COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ? (480)
WhatUwish4: Hey
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WhatUwish4: How did we get from capitalism to war?
One of you "HOTTIES" started a fight...
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HJFinAZ: One of you "HOTTIES" started a fight...
I hope you wasn't talkin to me
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HJFinAZ: One of you "HOTTIES" started a fight...
Noooooo! No fighting!
Just a pretty interesting discussion for the most part. I've learned some things anyway. 
Better go though...My little nose pickers are done with their homework now.
Bye all. Have a great evening!
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WhatUwish4: Noooooo! No fighting! Just a pretty interesting discussion for the most part. I've learned some things anyway.
Better go though...My little nose pickers are done with their homework now.
Bye all. Have a great evening!
laterBetter go though...My little nose pickers are done with their homework now.
Bye all. Have a great evening!
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loverboy690: I hope you wasn't talkin to me
No, yankin Wish's chain..
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HJFinAZ: No, yankin Wish's chain..
cool she is a good friend
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WhatUwish4: "When President Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2009, the total federal debt held by the public stood at 6.3073 trillion, according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, a division of the U.S. Treasury Department. As of Aug. 20, 2010, after the first nineteen months of President Obama’s 48-month term, the total federal debt held by the public had grown to a total of $8.8333 trillion, an increase of $2.5260 trillion.
In just the last four months (May through August), according to the CBO, the Obama administration has run cumulative deficits of $464 billion, more than the $458 billion deficit the Bush administration ran through the entirety of fiscal 2008.
The CBO predicted this week that the annual budget deficit for fiscal 2010, which ends on the last day of this month, will exceed $1.3 trillion.
The first two fiscal years in which Obama has served will see the two biggest federal deficits as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product since the end of World War II."http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
In just the last four months (May through August), according to the CBO, the Obama administration has run cumulative deficits of $464 billion, more than the $458 billion deficit the Bush administration ran through the entirety of fiscal 2008.
The CBO predicted this week that the annual budget deficit for fiscal 2010, which ends on the last day of this month, will exceed $1.3 trillion.
The first two fiscal years in which Obama has served will see the two biggest federal deficits as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product since the end of World War II."http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404
Wait that spineless jelly fish complained of inheriting a 2.3 trillion dollar deficit............. the rest he has done all on his own
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gardenhackle: We all have bias. You haven't elucidated or refuted the falsities you claim to exist. You insulted my intelligence with your original comment and now you're whining about "offensive". Physician, heal thyself.
Just a few. 1. Ants society is far from communist, and in fact they have many different social structures. You can read online. 2. Our superior brains put us at the top of the food chain = much more than our competitive drive. 3. Who's the dominant species on this planet is highly debatable. We still rely on bees for example for pollination; without them, the whole food chain would collapse. 4. You imply that only money can motivate people to work. Hence, artists, intellectuals and scientists are all somehow misguided or stupid. 5. You imply that capitalism = meritocracy. In reality, it's far from that. Lazy people from rich families live in luxury, while people who are born in poor families rarely become rich. 6. You imply that there is no involuntary unemployment in capitalism - big error. 7. You say there is a huge middle class and a small poor class - in the US most people are one major health problem away from bankruptcy. 8. You imply Cuba is poor because of communism - what about the trade embargo from US? (longest in modern history)...------ This thread is Archived ------
lifeatthebeach: Wait that spineless jelly fish complained of inheriting a 2.3 trillion dollar deficit............. the rest he has done all on his own
1.3 not 2.3
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deadbutwhy: Just a few. 1. Ants society is far from communist, and in fact they have many different social structures. You can read online. 2. Our superior brains put us at the top of the food chain = much more than our competitive drive. 3. Who's the dominant species on this planet is highly debatable. We still rely on bees for example for pollination; without them, the whole food chain would collapse. 4. You imply that only money can motivate people to work. Hence, artists, intellectuals and scientists are all somehow misguided or stupid. 5. You imply that capitalism = meritocracy. In reality, it's far from that. Lazy people from rich families live in luxury, while people who are born in poor families rarely become rich. 6. You imply that there is no involuntary unemployment in capitalism - big error. 7. You say there is a huge middle class and a small poor class - in the US most people are one major health problem away from bankruptcy. 8. You imply Cuba is poor because of communism - what about the trade embargo from US? (longest in modern history)...
Cuba is trading with any other Country!So your Reasoning and argument are extremely fallacious!
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WhatUwish4: Let me just list a few of the top companies and how much they gave away in charitible gifts in 2009...Maybe then you will see what I'm talking about.
Walmart...$288,091,839.00
AT&T ...$239,998,646.00
Bank of America...$209,116,567.00
Wells Fargo...$202,014,244.00
Exxon...$187,121,560.00
Johnson & Johnson...$175,926,000.00
Chevron...$145,300,000.00
General Electric...$138,786,000.00
Target...$133,941,813.00
Microsoft...$113,000,000.00
This is ONE year, Chris...and yes, those are millions$$$$$$$.
Here is the link to the rest.
Walmart...$288,091,839.00
AT&T ...$239,998,646.00
Bank of America...$209,116,567.00
Wells Fargo...$202,014,244.00
Exxon...$187,121,560.00
Johnson & Johnson...$175,926,000.00
Chevron...$145,300,000.00
General Electric...$138,786,000.00
Target...$133,941,813.00
Microsoft...$113,000,000.00
This is ONE year, Chris...and yes, those are millions$$$$$$$.
Here is the link to the rest.
Perfect example, devide the totall by the number of people who lives in the states and then suggest what ever you want to suggest.
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gardenhackle: My family still lives there, so what's your point and when are you going to move instead of just going to vacation. You can't experience all the benefits of communism as a tourist, you know.
Yes i know, thats why i lived outside the tourist accomodations, even do i had booked them.
But the question was when have you been there and i am guessing it has been a long while ago that you have been there.
Ofcourse i can understand that they are asking for your help, every now and then.
But i have even family members in holland who needs some help to.
But what is your point ?
I am hoping that with your intellegence you are willing to look a bit further as well as, why the kapitalistic system does not help pakistan as it also kaptilastic, about 3 million people who have nothing to eat or dress.
Or isnt there any oil there ?
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lifeatthebeach: Wait that spineless jelly fish complained of inheriting a 2.3 trillion dollar deficit............. the rest he has done all on his own
I think you are right, kapitlasime doenst give you any chance to do good, the cash register has to stay filled with andy means.
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deadbutwhy: Just a few. 1. Ants society is far from communist, and in fact they have many different social structures. You can read online. 2. Our superior brains put us at the top of the food chain = much more than our competitive drive. 3. Who's the dominant species on this planet is highly debatable. We still rely on bees for example for pollination; without them, the whole food chain would collapse. 4. You imply that only money can motivate people to work. Hence, artists, intellectuals and scientists are all somehow misguided or stupid. 5. You imply that capitalism = meritocracy. In reality, it's far from that. Lazy people from rich families live in luxury, while people who are born in poor families rarely become rich. 6. You imply that there is no involuntary unemployment in capitalism - big error. 7. You say there is a huge middle class and a small poor class - in the US most people are one major health problem away from bankruptcy. 8. You imply Cuba is poor because of communism - what about the trade embargo from US? (longest in modern history)...
1. Ant society is as close to communism as occurs in the natural world. There is the queen, which equates to the head of the communist party and the rest of the organisms within the social structure have no individual property and all work for the "common good" of the society. I could just naysay your naysaying, but I'd rather support what I have to say with reasoned thought. Naysaying isn't an argument.
2. Our superior brains certainly have helped put us at the top of the food chain but our competitiveness is linked directly to that superior brain. Dolphins have "superior brains" among the animal kingdom and aren't the "kings of the sea", ruling everything, so superior intellect alone does not cause a species to dominate - dominant attitude and character do. It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.
3. To deny that humans are the dominant species on this planet is to deny reality. While everything plays a role in the ecosystem, it's asinine to assert that bees might be the dominant species since they are responsible for the vast majority of pollination at this point in time. That might make them a "critical link" in the chain but it simply isn't rational to assert that means they could be argued to be the dominant species.
4. I did in no way imply that money is the ONLY thing that motivates people to work. That's your strawman. Beat it, burn it, stomp on the ashes and all you've done is destroy a fallacy of your own creation; not mine.
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Bulll: I allready give you an answer and a question, que no ?
No, you didn't.
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Bulll: Perfect example, devide the totall by the number of people who lives in the states and then suggest what ever you want to suggest.
Now that's the silliest comment yet.
First, I only listed 10 companies out of 1000's - and these millions are charitable donations on top of the fact that they pay salaries (which then pays for taxes in the society), health care, corporate taxes (which again goes to the government), and 401 savings plans which they usually match by as much as half whatever the employee puts in.
Second, it is NOT THEIR JOB to take care of all the less fortunate, it is the government's job and that's why we all pay such high taxes.
So not only do these companies pay the salaries which pay the government taxes, the companies also pay government taxes and STILL they choose to donate millions back to the community.
It's not a perfect system, but surely even you can see where the corporate structure keeps the wheels of society turning.
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