Obama and Illegal Immigration (270)
I am puzzled, the OP seems to be suggesting that these "Aliens" are all criminals and that if they were removed there would be no crime in the cities or states mentioned in his post.
A highly dubious statement in my opinion
A highly dubious statement in my opinion
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TRPA has certainly "fixed" all the property owners in the Tahoe Basin..
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moonmana1: 3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.
The money they pay in to the system, does not even come close to the costs that the Government incurs to have them here.
read the beginnig of the post.. explains the reasoning.
And the illegal workers using a fake SS number. The cost of being illegal I guess.
The money they pay in to the system, does not even come close to the costs that the Government incurs to have them here.
read the beginnig of the post.. explains the reasoning.
And the illegal workers using a fake SS number. The cost of being illegal I guess.
Right... my point was the money goes in but it doesn't come out. I am not sure about the cost of having them here. I know I work at a health department and we serve a LOT of hispanic pregnant women. The people who work here complain about it however they seem to miss the fact that if they were not here to be served they would no longer have jobs. The money that goes to pay for healthcare, education, etc goes to SALARIES of AMERICANS who depend on that money for survival and contribute it back into the economy.
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moonmana1: Illegal immigrants are just that " ILLEGAL "
It is ruining the infrastructure of the U.S.A.... Hospitals, Education, Justice... etc
And the Obama "administration" is taking Arizona to court over the new (illegal immigration law) it is implementing...........
Hell yea!
It is ruining the infrastructure of the U.S.A.... Hospitals, Education, Justice... etc
And the Obama "administration" is taking Arizona to court over the new (illegal immigration law) it is implementing...........
Hell yea!
Moon man I do agree with you in the issue that illegal immigrants must be held accountable for that, being in USA or Mexico or Italy or Germany, etc..BUT they must be treated with respect for their lifes and their dignity.
I am pasting a part of a document about Mexico economics and the Mex-USA trade for you to see that solutions to problems have to be good for both sides.
AH! and please you do not worry about the language if the American gov decides to make English as the only language spoken believe me we Mexicans will speak it, as well as the people form many other cultures in the States.
"ECONOMY
Mexico’s economy is highly dependent on exporting to the U.S., which represents more than a quarter of the country's GDP. The result is that the Mexican economy is strongly linked to the U.S. business cycle, and has suffered from the economic slowdown in the United States. ....
Mexico's trade regime is among the most open in the world, with free trade agreements with the U.S., Canada, the EU, and many other countries (44 total). Since the 1994 devaluation of the peso, successive Mexican governments have improved the country's macroeconomic fundamentals.
......
In spite of its macro stability, Mexico is experiencing an increase in income inequality, and job creation continues to lag dramatically behind demand.
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Mexico is also a major recipient of remittances, sent mostly from the U.S. Remittances average around U.S. $21 billion per year, and are the country’s second-largest source of foreign currency, after oil........
Trade
The United States was the destination for about 80% of Mexico’s exports in 2009. Top Mexican exports to the U.S. include petroleum, cars, and electronic equipment. There is considerable intra-company trade. Top U.S. exports to Mexico include electronic equipment, motor vehicle parts, and chemicals. Mexico is the second-largest export market for the United States.
Mexico is an active and constructive member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), the G-20, and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The Mexican Government and many businesses support a Free Trade Area of the Americas.
Oil and Gas
In 2009, Mexico was the world's seventh-largest producer of crude oil, and the second-largest supplier of oil to the U.S. Oil and gas revenues provided more than one-third of all Mexican Government revenues and are the country’s largest source of foreign currency."
(from the US Department of State)
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bittersweet28467: I have seen those too but I would say they are the minority not the majority. I don't think they would continue to stay here if they weren't able to make a better living here.
Doing it illegally is not the right way. Most will agree immigrants are what this country is made of. When we assimilate.
Would you want this country to be more like Mexico?
Cross the border there illegally and you will end up with 2 years in prison.
Let them come, make the process easier.. But it has to be done legally. The USA will collapse from within if there are no limits to the amount of immigrants we can handle every year.
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Moonman
Just out of curiosity How many languages do you speak?
Just out of curiosity How many languages do you speak?
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bittersweet28467: I have seen those too but I would say they are the minority not the majority. I don't think they would continue to stay here if they weren't able to make a better living here.
They live in places like that to save money. The more they save....the more they can send out of country. Or if they are in cities....the will 'mass' a place....10-15 living in the same house.
No. They have a choice to live better....but are choosing to live squalid to save money to send out of country.
It is noble to work and live in manner that allows you give to your family. I will admit that. But it is not to any healthy standard. The frequent emergency room visits show that. The frequent 911 calls to violence.
And this kind of living will never let them be in the mainstream American community.
Without the language skills they are subject to every con game played in the country. They assume to have rights not granted. One I read....said..."I believe, I have a right to be here."
I am asking self....were is that right granted in the Constitution? And what about the right of the person that legally immigrated to the Country? Do we just trash our legal immigration programs? So she can have her right to be here?
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bittersweet28467: Right... my point was the money goes in but it doesn't come out. I am not sure about the cost of having them here. I know I work at a health department and we serve a LOT of hispanic pregnant women. The people who work here complain about it however they seem to miss the fact that if they were not here to be served they would no longer have jobs. The money that goes to pay for healthcare, education, etc goes to SALARIES of AMERICANS who depend on that money for survival and contribute it back into the economy.
There are many things to take into consideration that are spoken about.. What you post are but a few.
The guy in my profile pic is from Hermosillo, here legally, owns a Mexican Food Distributing company. His business has suffered greatly, he may have to close the doors and move back. Our government required him to invest $250,000.00 in order to come here & start a business and they gave him a 5 year work permit.
His 9 year old son is an honor student, and one of the most polite & lovable kids I have ever seen. His wife is a Yoga Instructor and has 2 studios here in the PHX area.
Hanging with my wonderful friend has open my eyes to the big picture regarding immigration. Naturally many are criminals (just like many citizens), but many are simply very hard working human beings that have a natural desire to make a better life for their families.
Immigration is not the problem, GOVERNMENT is the problem..
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lifeisadream: Moon man I do agree with you in the issue that illegal immigrants must be held accountable for that, being in USA or Mexico or Italy or Germany, etc..BUT they must be treated with respect for their lifes and their dignity.
I am pasting a part of a document about Mexico economics and the Mex-USA trade for you to see that solutions to problems have to be good for both sides.
AH! and please you do not worry about the language if the American gov decides to make English as the only language spoken believe me we Mexicans will speak it, as well as the people form many other cultures in the States.
"ECONOMY
Mexico’s economy is highly dependent on exporting to the U.S., which represents more than a quarter of the country's GDP. The result is that the Mexican economy is strongly linked to the U.S. business cycle, and has suffered from the economic slowdown in the United States. ....
Mexico's trade regime is among the most open in the world, with free trade agreements with the U.S., Canada, the EU, and many other countries (44 total). Since the 1994 devaluation of the peso, successive Mexican governments have improved the country's macroeconomic fundamentals.
......
In spite of its macro stability, Mexico is experiencing an increase in income inequality, and job creation continues to lag dramatically behind demand.
........
Mexico is also a major recipient of remittances, sent mostly from the U.S. Remittances average around U.S. $21 billion per year, and are the country’s second-largest source of foreign currency, after oil........
Trade
The United States was the destination for about 80% of Mexico’s exports in 2009. Top Mexican exports to the U.S. include petroleum, cars, and electronic equipment. There is considerable intra-company trade. Top U.S. exports to Mexico include electronic equipment, motor vehicle parts, and chemicals. Mexico is the second-largest export market for the United States.
Mexico is an active and constructive member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), the G-20, and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The Mexican Government and many businesses support a Free Trade Area of the Americas.
Oil and Gas
In 2009, Mexico was the world's seventh-largest producer of crude oil, and the second-largest supplier of oil to the U.S. Oil and gas revenues provided more than one-third of all Mexican Government revenues and are the country’s largest source of foreign currency."
(from the US Department of State)
I am pasting a part of a document about Mexico economics and the Mex-USA trade for you to see that solutions to problems have to be good for both sides.
AH! and please you do not worry about the language if the American gov decides to make English as the only language spoken believe me we Mexicans will speak it, as well as the people form many other cultures in the States.
"ECONOMY
Mexico’s economy is highly dependent on exporting to the U.S., which represents more than a quarter of the country's GDP. The result is that the Mexican economy is strongly linked to the U.S. business cycle, and has suffered from the economic slowdown in the United States. ....
Mexico's trade regime is among the most open in the world, with free trade agreements with the U.S., Canada, the EU, and many other countries (44 total). Since the 1994 devaluation of the peso, successive Mexican governments have improved the country's macroeconomic fundamentals.
......
In spite of its macro stability, Mexico is experiencing an increase in income inequality, and job creation continues to lag dramatically behind demand.
........
Mexico is also a major recipient of remittances, sent mostly from the U.S. Remittances average around U.S. $21 billion per year, and are the country’s second-largest source of foreign currency, after oil........
Trade
The United States was the destination for about 80% of Mexico’s exports in 2009. Top Mexican exports to the U.S. include petroleum, cars, and electronic equipment. There is considerable intra-company trade. Top U.S. exports to Mexico include electronic equipment, motor vehicle parts, and chemicals. Mexico is the second-largest export market for the United States.
Mexico is an active and constructive member of the World Trade Organization (WTO), the G-20, and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD). The Mexican Government and many businesses support a Free Trade Area of the Americas.
Oil and Gas
In 2009, Mexico was the world's seventh-largest producer of crude oil, and the second-largest supplier of oil to the U.S. Oil and gas revenues provided more than one-third of all Mexican Government revenues and are the country’s largest source of foreign currency."
(from the US Department of State)
Agreed
We all should be treated with respect, even if you are here illegally and not breaking the law in may other manner.. drugs,crime etc...
Both countries need each other, people are important. And it is very important in the U.S.A. to assimilate. This is what makes America so great.
But you can't break the law and expect the benefits. Legally and with order is how it has to be done.. In today's world we have to know who crossing "OUR " borders.
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And we say Mexican government is corrupt..
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lifeisadream: Moonman
Just out of curiosity How many languages do you speak?
Just out of curiosity How many languages do you speak?
In all honesty just one..
I do respect what coming to another country entails..
Admittedly if i were to go to another country, I would learn the language.. At least well enough to survive.
Have not had a reason to be bilingual.. during my childhood it was not common practice to learn another language.. Something I will have to learn in the near future.
I see great potential for my business, if I take the time to learn.
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jvaski: More Republican delusional paranoia and prejudice ....
In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested.
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HJFinAZ: And we say Mexican government is corrupt..
Do you??
I belong to 2 civic groups and one of them is an "oposition" one for the gov in case there is a need for that and this year we had elections for governor so when asking for the profiles of his team we got into a bizarre argument about asking for honesty
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No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our over-crowded schools would lose more than two million
illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.
illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.
We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.
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ProperMan: i agree with the fact that illegals cause problems with everything including the economy, it is happening right here in my country, people dont realize that when illegals work for money the hard cash goes to their country and not circulate in the country they are in, leaving your economy hurt, then they rely on all the services that are implemented for the tax payers, causing a strain on resources. i have more but i will leave it for another time.
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moonmana1: ..I see great potential for my business, if I take the time to learn.
As of 2010, 329 to 358 million people speak Spanish as a native language and a total of 417 million people speak it worldwide.
Spanish is the second most natively spoken language in the world, after Mandarin Chinese. Mexico contains the largest population of Spanish speakers. Spanish is one of the six official languages of the United Nations. Wikipedia
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ProperMan: i agree with the fact that illegals cause problems with everything including the economy, it is happening right here in my country, people dont realize that when illegals work for money the hard cash goes to their country and not circulate in the country they are in, leaving your economy hurt, then they rely on all the services that are implemented for the tax payers, causing a strain on resources. i have more but i will leave it for another time.
thumbs up Yep,seen what it does to the Islands from North to South,firsthand!
This is my whole argument... If you destroy the infrastructure of the USA, you destroy the economy. You cannot put more strain on the system than it can bear. It will be destroyed form within.
Our greedy government is already top heavy.
thumbs up Yep,seen what it does to the Islands from North to South,firsthand!
This is my whole argument... If you destroy the infrastructure of the USA, you destroy the economy. You cannot put more strain on the system than it can bear. It will be destroyed form within.
Our greedy government is already top heavy.
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lifeisadream: As of 2010, 329 to 358 million people speak Spanish as a native language and a total of 417 million people speak it worldwide.
Spanish is the second most natively spoken language in the world, after Mandarin Chinese. Mexico contains the largest population of Spanish speakers. Spanish is one of the six official languages of the United Nations. Wikipedia
Spanish is the second most natively spoken language in the world, after Mandarin Chinese. Mexico contains the largest population of Spanish speakers. Spanish is one of the six official languages of the United Nations. Wikipedia
KNow I have lots to lose by not learning Spanish.
My daughter can speak it, and my son is learning it.
Also need to learn to write it.
Again I do respect the work it takes going to a new country.
Just needs to be done right or everyone loses.
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moonmana1: ProperMan: i agree with the fact that illegals cause problems with everything including the economy, it is happening right here in my country, people dont realize that when illegals work for money the hard cash goes to their country and not circulate in the country they are in, leaving your economy hurt, then they rely on all the services that are implemented for the tax payers, causing a strain on resources. i have more but i will leave it for another time.thumbs up Yep,seen what it does to the Islands from North to South,firsthand!
This is my whole argument... If you destroy the infrastructure of the USA, you destroy the economy. You cannot put more strain on the system than it can bear. It will be destroyed form within.
Our greedy government is already top heavy.
This is my whole argument... If you destroy the infrastructure of the USA, you destroy the economy. You cannot put more strain on the system than it can bear. It will be destroyed form within.
Our greedy government is already top heavy.
without any cause including the migrants,the us's economy shown us it's limits.and that problkems were exported to the other countries.
so,it means we had a "migrant financial crash!!"
the economy is made to serve the peoples,but the peoples must not serve or die for the economy.
will the economy be the next century's religion?
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fixing or destroying it?