COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ? (480)
WhatUwish4: We'll I'll be! Welcome to the Republican Party!
Seriously, one of the things the conservatives are calling for is that their representatives - be they republicans or "tea party" independents - is that they do what Obama promised, but failed to deliver...and physically sign a pact for NO MORE EARMARKS. They are already for smaller government and pro business (manufacturing). The rest you are in disagreement with, but it sounds to me like you're more conservative than anything else.
Seriously, one of the things the conservatives are calling for is that their representatives - be they republicans or "tea party" independents - is that they do what Obama promised, but failed to deliver...and physically sign a pact for NO MORE EARMARKS. They are already for smaller government and pro business (manufacturing). The rest you are in disagreement with, but it sounds to me like you're more conservative than anything else.
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Conrad73: You really had to insult the man like that?
I know. Poor guy is probably stroking out now.
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WhatUwish4: I know. Poor guy is probably stroking out now.
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WhatUwish4: I know. Poor guy is probably stroking out now.
Paul Craig Roberts considers himself conservative, but he's against this debt-driven economy and the influence of big business on politics, as well as outsourcing. Though I agree more with conservatives than with neoconservatives/neoliberals, I'd still think of myself more of a liberal. ------ This thread is Archived ------
deadbutwhy: Paul Craig Roberts considers himself conservative, but he's against this debt-driven economy and the influence of big business on politics, as well as outsourcing. Though I agree more with conservatives than with neoconservatives/neoliberals, I'd still think of myself more of a liberal.
Is that kind of like "I voted for the war before I voted against it?"
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WhatUwish4: Is that kind of like "I voted for the war before I voted against it?"
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WhatUwish4: So what is your idea of the perfect solution?
Radical change
I'm for a hybrid system since neither Communism or Capitalism has worked out like it's supposed to according to what is implied on paper. The power and profit driven Corporatists/Plutocrats simply have too much power, and that has not been a good thing at all for the common people. A great start would be having more political parties in Congress. For such a diverse and big nation, having only Republicans and Democrats dominate congress just does not make sense. We need a third party to arise and take some power away from the two-headed snake that is the Republicans and Democrats who have their corporate and special interest/lobby group alliances. They have destroyed the middle class and rendered our Republic weak and in no way for the people. This has to end, period.
"According to Tax Notes, between 1999 and 2008 employment at the foreign affiliates of U.S. parent companies skyrocketed 30 percent to 10.1 million. During that same time period, U.S. employment at American multinational corporations declined 8 percent to 21.1 million.
Are you starting to see the picture?
Global corporations based in the U.S. have been creating lots of jobs - just not in the United States.
In fact, things only seem to be accelerating.
In 2008 alone, U.S. employment at American multinational corporations fell by 445,500.
In the old days, you could give tax breaks to U.S. firms and that would spur them to do more business and to hire more workers. But today, if U.S. multinationals decide they wish to expand they will just go hire more third world workers and pocket the rest of the profits for themselves.
The reality is that we are facing a very disturbing long-term trend in the United States." -
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From this link that makes sense -
"But do you really want to know who is to blame for our economic problems?
Both of them.
This economic nightmare has taken literally decades to develop, and both Democrats and Republicans have contributed greatly to this disaster.
Both parties have absolutely refused to stand up to the Federal Reserve and the horrific economic policies that they have been shoving down our throats for decades.
Both parties have stood idly by as the U.S. trade deficit has absolutely exploded in size and the United States has become significantly poorer month after month after month.
Both parties have refused to do anything as month after month after month large numbers of factories and good paying jobs leave the United States.
Both parties have shoved the spending accelerator to the floor when they have been in power and now we have the largest national debt in the history of the world.
Both parties have done essentially nothing as the health care industry, which was once the envy of the world, has degenerated into a cesspool of corruption and greed and now seems designed to do little more than to provide pharmaceutical companies and health insurance crooks with obscene profits.
If factories keep leaving the United States and jobs keep leaving the United States and the federal government keeps going into more debt and state governments keep going into more debt and local governments keep going into more debt, then things are going to keep getting worse.
It does not take a genius to figure that out.
The United States is continually getting poorer and is continually going into more debt.
Can anyone out there explain how that is a formula for economic prosperity?
Seriously.
Can anyone explain how that would work? "
"But do you really want to know who is to blame for our economic problems?
Both of them.
This economic nightmare has taken literally decades to develop, and both Democrats and Republicans have contributed greatly to this disaster.
Both parties have absolutely refused to stand up to the Federal Reserve and the horrific economic policies that they have been shoving down our throats for decades.
Both parties have stood idly by as the U.S. trade deficit has absolutely exploded in size and the United States has become significantly poorer month after month after month.
Both parties have refused to do anything as month after month after month large numbers of factories and good paying jobs leave the United States.
Both parties have shoved the spending accelerator to the floor when they have been in power and now we have the largest national debt in the history of the world.
Both parties have done essentially nothing as the health care industry, which was once the envy of the world, has degenerated into a cesspool of corruption and greed and now seems designed to do little more than to provide pharmaceutical companies and health insurance crooks with obscene profits.
If factories keep leaving the United States and jobs keep leaving the United States and the federal government keeps going into more debt and state governments keep going into more debt and local governments keep going into more debt, then things are going to keep getting worse.
It does not take a genius to figure that out.
The United States is continually getting poorer and is continually going into more debt.
Can anyone out there explain how that is a formula for economic prosperity?
Seriously.
Can anyone explain how that would work? "
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The following are 15 shocking poverty statistics that are skyrocketing as the American middle class continues to be slowly wiped out....
#1 Approximately 45 million Americans were living in poverty in 2009.
#2 According to the Associated Press, experts believe that 2009 saw the largest single year increase in the U.S. poverty rate since the U.S. government began calculating poverty figures back in 1959.
#3 The U.S. poverty rate is now the third worst among the developed nations tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
#4 According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, on a year-over-year basis, household participation in the food stamp program has increased 20.28%.
#5 The number of Americans on food stamps surpassed 41 million for the first time ever in June.
#6 As of June, the number of Americans on food stamps had set a new all-time record for 19 consecutive months.
#7 One out of every six Americans is now being served by at least one government anti-poverty program.
#8 More than 50 million Americans are now on Medicaid, the U.S. government health care program designed principally to help the poor.
#9 One out of every seven mortgages in the United States was either delinquent or in foreclosure during the first quarter of 2010.
#10 Nearly 10 million Americans now receive unemployment insurance, which is almost four times as many as were receiving it in 2007.
#11 The number of Americans receiving long-term unemployment benefits has risen over 60 percent in just the past year.
#12 According to one recent survey, 28% of all U.S. households have at least one member that is looking for a full-time job.
#13 Nationwide, bankruptcy filings rose 20 percent in the 12 month period ending June 30th.
#14 More than 25 percent of all Americans now have a credit score below 599.
#15 One out of every five children in the United States is now living in poverty.
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#1 Approximately 45 million Americans were living in poverty in 2009.
#2 According to the Associated Press, experts believe that 2009 saw the largest single year increase in the U.S. poverty rate since the U.S. government began calculating poverty figures back in 1959.
#3 The U.S. poverty rate is now the third worst among the developed nations tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
#4 According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, on a year-over-year basis, household participation in the food stamp program has increased 20.28%.
#5 The number of Americans on food stamps surpassed 41 million for the first time ever in June.
#6 As of June, the number of Americans on food stamps had set a new all-time record for 19 consecutive months.
#7 One out of every six Americans is now being served by at least one government anti-poverty program.
#8 More than 50 million Americans are now on Medicaid, the U.S. government health care program designed principally to help the poor.
#9 One out of every seven mortgages in the United States was either delinquent or in foreclosure during the first quarter of 2010.
#10 Nearly 10 million Americans now receive unemployment insurance, which is almost four times as many as were receiving it in 2007.
#11 The number of Americans receiving long-term unemployment benefits has risen over 60 percent in just the past year.
#12 According to one recent survey, 28% of all U.S. households have at least one member that is looking for a full-time job.
#13 Nationwide, bankruptcy filings rose 20 percent in the 12 month period ending June 30th.
#14 More than 25 percent of all Americans now have a credit score below 599.
#15 One out of every five children in the United States is now living in poverty.
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Hey Stress... I do see the picture and have been whining about it for far too long. Our government has got to ENHANCE the environment for industry here in the states rather than regulating them into a position where they must go overseas to compete. I can't say it loud enough or strong enough.
And I agree about having more parties - either that or NO parites. Just let the peeps vote. It's tough to get new parties started. The libertarians have been trying for years and I think tea partiers are a bit of a hybrid of them and the conservatives. They are emerging, and I think they have a chance given the times, but who knows in this fickle world?
And I agree about having more parties - either that or NO parites. Just let the peeps vote.
It's tough to get new parties started. The libertarians have been trying for years and I think tea partiers are a bit of a hybrid of them and the conservatives. They are emerging, and I think they have a chance given the times, but who knows in this fickle world? ------ This thread is Archived ------
WhatUwish4: Very true - but the reverse can also happen as with the break up of AT&T. When they opened the industry to competition, we ALL lost as a society. Now prices have sky-rocketed, phone plans are scurvy and impossible to decipher, and lots of crappy companies are profiting off our misery.
It was much better when it was one government-regulated entitiy providing the service. Also better in that their employment practices and world-wide contributions to society were also the gold standard. This was doubly important in that OTHER companies had to offer comperable work standards and benefits in order to compete for the employee talent.
It was much better when it was one government-regulated entitiy providing the service. Also better in that their employment practices and world-wide contributions to society were also the gold standard. This was doubly important in that OTHER companies had to offer comperable work standards and benefits in order to compete for the employee talent.
That's the real problem with state intervention in business, it will bias one business over another, and often not the business that performs but the business which is in the personal interest of the politician/party, to the expense of everybody else.
I'd make it illegal for any politician, party member or public servant to become a shareholder in any private enterprise.
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WhatUwish4: Hey Stress... I do see the picture and have been whining about it for far too long. Our government has got to ENHANCE the environment for industry here in the states rather than regulating them into a position where they must go overseas to compete. I can't say it loud enough or strong enough.
And I agree about having more parties - either that or NO parites. Just let the peeps vote. It's tough to get new parties started. The libertarians have been trying for years and I think tea partiers are a bit of a hybrid of them and the conservatives. They are emerging, and I think they have a chance given the times, but who knows in this fickle world?
And I agree about having more parties - either that or NO parites. Just let the peeps vote. It's tough to get new parties started. The libertarians have been trying for years and I think tea partiers are a bit of a hybrid of them and the conservatives. They are emerging, and I think they have a chance given the times, but who knows in this fickle world?
Another good thing about having more representation by other political parties in Congress, is that it may facilitate the clean up of the Republican and Democrat Party---and eliminate the rotten eggs in those two parties so we can get back to basics and make our Republic a strong one for the people from any demographic.
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StressFree: The following are 15 shocking poverty statistics that are skyrocketing as the American middle class continues to be slowly wiped out....
#1 Approximately 45 million Americans were living in poverty in 2009.
#2 According to the Associated Press, experts believe that 2009 saw the largest single year increase in the U.S. poverty rate since the U.S. government began calculating poverty figures back in 1959.
#3 The U.S. poverty rate is now the third worst among the developed nations tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
#4 According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, on a year-over-year basis, household participation in the food stamp program has increased 20.28%.
#5 The number of Americans on food stamps surpassed 41 million for the first time ever in June.
#6 As of June, the number of Americans on food stamps had set a new all-time record for 19 consecutive months.
#7 One out of every six Americans is now being served by at least one government anti-poverty program.
#8 More than 50 million Americans are now on Medicaid, the U.S. government health care program designed principally to help the poor.
#9 One out of every seven mortgages in the United States was either delinquent or in foreclosure during the first quarter of 2010.
#10 Nearly 10 million Americans now receive unemployment insurance, which is almost four times as many as were receiving it in 2007.
#11 The number of Americans receiving long-term unemployment benefits has risen over 60 percent in just the past year.
#12 According to one recent survey, 28% of all U.S. households have at least one member that is looking for a full-time job.
#13 Nationwide, bankruptcy filings rose 20 percent in the 12 month period ending June 30th.
#14 More than 25 percent of all Americans now have a credit score below 599.
#15 One out of every five children in the United States is now living in poverty.
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#1 Approximately 45 million Americans were living in poverty in 2009.
#2 According to the Associated Press, experts believe that 2009 saw the largest single year increase in the U.S. poverty rate since the U.S. government began calculating poverty figures back in 1959.
#3 The U.S. poverty rate is now the third worst among the developed nations tracked by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
#4 According to the U.S. Department of Agriculture, on a year-over-year basis, household participation in the food stamp program has increased 20.28%.
#5 The number of Americans on food stamps surpassed 41 million for the first time ever in June.
#6 As of June, the number of Americans on food stamps had set a new all-time record for 19 consecutive months.
#7 One out of every six Americans is now being served by at least one government anti-poverty program.
#8 More than 50 million Americans are now on Medicaid, the U.S. government health care program designed principally to help the poor.
#9 One out of every seven mortgages in the United States was either delinquent or in foreclosure during the first quarter of 2010.
#10 Nearly 10 million Americans now receive unemployment insurance, which is almost four times as many as were receiving it in 2007.
#11 The number of Americans receiving long-term unemployment benefits has risen over 60 percent in just the past year.
#12 According to one recent survey, 28% of all U.S. households have at least one member that is looking for a full-time job.
#13 Nationwide, bankruptcy filings rose 20 percent in the 12 month period ending June 30th.
#14 More than 25 percent of all Americans now have a credit score below 599.
#15 One out of every five children in the United States is now living in poverty.
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So where's the problem?
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Like driving a tractor with both eyes closed.
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StressFree: Another good thing about having more representation by other political parties in Congress, is that it may facilitate the clean up of the Republican and Democrat Party---and eliminate the rotten eggs in those two parties so we can get back to basics and make our Republic a strong one for the people from any demographic.
The obvious point to make there is Europe. Is European politics, with its broader array of parties, any less rotten than the American political system?
Party for parties sake is not Democracy, neither is it in the interests of anybody.
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TrueBlue1986: The obvious point to make there is Europe. Is European politics, with its broader array of parties, any less rotten than the American political system?
Party for parties sake is not Democracy, neither is it in the interests of anybody.
Party for parties sake is not Democracy, neither is it in the interests of anybody.
It sure is in Sweden. Having more parties is healthy for any Democracy---unless it involves into two opposing alliances. A third political party in America is badly needed in order to change the political landscape in America---like improve this sense of Democracy. So it would be of great value to the American people---assuming this third party proposes actual solutions that are not connected to lobbyists and corportists.
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StressFree: It sure is in Sweden. Having more parties is healthy for any Democracy---unless it involves into two opposing alliances. A third political party in America is badly needed in order to change the political landscape in America---like improve this sense of Democracy. So it would be of great value to the American people---assuming this third party proposes actual solutions that are not connected to lobbyists and corportists.
Anywhere in the EU has only a portion of the freedom of America, seems to only have delivered us into a system of Liberal-esque Stalinism with its henchmen of loyal pc thought police.
Do lots of small parties create choice or do they simply create the illusion of choice?
I think it causes voters to get lost in ideologies and Factionalism, which is ripe for exploitation. It is especially dangerous during times of crisis, think of the Weimar Republic and the millions that ultimately died because of such an anarchic Democracy comprised of so many jostling political parties.
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Realistically, I'd like a more direct democracy in the US, i.e. more power to people through local councils and governments. I am against business corrupting the democratic process with bribes to politicians and parties. I like anti-trust laws. I'd like outsourcing being heavily taxed or penalized. A humane yet not so wide-open immigration policy. Building up manufacturing, and winding down the financial/war economy. A Canadian-style healthcare system, so that companies don't need to provide it themselves and better country-wide education. An improved version of the 60's -- a modern "Great Society".
We'll I'll be! Welcome to the Republican Party!
Seriously, one of the things the conservatives are calling for is that their representatives - be they republicans or "tea party" independents - is that they do what Obama promised, but failed to deliver...and physically sign a pact for NO MORE EARMARKS. They are already for smaller government and pro business (manufacturing). The rest you are in disagreement with, but it sounds to me like you're more conservative than anything else.