judy has said 100's of times "if it doesn't make sense, it isn't true."
I think I've shone by the mathematics of it that the story is false. It is basically no different than santa claus flying through the air on a sled pulled by reindeer and visiting about 100,000,000 households in 1 night delivering toys to kids. Do I have to apply the test of science to that also? I think not.
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Is this thread STILL ongoing??
Get over it people, Noahs ark simply did not exist. The story is myth and fairy tale.
There is PROOF.
Geological evidence that there was never a global flood.
Evolutionary evidence that proves that all aquatic animals did NOT have common ancestors who could live in mixed waters (fresh and salt) only 4000 years ago.
Spatial evidence that shows that you simply can't store/feed/segregate/ventilate/or perform sanitation for all earths species only 4000 years ago.
DNA evidence that shows that all of earths inhabitants are not of a 4000 year old common family. (Noah's family did not repopulated the earth)
GET OVER IT.
Get over it people, Noahs ark simply did not exist. The story is myth and fairy tale.
There is PROOF.
Geological evidence that there was never a global flood.
Evolutionary evidence that proves that all aquatic animals did NOT have common ancestors who could live in mixed waters (fresh and salt) only 4000 years ago.
Spatial evidence that shows that you simply can't store/feed/segregate/ventilate/or perform sanitation for all earths species only 4000 years ago.
DNA evidence that shows that all of earths inhabitants are not of a 4000 year old common family. (Noah's family did not repopulated the earth)
GET OVER IT.
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openchick: Is this thread STILL ongoing??
Get over it people, Noahs ark simply did not exist. The story is myth and fairy tale.
There is PROOF.
Geological evidence that there was never a global flood.
Evolutionary evidence that proves that all aquatic animals did NOT have common ancestors who could live in mixed waters (fresh and salt) only 4000 years ago.
Spatial evidence that shows that you simply can't store/feed/segregate/ventilate/or perform sanitation for all earths species only 4000 years ago.
DNA evidence that shows that all of earths inhabitants are not of a 4000 year old common family. (Noah's family did not repopulated the earth)
GET OVER IT.
Get over it people, Noahs ark simply did not exist. The story is myth and fairy tale.
There is PROOF.
Geological evidence that there was never a global flood.
Evolutionary evidence that proves that all aquatic animals did NOT have common ancestors who could live in mixed waters (fresh and salt) only 4000 years ago.
Spatial evidence that shows that you simply can't store/feed/segregate/ventilate/or perform sanitation for all earths species only 4000 years ago.
DNA evidence that shows that all of earths inhabitants are not of a 4000 year old common family. (Noah's family did not repopulated the earth)
GET OVER IT.
tee hee - should we start on that blummin shroud thing next
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trish123: tee hee - should we start on that blummin shroud thing next
PLEASE don't open that can of worms....
Although, a Ron Wyatt thread would be funny....
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I wonder why some people on this thread are getting downright nasty, calling other people names, and such? Can't people have different opinions, state them, and not make nasty personal comments about other people
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Merri: I wonder why some people on this thread are getting downright nasty, calling other people names, and such? Can't people have different opinions, state them, and not make nasty personal comments about other people
Do you see it as nasty Merri? I thought we were just having a laugh
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trish123: Do you see it as nasty Merri? I thought we were just having a laugh
If you have read the entire thread, you will see what I am talking about. Maybe read it and think how you would feel if the hurtful words were directed at you.
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