COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ? ( Archived) (480)

Sep 14, 2010 8:36 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
WhatUwish4: Hey Otto.

Pigs are the greatest. You should have one just for the joy of having them around. Such funny little characters.


So are chickens. grin
but really comparing government to a farmer is nonsense.
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Sep 14, 2010 8:36 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Shooter700
Shooter700Shooter700somewhere, Maryland USA20 Threads 276 Posts
agman: So are chickens.
but really comparing government to a farmer is nonsense.
rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 14, 2010 8:37 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
agman: So are chickens.
but really comparing government to a farmer is nonsense.


Why? It's just a simple analogy, not a comparison, but it makes a good point.
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Sep 14, 2010 8:37 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
poletite
poletitepoletiteBELGRADE, Central Serbia Serbia399 Posts
yes, but they also recognized comunistic illegal goverment as legitiment goverment of yougoslavia.thumbs down
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Sep 14, 2010 8:38 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
agman: So are chickens.
but really comparing government to a farmer is nonsense.


Unless, of course, you mean that farmers are much smarter than the government? No argument there! laugh laugh
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Sep 14, 2010 8:40 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
poletite: thats weird for me too, dont know why,but its truth that americans supported comunists in yougoslavia


Are you talking about Tito?
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Sep 14, 2010 8:40 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
poletite: yes, but they also recognized comunistic illegal goverment as legitiment goverment of yougoslavia.


I don't know Poletite, but I do know our government does some infuratingly strange things, so I am notdoubting you.
peace
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Sep 14, 2010 8:40 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
poletite
poletitepoletiteBELGRADE, Central Serbia Serbia399 Posts
yes talking about tito.
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Sep 14, 2010 8:43 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Nice analogy. Shame our Farmers sold most of our Pigs to China. Capitalism or Socilaism, both are useless if we continue to outsource every single worthwhile job to the far east or some sweatshop nation.



This sounds like capitalism. Selling pigs to China to profit
off the cheap labor. drinking
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Sep 14, 2010 8:46 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
poletite: yes talking about tito.


Well from the West's point of view, it was a choice between Tito or Stalin. For me, Tito was a step in the right direction away from Communism.
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Sep 14, 2010 8:47 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Shooter700
Shooter700Shooter700somewhere, Maryland USA20 Threads 276 Posts
agman: This sounds like capitalism. Selling pigs to China to profit
off the cheap labor.


The sad thing is that you get what you pay for.... Lead is not a preservative.
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Sep 14, 2010 8:49 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
agman: This sounds like capitalism. Selling pigs to China to profit
off the cheap labor.


If the government allows China, which has unbearbly low wages, to sell it's products in America....and then over-taxes and regulates American companies to the back teeth...how can American companies compete?
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Sep 14, 2010 8:51 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
agman: This sounds like capitalism. Selling pigs to China to profit
off the cheap labor.


Maybe, but that is the natural aim of business, to maximise profit. It's the governments job tob to maintain the balance between the interests of the nation and the interests of business.
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Sep 14, 2010 8:56 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
agman: This sounds like capitalism. Selling pigs to China to profit
off the cheap labor.


Question...

Otto has a nice working farm with two employees which the government says he has to pay a minimum wage of $10.00 apiece, plus health care, FICA, soc security and taxes.

The little Chinese guy next door is exactly the same, but he only has to pay his workers $1.00 and hour and no health care, etc.

You both bring your vegetables to your little stores, which are right next door to each other. You have to charge $2.00 for that corn in order to cover your costs and make a profit...but the little Chinese guy only has to charge 50 cents to cover his costs and make a profit.

Enter me...the consumer. I look at both stores and the corn is just as nice in one place as it is in the other.

Will I buy the $2.00 corn or the 50 cent corn?
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Sep 14, 2010 8:56 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing

I avoid food (including cat food) from China and some products
that sell cheaply. I read once that China sent a product to
Mexico that was used to make a mouthwash and ended up killing
a number of people.
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Sep 14, 2010 9:00 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
WhatUwish4: Question...

Otto has a nice working farm with two employees which the government says he has to pay a minimum wage of $10.00 apiece, plus health care, FICA, soc security and taxes.

The little Chinese guy next door is exactly the same, but he only has to pay his workers $1.00 and hour and no health care, etc.

You both bring your vegetables to your little stores, which are right next door to each other. You have to charge $2.00 for that corn in order to cover your costs and make a profit...but the little Chinese guy only has to charge 50 cents to cover his costs and make a profit.

Enter me...the consumer. I look at both stores and the corn is just as nice in one place as it is in the other.

Will I buy the $2.00 corn or the 50 cent corn?


You will buy mine corn cause it is sweeter and fresher. laugh
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Sep 14, 2010 9:01 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
WhatUwish4: Question...

Otto has a nice working farm with two employees which the government says he has to pay a minimum wage of $10.00 apiece, plus health care, FICA, soc security and taxes.

The little Chinese guy next door is exactly the same, but he only has to pay his workers $1.00 and hour and no health care, etc.

You both bring your vegetables to your little stores, which are right next door to each other. You have to charge $2.00 for that corn in order to cover your costs and make a profit...but the little Chinese guy only has to charge 50 cents to cover his costs and make a profit.

Enter me...the consumer. I look at both stores and the corn is just as nice in one place as it is in the other.

Will I buy the $2.00 corn or the 50 cent corn?


And the second question is...are you a "bad" person for charging so much for your vegetables, or is it the governments fault for putting you in this situation?
dunno
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Sep 14, 2010 9:08 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bar Stool Economics
(by David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia)


Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

* The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
* The fifth would pay $1.
* The sixth would pay $3.
* The seventh would pay $7.
* The eighth would pay $12.
* The ninth would pay $18.
* The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. “Since you are all such good customers,” he said, “I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.”
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’

They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay! And so…

* The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
* The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
* The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
* The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
* The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
* The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings.

“I only got a dollar out of the $20,” declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, “but he got $10!”

“Yeah, that’s right,” exclaimed the fifth man. “I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!”

“That’s true!” shouted the seventh man. “Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!”

“Wait a minute,” yelled the first four men in unison. “We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!” The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia popcorn
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Sep 14, 2010 9:10 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
WhatUwish4: Question...

Otto has a nice working farm with two employees which the government says he has to pay a minimum wage of $10.00 apiece, plus health care, FICA, soc security and taxes.

The little Chinese guy next door is exactly the same, but he only has to pay his workers $1.00 and hour and no health care, etc.

You both bring your vegetables to your little stores, which are right next door to each other. You have to charge $2.00 for that corn in order to cover your costs and make a profit...but the little Chinese guy only has to charge 50 cents to cover his costs and make a profit.

Enter me...the consumer. I look at both stores and the corn is just as nice in one place as it is in the other.

Will I buy the $2.00 corn or the 50 cent corn?


Is the government wrong for ensuring a living wage to its citizens? No

Is the government wrong to put those citizens into competition with cheap labour abroad? Yes
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Sep 14, 2010 9:11 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Is the government wrong for ensuring a living wage to its citizens? No

Is the government wrong to put those citizens into competition with cheap labour abroad? Yes


Exactly.
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