Obama and Illegal Immigration (270)
venusenvy: Its time for the American Gov. to re-work legislation and create a realistic guest worker/immigration policy. There are many ex-pats that live in Mexico. As well as many immigrants/ seasonal workers in Canada. Neither counrty seems to be having the problems America is having, yet they both face the same issue...Bad laws make outlaws of good people.
In 2000, American let in 16.1m legal immigrants. The projection for 2010, is 21.7m. So over the last 10 years, that average about 18m legals immigrant per year. No other in the world average more legal
immigrant per year, than America. None.
So what do you consider a more 'realistic' than allowing the most legal immigrants into your country to be? Totally open border?
But I warn you, read the rest of this post before you answer.
Because Mexico....average 23% of those legal immigrations of the top 10 countries that immigrate to the US.. The highest percentage of all the world's countries....the next being China at 4.7%. The projection this 2010 year for legal Mexican immigrants is 9.6m. Or 44% of all legal immigrant in the country.
Maybe if we rework our 'unfair immigration laws' to be fair to the world...Mexico will get 4-5% of the total legal immigrant to the country..... For that would be fair to the rest of the world. We can reduce legal Mexican immigration to say 2-3m per year with a fair reworking of American immigration laws. What do you say?
Source of the data...wiki...Immigration to the United States...demographics
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TheresMyFriend: I think a lot of people misunderstand the real issue!
I, for one...am not against Immigration, it is the Illegal Immigration that is against the law, and should be addressed.
If you have nothing to hide, why not present legal papers to show you are legally here.
Chances are that your not going to be asked for proper ID, if your not doing something wrong.
I had a friend suggested that I go to Az, and see if I don't get stopped because of the way I look. (because of my dark hair and etc)
I have no problem with that at all. If I do something to get questioned, i.e. running traffic light, stop sign, speeding, reckless...or any other law, I would welcome my ID to be checked...because the officer is going to ask for it anyway...no problem.
If I'm not breaking the law...I still have nothing to hide.
It's my opinion that it's the illegals that are kicking up such a fuss, not because of violation of their rights...but because they are scared of getting caught being here illegally!
The new AZ proposed law, has got the illegals running scared...which we all know that within that group of people is the infestation of drug runners, dealers, and criminals.
If the illegals want to be here, at least apply for citizenship, the legal way...then they have no reason to be afraid.
It's just like anything else, if you think it's worth so much to be an American, then do it the legal way...really, it's very simple solution.
OK, I have ranted long enough...just wanted to explain it the way I understand it to be. For those against what I have posted, fire your best shot...I stand by my opinion, and you can stand by yours! I am NOT here to argue...there are plenty of that elsewhere.
I, for one...am not against Immigration, it is the Illegal Immigration that is against the law, and should be addressed.
If you have nothing to hide, why not present legal papers to show you are legally here.
Chances are that your not going to be asked for proper ID, if your not doing something wrong.
I had a friend suggested that I go to Az, and see if I don't get stopped because of the way I look. (because of my dark hair and etc)
I have no problem with that at all. If I do something to get questioned, i.e. running traffic light, stop sign, speeding, reckless...or any other law, I would welcome my ID to be checked...because the officer is going to ask for it anyway...no problem.
If I'm not breaking the law...I still have nothing to hide.
It's my opinion that it's the illegals that are kicking up such a fuss, not because of violation of their rights...but because they are scared of getting caught being here illegally!
The new AZ proposed law, has got the illegals running scared...which we all know that within that group of people is the infestation of drug runners, dealers, and criminals.
If the illegals want to be here, at least apply for citizenship, the legal way...then they have no reason to be afraid.
It's just like anything else, if you think it's worth so much to be an American, then do it the legal way...really, it's very simple solution.
OK, I have ranted long enough...just wanted to explain it the way I understand it to be. For those against what I have posted, fire your best shot...I stand by my opinion, and you can stand by yours! I am NOT here to argue...there are plenty of that elsewhere.
Nothing wrong with the idea of carrying your papers if you are here legally. AS for a legal white American citizen like myself, I have to carry an ID.
Need it to drive. or I will go to jail.
Need to be able to at least produce a legal ID.
If you don't think so, even being white. Commit a crime, when asked for your ID, tell the officer you do not have one. When you are asked your name, be brave enough to say ..ahh Joe Smith.
Doubt very much even being white you will be walking away without first going to jail.
As American citizens we are all required to carry our ID.
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jvaski: Sheriff Joe is arrogant and will end up in jail sharing a cell with the hispanics he arrested .........
And, the Supreme Court traditionally rules in the Fed's favor.
They're not gonna let states decide what they unilatrally want to do and allow chaos .
Again, sorry if it inconveniences you
And, the Supreme Court traditionally rules in the Fed's favor.
They're not gonna let states decide what they unilatrally want to do and allow chaos .
Again, sorry if it inconveniences you
Sherrif Joe will not end up in Jail, he is just following the law.
We are not supposed to pick and choose which laws we follow, citizens or not, we are expected to follow ALL the laws.
Arizona is actually following the Federal governments law,only difference is Arizona wants to enforce the law.
TTOM made a very good point which you must really consider.
We have the largest LEGAL Mexican immigrant population in the world.
Much larger percentage of legal Mexican immigrants, than immigrants from any other nationality in the U.S.A.
Answer me ONE question Jv....:
What do you have against Mexican's coming to the country legally?
And is it fair for the immigrants who come here legally/ versus illegally from Mexico?
Awaiting you answers to these fine questions. Please justify your thoughts for everyone.
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TheresMyFriend: I think a lot of people misunderstand the real issue!
I, for one...am not against Immigration, it is the Illegal Immigration that is against the law, and should be addressed.
If you have nothing to hide, why not present legal papers to show you are legally here.
Chances are that your not going to be asked for proper ID, if your not doing something wrong.
I had a friend suggested that I go to Az, and see if I don't get stopped because of the way I look. (because of my dark hair and etc)
I have no problem with that at all. If I do something to get questioned, i.e. running traffic light, stop sign, speeding, reckless...or any other law, I would welcome my ID to be checked...because the officer is going to ask for it anyway...no problem.
If I'm not breaking the law...I still have nothing to hide.
It's my opinion that it's the illegals that are kicking up such a fuss, not because of violation of their rights...but because they are scared of getting caught being here illegally!
The new AZ proposed law, has got the illegals running scared...which we all know that within that group of people is the infestation of drug runners, dealers, and criminals.
If the illegals want to be here, at least apply for citizenship, the legal way...then they have no reason to be afraid.
It's just like anything else, if you think it's worth so much to be an American, then do it the legal way...really, it's very simple solution.
OK, I have ranted long enough...just wanted to explain it the way I understand it to be. For those against what I have posted, fire your best shot...I stand by my opinion, and you can stand by yours! I am NOT here to argue...there are plenty of that elsewhere.
I, for one...am not against Immigration, it is the Illegal Immigration that is against the law, and should be addressed.
If you have nothing to hide, why not present legal papers to show you are legally here.
Chances are that your not going to be asked for proper ID, if your not doing something wrong.
I had a friend suggested that I go to Az, and see if I don't get stopped because of the way I look. (because of my dark hair and etc)
I have no problem with that at all. If I do something to get questioned, i.e. running traffic light, stop sign, speeding, reckless...or any other law, I would welcome my ID to be checked...because the officer is going to ask for it anyway...no problem.
If I'm not breaking the law...I still have nothing to hide.
It's my opinion that it's the illegals that are kicking up such a fuss, not because of violation of their rights...but because they are scared of getting caught being here illegally!
The new AZ proposed law, has got the illegals running scared...which we all know that within that group of people is the infestation of drug runners, dealers, and criminals.
If the illegals want to be here, at least apply for citizenship, the legal way...then they have no reason to be afraid.
It's just like anything else, if you think it's worth so much to be an American, then do it the legal way...really, it's very simple solution.
OK, I have ranted long enough...just wanted to explain it the way I understand it to be. For those against what I have posted, fire your best shot...I stand by my opinion, and you can stand by yours! I am NOT here to argue...there are plenty of that elsewhere.
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ttom500: In 2000, American let in 16.1m legal immigrants. The projection for 2010, is 21.7m. So over the last 10 years, that average about 18m legals immigrant per year. No other in the world average more legal
immigrant per year, than America. None.
So what do you consider a more 'realistic' than allowing the most legal immigrants into your country to be? Totally open border?
But I warn you, read the rest of this post before you answer.
Because Mexico....average 23% of those legal immigrations of the top 10 countries that immigrate to the US.. The highest percentage of all the world's countries....the next being China at 4.7%. The projection this 2010 year for legal Mexican immigrants is 9.6m. Or 44% of all legal immigrant in the country.
Maybe if we rework our 'unfair immigration laws' to be fair to the world...Mexico will get 4-5% of the total legal immigrant to the country..... For that would be fair to the rest of the world. We can reduce legal Mexican immigration to say 2-3m per year with a fair reworking of American immigration laws. What do you say?
Source of the data...wiki...Immigration to the United States...demographics
immigrant per year, than America. None.
So what do you consider a more 'realistic' than allowing the most legal immigrants into your country to be? Totally open border?
But I warn you, read the rest of this post before you answer.
Because Mexico....average 23% of those legal immigrations of the top 10 countries that immigrate to the US.. The highest percentage of all the world's countries....the next being China at 4.7%. The projection this 2010 year for legal Mexican immigrants is 9.6m. Or 44% of all legal immigrant in the country.
Maybe if we rework our 'unfair immigration laws' to be fair to the world...Mexico will get 4-5% of the total legal immigrant to the country..... For that would be fair to the rest of the world. We can reduce legal Mexican immigration to say 2-3m per year with a fair reworking of American immigration laws. What do you say?
Source of the data...wiki...Immigration to the United States...demographics
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We are not supposed to pick and choose which laws we follow, citizens or not, we are expected to follow ALL the laws.
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venusenvy: Its time for the American Gov. to re-work legislation and create a realistic guest worker/immigration policy. There are many ex-pats that live in Mexico. As well as many immigrants/ seasonal workers in Canada. Neither counrty seems to be having the problems America is having, yet they both face the same issue...Bad laws make outlaws of good people.
Can't argue with your thinking on this one.
Simplest solution. With today's technology it can be expedited and would work.
But the illegal Mexican people here, then would have to become guest workers also? That would be then the 24 million worker question.???????
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Bottom line…it’s the immigration job not a state job. All this only amounts to prejudice. 
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menu2: Bottom line…it’s the immigration job not a state job. All this only amounts to prejudice.
So it's ok if the feds are prejudice?
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venusenvy: Its time for the American Gov. to re-work legislation and create a realistic guest worker/immigration policy. There are many ex-pats that live in Mexico. As well as many immigrants/ seasonal workers in Canada. Neither counrty seems to be having the problems America is having, yet they both face the same issue...Bad laws make outlaws of good people.
What the American public does not know, or realize, is exactly what goes on during the legal immigration process. I can almost bet that, the majority of those crying that we should give amnesty have never dealt with the process, or paid for the fees associated with legal immigation. An immigration bureaucracy completely out of site, and out of the thoughts of any American, just has Ted Kennedy had it written when his brother was president. While we continuously have added to the scam legislation, the ones writing its rules, and regulations behind closed doors have built in rules that funnels money directly to a secured, and secretive voting block, and foreign investments. If you have never had the occasion to visit an overseas embassy, visa approval agency, you have missed out on an easy way for individuals to make money on the side. You ever wonder why those in America employing, or housing illegals do not take it on their own to have them become legal residents carrying a green card. Think well over $10,000 per individual, add their children and your pushing $20,000. When was the last time you heard about the fees collected from the immigration office of those applying for visa's. This is an industry that excapes the checks, and balances required by the American public, and the wrote its rules, and regs to insure you never knew.
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moonmana1: Why not just open up the borders with Mexcio?
Free trade and free living? Free to cross in either direction.
Free trade and free living? Free to cross in either direction.
Would that mean I could have a few young house-maids ?
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jvaski: Would that mean I could have a few young house-maids ?
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Abram: What the American public does not know, or realize, is exactly what goes on during the legal immigration process. I can almost bet that, the majority of those crying that we should give amnesty have never dealt with the process, or paid for the fees associated with legal immigation. An immigration bureaucracy completely out of site, and out of the thoughts of any American, just has Ted Kennedy had it written when his brother was president. While we continuously have added to the scam legislation, the ones writing its rules, and regulations behind closed doors have built in rules that funnels money directly to a secured, and secretive voting block, and foreign investments. If you have never had the occasion to visit an overseas embassy, visa approval agency, you have missed out on an easy way for individuals to make money on the side.
You ever wonder why those in America employing, or housing illegals do not take it on their own to have them become legal residents carrying a green card. Think well over $10,000 per individual, add their children and your pushing $20,000. When was the last time you heard about the fees collected from the immigration office of those applying for visa's. This is an industry that excapes the checks, and balances required by the American public, and the wrote its rules, and regs to insure you never knew.
You ever wonder why those in America employing, or housing illegals do not take it on their own to have them become legal residents carrying a green card. Think well over $10,000 per individual, add their children and your pushing $20,000. When was the last time you heard about the fees collected from the immigration office of those applying for visa's. This is an industry that excapes the checks, and balances required by the American public, and the wrote its rules, and regs to insure you never knew.
No problem with changing the process. Agree it has to be reasonable.With technology it should be a fast process.
As for the money it costs, you are informing me on things I am sure most Americans do not realize.
Have said it before in this thread.. The Government is corrupt
People running it that do not even have experience running a small business... Congress is a huge part of the problen with the U.S.A.
Do not have any problem with the Mexican immigrants being here.
Just cannot be open borders.
Make the process reasonable for immigrants to come..
LEGALLY
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moonmana1: No problem with changing the process. Agree it has to be reasonable.With technology it should be a fast process.
As for the money it costs, you are informing me on things I am sure most Americans do not realize.
Have said it before in this thread.. The Government is corrupt
People running it that do not even have experience running a small business... Congress is a huge part of the problen with the U.S.A.
Do not have any problem with the Mexican immigrants being here.
Just cannot be open borders.
Make the process reasonable for immigrants to come..
LEGALLY
It is IMO....if done correctly ,around $2000.00 give or take traveling expenses.....As for the money it costs, you are informing me on things I am sure most Americans do not realize.
Have said it before in this thread.. The Government is corrupt
People running it that do not even have experience running a small business... Congress is a huge part of the problen with the U.S.A.
Do not have any problem with the Mexican immigrants being here.
Just cannot be open borders.
Make the process reasonable for immigrants to come..
LEGALLY
If you are refused it is for a reason.....but it is not right for someone to be here illegally for say a couple years and then think you will be allowed to immigrate....do it right...
I cannot go to the fair, ride the rides for a few hours then decide I should pay admission.....
The fees are in fact application fees and are not refundable ,may things work this way ,not just this
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. A true American Libertarian
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jvaski: Sheriff Joe is arrogant and will end up in jail sharing a cell with the hispanics he arrested .........
And, the Supreme Court traditionally rules in the Fed's favor.
They're not gonna let states decide what they unilatrally want to do and allow chaos .
Again, sorry if it inconveniences you
And, the Supreme Court traditionally rules in the Fed's favor.
They're not gonna let states decide what they unilatrally want to do and allow chaos .
Again, sorry if it inconveniences you
and you are NARCISSISTIC and SELF-CENTERED and should end up in jail sharing a cell with the hispanics he arrested .
The only chaos is the one in your head.
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Maybe this would work....
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Under State Law.
There are 18 more states considering doing the same law.
Feds won't do their job. States will figure out away around the Feds. The law is the law. We actually don't need more laws. Just enforce the ones already on the books.
And I disagree. When it goes to the Supreme Court. They will side with Arizona. The Obama administration will not be able to put pressure on the Supreme Court to side with their view.
It will have to side with the legalities of the law, and how it is written. They will decide with Arizona.
Sheriff Joe is arrogant and will end up in jail sharing a cell with the hispanics he arrested .........
And, the Supreme Court traditionally rules in the Fed's favor.
They're not gonna let states decide what they unilatrally want to do and allow chaos .
Again, sorry if it inconveniences you