COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ? ( Archived) (480)

Sep 14, 2010 2:36 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Boban1: Well , the United States have one of the worst health insures and your economy is short some ... 13 trillion dollars



1) worst health insurance? based on what?

2) I have the 13 trillion hidden away in a little lockbox. grin
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Sep 14, 2010 2:39 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bulll
BulllBulllRoosendaal, North Brabant Netherlands1 Threads 58 Posts
WhatUwish4: Compared to Obama?


Did you know that Bush's popularity rating AT THIS MOMENT is higher than Obama's? He may have made mistakes, but nothing...NOTHING..is as bad as what Obama has done.


Yes taking care of the needy of the society, with his health care program and not going to war like Bush, to get the economy going.
Yes Obama sucks, but i tought you didnt like violence ?thumbs down
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Sep 14, 2010 2:40 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Bulll: you think that Bush did a better job ?


Neither Bush nor Obama nor any other president ever had the least iota of control over the economy.

If ever a president dared to do anything the banking industry didn't want, he wouldn't live another day.

Like the original Rothschild once said. "Give me control over a nation's currency and I don't care who you put in the presidency."
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Sep 14, 2010 2:43 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Bulll: Yes taking care of the needy of the society, with his health care program and not going to war like Bush, to get the economy going.
Yes Obama sucks, but i tought you didnt like violence ?


You can't take care of anyone if you design a health care plan that falls on it's face. doh It's a disaster, don't you get it? It's not fiscally possible to do what he's proposing. Geesh!

And if Obama was such a peace dove, why aren't our boys home as he promised? Afghanistan, by the way, is HIS war.
scold
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Sep 14, 2010 2:46 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
WhatUwish4: You can't take care of anyone if you design a health care plan that falls on it's face. It's a disaster, don't you get it? It's not fiscally possible to do what he's proposing. Geesh!

And if Obama was such a peace dove, why aren't our boys home as he promised? Afghanistan, by the way, is HIS war.


thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up

It's good to see some people still have functional brains.
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Sep 14, 2010 2:50 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Bulll: WHICH SYSTEM WOULD BE THE BEST FOR HUMAN KIND, WE ALLREADY ARE EXPERIENCING KAPITALISIM WORLD WIDE, WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE A TASTE OF HOW COMMUNISME WORKS ?
IMAGINE-
HEALTH CARE, SPORTS, HOUSING, SCHOOL, RELIGION,
STRESS, INDIVUALITY, SOCIETY FORM OF LIVING,
WHAT DOES A HUMAN NEED TO SATISFISFIED ?


Communism is an ideal form of social organization for ants and bees. It's the worst form of social organization for people. Our competitive drive is what put us at the top of the food chain and, literally, the dominant species on this planet. Communism is like competition in reverse; a "race" to see who can run the slowest because those who do the least get the greatest reward in a society where all are rewarded equally. It doesn't take long before people realize that even moving off the starting line means you lose the race.

Oh sure, it would be wonderful if all things were free, but there's nothing in the world that's free. There's nothing the government can give to anyone that it didn't first have to take from someone else. Communism is a much, much greater social injustice than capitalism. With capitalism, you can strive to live the lifestyle you wish either working hard and making a lot of money or working the least possible and barely getting by. You weigh the options and make the choice. With capitalism, there are very, very wealthy people a huge middle class that lives very well and a small class of the very poor. Communism, in it's effort to enforce equality, assures that everyone is equally poor - except for the ruling class.

If you think communism is for you, Cuba is an excellent place to consider relocating.
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Sep 14, 2010 2:56 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bulll
BulllBulllRoosendaal, North Brabant Netherlands1 Threads 58 Posts
gardenhackle: Communism is an ideal form of social organization for ants and bees. It's the worst form of social organization for people. Our competitive drive is what put us at the top of the food chain and, literally, the dominant species on this planet. Communism is like competition in reverse; a "race" to see who can run the slowest because those who do the least get the greatest reward in a society where all are rewarded equally. It doesn't take long before people realize that even moving off the starting line means you lose the race.

Oh sure, it would be wonderful if all things were free, but there's nothing in the world that's free. There's nothing the government can give to anyone that it didn't first have to take from someone else. Communism is a much, much greater social injustice than capitalism. With capitalism, you can strive to live the lifestyle you wish either working hard and making a lot of money or working the least possible and barely getting by. You weigh the options and make the choice. With capitalism, there are very, very wealthy people a huge middle class that lives very well and a small class of the very poor. Communism, in it's effort to enforce equality, assures that everyone is equally poor - except for the ruling class.

If you think communism is for you, Cuba is an excellent place to consider relocating.


Been there 3 times, when was the last time you went there ?
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Sep 14, 2010 2:56 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Bulll: Yes taking care of the needy of the society, with his health care program and not going to war like Bush, to get the economy going.
Yes Obama sucks, but i tought you didnt like violence ?


There ain't no free lunch. Money has to come from somewhere.

Is Obama robbing the rich to help the poor????
No way!!!!
His 2 huge monetary actions, the "bailout" and the "stimulus" were both giveaways to the richest of the rich.

Obama is robbing the poor to pay the rich.


So what is Obama-care going to do for the poor?

It's going to compel them to buy into socialized medicine.
They will be taxed directly from their income, (very heavily) and they will get whatever care the system decides to give them.

Believe me, once you experience government healthcare you will regret the change. There is a big difference of what happens when the doctors and hospitals work for the state, as opposed to working for their patients.
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Sep 14, 2010 2:58 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
deadbutwhy
deadbutwhydeadbutwhyeast, Eastern Province Saudi Arabia9 Threads 2 Polls 1,295 Posts
gardenhackle: Communism is an ideal form of social organization for ants and bees. It's the worst form of social organization for people. Our competitive drive is what put us at the top of the food chain and, literally, the dominant species on this planet. Communism is like competition in reverse; a "race" to see who can run the slowest because those who do the least get the greatest reward in a society where all are rewarded equally. It doesn't take long before people realize that even moving off the starting line means you lose the race.

Oh sure, it would be wonderful if all things were free, but there's nothing in the world that's free. There's nothing the government can give to anyone that it didn't first have to take from someone else. Communism is a much, much greater social injustice than capitalism. With capitalism, you can strive to live the lifestyle you wish either working hard and making a lot of money or working the least possible and barely getting by. You weigh the options and make the choice. With capitalism, there are very, very wealthy people a huge middle class that lives very well and a small class of the very poor. Communism, in it's effort to enforce equality, assures that everyone is equally poor - except for the ruling class.

If you think communism is for you, Cuba is an excellent place to consider relocating.
A very simplistic answer. blues
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Sep 14, 2010 3:00 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
lifeatthebeach
lifeatthebeachlifeatthebeachOcean View, Delaware USA105 Posts
WhatUwish4: Now Now..Beach...Tell us how you really feel.


On second thought...


If I tell how I REALLY feel... bye bye c/s
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Sep 14, 2010 3:01 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
lifeatthebeach
lifeatthebeachlifeatthebeachOcean View, Delaware USA105 Posts
deadbutwhy: Thanks


I researched my info on wikipedia.org
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Sep 14, 2010 3:02 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bulll
BulllBulllRoosendaal, North Brabant Netherlands1 Threads 58 Posts
WhatUwish4: You can't take care of anyone if you design a health care plan that falls on it's face. It's a disaster, don't you get it? It's not fiscally possible to do what he's proposing. Geesh!

And if Obama was such a peace dove, why aren't our boys home as he promised? Afghanistan, by the way, is HIS war.


Hey im not protecting him, he is your men, he might do a wrong job, as he also does, but better him, then Bush.
If you see there is no saving the budget if you dont go to war
that is a hard decision to make.
Then you are in a though situation as Barack
The system will collapse.wine
Finally someone human.
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Sep 14, 2010 3:02 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
gardenhackle:

With capitalism, there are very, very wealthy people a huge middle class that lives very well and a small class of the very poor.


Not necessarily. There are capitalist countries with a small wealthy class, almost no middle class at all and a lot of poor.

Capitalism can be every bit as evil and cruel as the communists claim it to be.

The spiritual values of the nation make all the difference.
Without them, no economic system is going to fix things.
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Sep 14, 2010 3:04 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
deadbutwhy
deadbutwhydeadbutwhyeast, Eastern Province Saudi Arabia9 Threads 2 Polls 1,295 Posts
lifeatthebeach: I researched my info on wikipedia.org
Are you a comedian by any chance? laugh laugh Well, give me the link then.
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Sep 14, 2010 5:19 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
So far to my way of thinking, the USA government,is a Capitalistic one,unless has change lately,and i have not noticed. Of cource is the capitalistic government responsibility to help the poor,and not the corporations.-wave
WhatUwish4: Again...this is the government's job, not the corporation. Doesn't matter which government you speak of, it's still their job.
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Sep 14, 2010 5:49 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
So the poor American people can see,that they are not the sharks,everybody thinks they are.-After all you have said "some of them they have "heart", have they??? seeing their poor fellow Americans,living under appalling conditions,what happened to compassion towards the needy human beeings???.If the government helps up to a point, but is not enough, don't you think is our obligations towards our fellow human beeings to help them?? Are we heartless as societies,or our societies, have adopted the rule ""survival of the fittest"" ???.-wave
WhatUwish4: Why should they give up their bonuses when the company as a whole already donates?
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Sep 14, 2010 5:56 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Correction nearly 20 trillion with the last estimates.-wave
Boban1: Well , the United States have one of the worst health insures and your economy is short some ... 13 trillion dollars
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Sep 14, 2010 6:02 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
RayfromUSA: Not necessarily. There are capitalist countries with a small wealthy class, almost no middle class at all and a lot of poor.

Capitalism can be every bit as evil and cruel as the communists claim it to be.

The spiritual values of the nation make all the difference.
Without them, no economic system is going to fix things.


Absolutely. The system can be a wonderful design, but without work ethic, order and values it doesn't matter how sound the theory is.
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Sep 14, 2010 6:03 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
chris27292729: So the poor American people can see,that they are not the sharks,everybody thinks they are.-After all you have said "some of them they have "heart", have they??? seeing their poor fellow Americans,living under appalling conditions,what happened to compassion towards the needy human beeings???.If the government helps up to a point, but is not enough, don't you think is our obligations towards our fellow human beeings to help them?? Are we heartless as societies,or our societies, have adopted the rule ""survival of the fittest"" ???.-


Let me just list a few of the top companies and how much they gave away in charitible gifts in 2009...Maybe then you will see what I'm talking about.

Walmart...$288,091,839.00
AT&T ...$239,998,646.00
Bank of America...$209,116,567.00
Wells Fargo...$202,014,244.00
Exxon...$187,121,560.00
Johnson & Johnson...$175,926,000.00
Chevron...$145,300,000.00
General Electric...$138,786,000.00
Target...$133,941,813.00
Microsoft...$113,000,000.00

This is ONE year, Chris...and yes, those are millions$$$$$$$.

Here is the link to the rest.
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Sep 14, 2010 6:07 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Bulll: Been there 3 times, when was the last time you went there ?


My family still lives there, so what's your point and when are you going to move instead of just going to vacation. You can't experience all the benefits of communism as a tourist, you know.
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