The missing link (268)
elsson: Seems that the missing link has been found in South Africa but I do not know anymore about it, can anyone enlighten me. Or if proved will the christian fundamentalists back off about their anti Darwin stance ?
Oh, I thought you were talking about my ex-brother-in - law
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felixis99: Oh, I thought you were talking about my ex-brother-in - law
No my ex Mother-in-law.
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elsson: No my ex Mother-in-law.
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elsson: Seems that the missing link has been found in South Africa but I do not know anymore about it, can anyone enlighten me. Or if proved will the christian fundamentalists back off about their anti Darwin stance ?
Darwin's theory has mor questions than Answers .
Change and selection need to be studied at other levels — and there are lots of big, unanswered questions. Evolution is being scaled up to the level of populations, even whole ecosystems. Moreover, scientists say evolution is intertwined with other dynamics in ways science is just starting to understand.
Darwin described how changes in an organism are passed from generation to generation depending on their contribution to survival. Biologists later combined this with genetics, which hadn’t been discovered in Darwin’s time.
The fusion — called neo-Darwinian evolution — describes evolution as we know it today: Genetic mutations produce changes that can become part of a species’ heritage and, when enough changes accumulate, produce new species.
Bacteria, for example, engage in what’s known as horizontal gene transfer: Genes drift from one microbe to another without any need for reproduction. What this means for microbiology isn’t yet clear, let alone biological history — how did multicellular organisms evolve, anyway? But it’s hugely important to figure out.
Another mystery is the tendency of some genes to mutate at unusually high rates. The driver appears to be a process called biased gene conversion, which goes against the notion that evolution is driven by random mutations. Natural selection still operates on its outcome, but is not driving the process itself.
There is an evolution but its just not random . There is a definite intelligence working beyond to make what can be bettered by evolution . Darwin cannot despell "the God factor" .
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bollywood: Darwin's theory has mor questions than Answers .
Change and selection need to be studied at other levels — and there are lots of big, unanswered questions. Evolution is being scaled up to the level of populations, even whole ecosystems. Moreover, scientists say evolution is intertwined with other dynamics in ways science is just starting to understand.
Darwin described how changes in an organism are passed from generation to generation depending on their contribution to survival. Biologists later combined this with genetics, which hadn’t been discovered in Darwin’s time.
The fusion — called neo-Darwinian evolution — describes evolution as we know it today: Genetic mutations produce changes that can become part of a species’ heritage and, when enough changes accumulate, produce new species.
Bacteria, for example, engage in what’s known as horizontal gene transfer: Genes drift from one microbe to another without any need for reproduction. What this means for microbiology isn’t yet clear, let alone biological history — how did multicellular organisms evolve, anyway? But it’s hugely important to figure out.
Another mystery is the tendency of some genes to mutate at unusually high rates. The driver appears to be a process called biased gene conversion, which goes against the notion that evolution is driven by random mutations. Natural selection still operates on its outcome, but is not driving the process itself.
There is an evolution but its just not random . There is a definite intelligence working beyond to make what can be bettered by evolution . Darwin cannot despell "the God factor" .
Change and selection need to be studied at other levels — and there are lots of big, unanswered questions. Evolution is being scaled up to the level of populations, even whole ecosystems. Moreover, scientists say evolution is intertwined with other dynamics in ways science is just starting to understand.
Darwin described how changes in an organism are passed from generation to generation depending on their contribution to survival. Biologists later combined this with genetics, which hadn’t been discovered in Darwin’s time.
The fusion — called neo-Darwinian evolution — describes evolution as we know it today: Genetic mutations produce changes that can become part of a species’ heritage and, when enough changes accumulate, produce new species.
Bacteria, for example, engage in what’s known as horizontal gene transfer: Genes drift from one microbe to another without any need for reproduction. What this means for microbiology isn’t yet clear, let alone biological history — how did multicellular organisms evolve, anyway? But it’s hugely important to figure out.
Another mystery is the tendency of some genes to mutate at unusually high rates. The driver appears to be a process called biased gene conversion, which goes against the notion that evolution is driven by random mutations. Natural selection still operates on its outcome, but is not driving the process itself.
There is an evolution but its just not random . There is a definite intelligence working beyond to make what can be bettered by evolution . Darwin cannot despell "the God factor" .
And yet no evidence that anything is intelligently designed or controlling anything. That is just the easy way out of a debate.
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StressFree: This is being examined on a radical level with a new explanation. The notion to this could change in the future and be proven correct. What you are saying is a common held belief in Western culture---the strong belief in limitation. What if there was something that could alter the DNA and completely change the physical and psychological nature of a species in some drastic fashion? Ugh, I don't want to get into this right now, but I'm just throwing this out there.
I also agree with Wonderworker's stance right now.
I also agree with Wonderworker's stance right now.
a tadpole is the larval stage of the amphib known as frog
An example of evolution would be the development of traits unique to a species and its niche - such as Darwin's finches, for example
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bollywood: Darwin's theory has mor questions than Answers .
Change and selection need to be studied at other levels — and there are lots of big, unanswered questions. Evolution is being scaled up to the level of populations, even whole ecosystems. Moreover, scientists say evolution is intertwined with other dynamics in ways science is just starting to understand.
Darwin described how changes in an organism are passed from generation to generation depending on their contribution to survival. Biologists later combined this with genetics, which hadn’t been discovered in Darwin’s time.
The fusion — called neo-Darwinian evolution — describes evolution as we know it today: Genetic mutations produce changes that can become part of a species’ heritage and, when enough changes accumulate, produce new species.
Bacteria, for example, engage in what’s known as horizontal gene transfer: Genes drift from one microbe to another without any need for reproduction. What this means for microbiology isn’t yet clear, let alone biological history — how did multicellular organisms evolve, anyway? But it’s hugely important to figure out.
Another mystery is the tendency of some genes to mutate at unusually high rates. The driver appears to be a process called biased gene conversion, which goes against the notion that evolution is driven by random mutations. Natural selection still operates on its outcome, but is not driving the process itself.
There is an evolution but its just not random . There is a definite intelligence working beyond to make what can be bettered by evolution . Darwin cannot despell "the God factor" .
Change and selection need to be studied at other levels — and there are lots of big, unanswered questions. Evolution is being scaled up to the level of populations, even whole ecosystems. Moreover, scientists say evolution is intertwined with other dynamics in ways science is just starting to understand.
Darwin described how changes in an organism are passed from generation to generation depending on their contribution to survival. Biologists later combined this with genetics, which hadn’t been discovered in Darwin’s time.
The fusion — called neo-Darwinian evolution — describes evolution as we know it today: Genetic mutations produce changes that can become part of a species’ heritage and, when enough changes accumulate, produce new species.
Bacteria, for example, engage in what’s known as horizontal gene transfer: Genes drift from one microbe to another without any need for reproduction. What this means for microbiology isn’t yet clear, let alone biological history — how did multicellular organisms evolve, anyway? But it’s hugely important to figure out.
Another mystery is the tendency of some genes to mutate at unusually high rates. The driver appears to be a process called biased gene conversion, which goes against the notion that evolution is driven by random mutations. Natural selection still operates on its outcome, but is not driving the process itself.
There is an evolution but its just not random . There is a definite intelligence working beyond to make what can be bettered by evolution . Darwin cannot despell "the God factor" .
Not long ago it was inappropriate to speak of Evolution as a "driven" process.
Just random mutations.
Now it is acceptable to describe environmental factors in terms of "stage-setting"
To call natural history the work of an obscure,indescribable intelligence is just another expression of the ontological argument.
Existence implies God.
Ubiquity.
Mathematics.
Not Christian Fundamentalism.The aforementioned God is as-you-like-him.
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felixis99: a tadpole is the larval stage of the amphib known as frog
Sorry Felixis. Have to pull you up on that one.
The frog is an amphibian i.e. They have gills when born and develop lungs as they metamorphose into an adult.
Larva is the second stage in the life of an insect. (Egg-Larva-Pupa-Adult)
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I'm a believer in Darwinism but there are things that puzzle me.
I assume the finch isn't designed to fly long distance. Darwin based his theory on the fact that each variety of finch was isolated from each other; thus evolving in their own separate ways. So how did they get to the Galapagos Islands in the first place?
Australia's marsupials and monotremes are unique in the world. Yet the continent has only been isolated since the end of the last ice age. Surely they couldn't evolve into what they are that quick. Or could they?
No one's gonna win this one!
I assume the finch isn't designed to fly long distance. Darwin based his theory on the fact that each variety of finch was isolated from each other; thus evolving in their own separate ways. So how did they get to the Galapagos Islands in the first place?
Australia's marsupials and monotremes are unique in the world. Yet the continent has only been isolated since the end of the last ice age. Surely they couldn't evolve into what they are that quick. Or could they?
No one's gonna win this one!
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I'm a believer in Darwinism but there are things that puzzle me.
I assume the finch isn't designed to fly long distance. Darwin based his theory on the fact that each variety of finch was isolated from each other; thus evolving in their own separate ways. So how did they get to the Galapagos Islands in the first place?
Australia's marsupials and monotremes are unique in the world. Yet the continent has only been isolated since the end of the last ice age. Surely they couldn't evolve into what they are that quick. Or could they?
No one's gonna win this one![/quote]
Why does anyone have to win?
Is it that important? Does anyone here intend to save mankind with the answers, or rule the world with the "truth"?
I assume the finch isn't designed to fly long distance. Darwin based his theory on the fact that each variety of finch was isolated from each other; thus evolving in their own separate ways. So how did they get to the Galapagos Islands in the first place?
Australia's marsupials and monotremes are unique in the world. Yet the continent has only been isolated since the end of the last ice age. Surely they couldn't evolve into what they are that quick. Or could they?
No one's gonna win this one![/quote]
Why does anyone have to win?
Is it that important? Does anyone here intend to save mankind with the answers, or rule the world with the "truth"?
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kidatheart:
No one's gonna win this one!Why does anyone have to win? Is it that important? Does anyone here intend to save mankind with the answers, or rule the world with the "truth"?
No one's gonna win this one!Why does anyone have to win? Is it that important? Does anyone here intend to save mankind with the answers, or rule the world with the "truth"?
Well this is the crux. At the end of the day it doesn't matter.
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Blues63: Well this is the crux. At the end of the day it doesn't matter.
No, it really doesn't, yet so many are willing to fight tooth and nail to win. I wonder how many have ever considered that maybe everyone is wrong.
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kidatheart: No, it really doesn't, yet so many are willing to fight tooth and nail to win. I wonder how many have ever considered that maybe everyone is wrong.
True.
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kidatheart: No, it really doesn't, yet so many are willing to fight tooth and nail to win. I wonder how many have ever considered that maybe everyone is wrong.
But it DOES matter. It was questioning that brought us out of the dark ages, without questions we would still be living under the illusion that the earth was flat and the celestial bodies orbited the Earth. Questioning beliefs, ideas, theories and truths are as important now as they were during the dark ages
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BillyFatwas: But Darwin's theory was based on the fact that each species of finch was isolated from the other- -by water.
I'm sure the finches didn't decide "Hey let's fly out into the Pacific and see if we can find an Island before we all die of exhaustion." Tropical storms, hurricanes and a number of other weather phenomenon probably had a lot to do with it.
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Iuchi_Zien: But it DOES matter. It was questioning that brought us out of the dark ages, without questions we would still be living under the illusion that the earth was flat and the celestial bodies orbited the Earth. Questioning beliefs, ideas, theories and truths are as important now as they were during the dark ages
My comment was mean in the context of CS and the forums, not so much "real life".
I'm all for questioning, learning, new theories and discoveries, etc., but they have to be done for the sake of higher learning, as much, or more, as the refuting of previously held "truths".
If it's used solely as a hammer to bash, then why not stick with a good ol' mace, it's just as effective.
Besides, the masses seem to like a bit of blood once in a while.
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kidatheart: My comment was mean in the context of CS and the forums, not so much "real life".
I've heard some truly despicable opinions put forward on this, and other forums. If you don't question those opinions, if you just accept those opinions then you are tacitly agreeing with them so even in the context of CS it is still important. Particularly with threads in this category!
kidatheart:
I'm all for questioning, learning, new theories and discoveries, etc., but they have to be done for the sake of higher learning, as much, or more, as the refuting of previously held "truths".
I'm all for questioning, learning, new theories and discoveries, etc., but they have to be done for the sake of higher learning, as much, or more, as the refuting of previously held "truths".
Why? Three letters my five year old daughter beats me to death with! and "Because it is" doesn't cut it Where do you think we would be if great men, like Darwin, hadn't questioned previously held truths?
kidatheart:
If it's used solely as a hammer to bash, then why not stick with a good ol' mace, it's just as effective.
Besides, the masses seem to like a bit of blood once in a while.
If it's used solely as a hammer to bash, then why not stick with a good ol' mace, it's just as effective.
Besides, the masses seem to like a bit of blood once in a while.
If an idea, a theory, an opinion can't handle questioning then it is worth nothing. I have no time for people who put forward an opinion and then when it is questioned disappear in a huff! as if the the idea of questioning their opinion is some kind of insult. If you put an idea, an opinion out here then expect to get it questioned.
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Why? Three letters my five year old daughter beats me to death with! and "Because it is" doesn't cut it Where do you think we would be if great men, like Darwin, hadn't questioned previously held truths?
Which is exactly why I lean to science. It answers some my questions.
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Iuchi_Zien: Why? Three letters my five year old daughter beats me to death with! and "Because it is" doesn't cut it Where do you think we would be if great men, like Darwin, hadn't questioned previously held truths?
Which is why I lean to science. It answers some of my questions.
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I had a science teacher in high school that made a good point by asking a very good question. He explained evolution, Darwinism and the Big Bang Theory. But the question he asked was this. Who created the Big Bang to begin with? The point being the Big Bang could not have happen from nothing. Something had to be there before the Big Bang could happen. Through evolution you have only adaptations within a species. No way could the DNA change so much in one species to form a completely different species. Good example of evolution.. a tadpole changing into a frog.
This is being examined on a radical level with a new explanation. The notion to this could change in the future and be proven correct. What you are saying is a common held belief in Western culture---the strong belief in limitation. What if there was something that could alter the DNA and completely change the physical and psychological nature of a species in some drastic fashion? Ugh, I don't want to get into this right now, but I'm just throwing this out there.
I also agree with Wonderworker's stance right now.