Obama and Illegal Immigration ( Archived) (270)

Jul 27, 2010 9:56 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
moonmana1
moonmana1moonmana1Wyoming, Minnesota USA3 Threads 364 Posts
Illegal immigrants are just that " ILLEGAL "
It is ruining the infrastructure of the U.S.A.... Hospitals, Education, Justice... etc
And the Obama "administration" is taking Arizona to court over the new (illegal immigration law) it is implementing.

Now here is a thought:

What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
I, journalist for News wrote a column ----led,

"Mexican Visitor's Lament"

I interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week.

Hernandez said, "illegal aliens pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes.

What Happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?"

Hummm, I thought, what would happen, so I did my due diligence, buried my nose as a reporter into the FACTS I found below.

It's a good question it deserves an honest answer. Over 80% of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped. But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America? The answers I found may surprise you!

In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested.

Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents,rapes and other crimes by illegals.

Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67% drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages.
At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

Denver's 8.5% unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America,the rule of law, and English.

In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools,prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage.

Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our over-crowded schools would lose more than two million
illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock.

Cleaner air and you fill in the blank ........? Logicical?
Hell yea!
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Jul 27, 2010 10:00 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
More Republican delusional paranoia and prejudice ....dunno
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Jul 27, 2010 10:02 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
Why do Republicans always feel they need someone to beat-up on ?......now it's illegals since they have been unsuccessful beating-up Democrats ........dunno
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Jul 27, 2010 10:06 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
moonmana1
moonmana1moonmana1Wyoming, Minnesota USA3 Threads 364 Posts
jvaski: More Republican delusional paranoia and prejudice ....


And how is it prejudice to obey the law?
This is why an Emergency room visit is so costly. Our school systems are overwhelmed. To may people not paying into the system, and it is broke, with corrupt politicians running it. help

comfort
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Jul 27, 2010 10:07 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
Why do liberals always feel they need to play God & save the world??confused


rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 27, 2010 10:09 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
I think the next time I go to Lake Taco Tahoegrin and sit down at the $100.00 table, liberal dealers should allow me to win, and win, and win, and win..yay
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Jul 27, 2010 10:09 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
bittersweet28467
bittersweet28467bittersweet28467Calabash, North Carolina USA18 Threads 2 Polls 467 Posts
All except for two problems well make that 3

1. The people who have lived here since they were children and have no place to "go back to" in Mexico or whatever country they are from (as many latin immigrants are actually from central america and assumed to be mexican because they are brown)

2. The people who were born here but their parents are not citizens.

3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.

What would you do if you were mexican, central american, etc. and you saw a better life for your family and children just down the road?

People liked them when they were coming here to do jobs no one wanted, then when they started taking the good jobs and doing good work for less money people started getting upset.

It's a complicated situation. I wish that we could just have one world and have the same standards for every country but unfortunately it's not that way.
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Jul 27, 2010 10:09 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
moonmana1
moonmana1moonmana1Wyoming, Minnesota USA3 Threads 364 Posts
jvaski: Why do Republicans always feel they need someone to beat-up on ?......now it's illegals since they have been unsuccessful beating-up Democrats ........


Elections are not that far away for Congress.. We will see.
Would not gloat yet if I were you.
Now here is a reason for term limits. Corruption in politics.Gotta fix the system and vote many of these idiots out. BOTH sides of the aisle. professor
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Jul 27, 2010 10:10 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
jvaski: Why do Republicans always feel they need someone to beat-up on ?......now it's illegals since they have been unsuccessful beating-up Democrats ........



She got some points, John.....you live in CA....you could not do with the billions saved? CA is running on financial fumes at present.
Why pay for illegal?
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Jul 27, 2010 10:10 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
sebomaster
sebomastersebomasterverviers, Liege Belgium3 Threads 184 Posts
HJFinAZ: Why do liberals always feel they need to play God & save the world??
thumbs up
coz it serves their plans ;)
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Jul 27, 2010 10:12 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
sebomaster
sebomastersebomasterverviers, Liege Belgium3 Threads 184 Posts
bittersweet28467: All except for two problems well make that 3

1. The people who have lived here since they were children and have no place to "go back to" in Mexico or whatever country they are from (as many latin immigrants are actually from central america and assumed to be mexican because they are brown)

2. The people who were born here but their parents are not citizens.

3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.

What would you do if you were mexican, central american, etc. and you saw a better life for your family and children just down the road?

People liked them when they were coming here to do jobs no one wanted, then when they started taking the good jobs and doing good work for less money people started getting upset.

It's a complicated situation. I wish that we could just have one world and have the same standards for every country but unfortunately it's not that way.
thumbs up i totally agree
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Jul 27, 2010 10:13 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
moonmana1
moonmana1moonmana1Wyoming, Minnesota USA3 Threads 364 Posts
bittersweet28467: All except for two problems well make that 3

1. The people who have lived here since they were children and have no place to "go back to" in Mexico or whatever country they are from (as many latin immigrants are actually from central america and assumed to be mexican because they are brown)

2. The people who were born here but their parents are not citizens.

3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.

What would you do if you were mexican, central american, etc. and you saw a better life for your family and children just down the road?

People liked them when they were coming here to do jobs no one wanted, then when they started taking the good jobs and doing good work for less money people started getting upset.

It's a complicated situation. I wish that we could just have one world and have the same standards for every country but unfortunately it's not that way.



"
What would you do if you were mexican, central american, etc. and you saw a better life for your family and children just down the road? "

LEGALLY enter the country... Can this system be more expedient, yes.. This should be fixed.. But do it legally.
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Jul 27, 2010 10:15 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
moonmana1: And how is it prejudice to obey the law?
This is why an Emergency room visit is so costly. Our school systems are overwhelmed. To may people not paying into the system, and it is broke, with corrupt politicians running it.


It's only important Right Now - so Republicans can draw attention to themselves before Nov with attempt to show that they controlled something ( Imigration )
doh

I some parts of the US , a lot of our Emergency rooms are overwhelmed because our "USA citizens" are broke and can't afford health insurance. Health care is too expensive for ALL of us .........not just Illegals scold
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Jul 27, 2010 10:16 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
HJFinAZ
HJFinAZHJFinAZSun CIty, Arizona USA870 Threads 1 Polls 17,068 Posts
bittersweet28467: All except for two problems well make that 3

1. The people who have lived here since they were children and have no place to "go back to" in Mexico or whatever country they are from (as many latin immigrants are actually from central america and assumed to be mexican because they are brown)

2. The people who were born here but their parents are not citizens.

3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.

What would you do if you were mexican, central american, etc. and you saw a better life for your family and children just down the road?

People liked them when they were coming here to do jobs no one wanted, then when they started taking the good jobs and doing good work for less money people started getting upset.

It's a complicated situation. I wish that we could just have one world and have the same standards for every country but unfortunately it's not that way.


There are alway6s consequences for the "choices" we make.
wink Sometimes those consequences effect others..uh oh
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Jul 27, 2010 10:16 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
jvaski
jvaskijvaskiunknown, California USA115 Threads 11 Polls 9,576 Posts
HJFinAZ: Why do liberals always feel they need to play God & save the world??


WE ARE slowly fixing the world Pat ! OUR WAY ! wink
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Jul 27, 2010 10:18 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
moonmana1
moonmana1moonmana1Wyoming, Minnesota USA3 Threads 364 Posts
3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.



The money they pay in to the system, does not even come close to the costs that the Government incurs to have them here.
read the beginnig of the post.. explains the reasoning.

And the illegal workers using a fake SS number. The cost of being illegal I guess.
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Jul 27, 2010 10:20 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
bittersweet28467: All except for two problems well make that 3

1. The people who have lived here since they were children and have no place to "go back to" in Mexico or whatever country they are from (as many latin immigrants are actually from central america and assumed to be mexican because they are brown)

2. The people who were born here but their parents are not citizens.

3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.

What would you do if you were mexican, central american, etc. and you saw a better life for your family and children just down the road?

People liked them when they were coming here to do jobs no one wanted, then when they started taking the good jobs and doing good work for less money people started getting upset.

It's a complicated situation. I wish that we could just have one world and have the same standards for every country but unfortunately it's not that way.


I have seen how illegal live here in the US....both in Florida and California. It is not living a dramatically better life than what they had in Mexico or Central America.

Here in Florida they lived in old concrete block row buildings...build in the 50 and 60s.Single room apartment for fruit pickers. One family or more to a room.

Each door way had a fan....blowing in air.So no AC. They had a common shared sinks for fixing food.

You don't see these places in the cities. And in rural America, no small town or city would let them stand. But out in remote area, were there are few around....these old worker buildings still stand and are used.
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Jul 27, 2010 10:22 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
jvaski: WE ARE slowly fixing the world Pat ! OUR WAY !


That is a reassuring thought.....
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Jul 27, 2010 10:23 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
bittersweet28467
bittersweet28467bittersweet28467Calabash, North Carolina USA18 Threads 2 Polls 467 Posts
I have seen those too but I would say they are the minority not the majority. I don't think they would continue to stay here if they weren't able to make a better living here.
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Jul 27, 2010 10:25 AM CST Obama and Illegal Immigration
ProperMan
ProperManProperManBridgetown, Saint Michael Barbados1 Posts
i agree with the fact that illegals cause problems with everything including the economy, it is happening right here in my country, people dont realize that when illegals work for money the hard cash goes to their country and not circulate in the country they are in, leaving your economy hurt, then they rely on all the services that are implemented for the tax payers, causing a strain on resources. i have more but i will leave it for another time.
moonmana1: 3. The people who do work, their income taxes collected and then never returned because they are using some other SSN to work under. All that tax money just sits there, FICA, unemployment and will never ever be collected by the worker. Plus those people contribute to the economy as described earlier.
The money they pay in to the system, does not even come close to the costs that the Government incurs to have them here.
read the beginnig of the post.. explains the reasoning.

And the illegal workers using a fake SS number. The cost of being illegal I guess.
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