COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ? ( Archived) (480)

Sep 13, 2010 8:37 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
deadbutwhy: You have to agree that their job is to increase their companies and shareholders' profits, and that's where they base their decisions, even when donating money. Now of course they have hearts, and they can be nice folks who privately give alot.


Of course their job is to manage the company and increase profits. That's what they are HIRED to do, but what does that have to do with the subject at hand?
dunno
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 13, 2010 8:39 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
Iuchi_Zien: Hmm! interesting you only mention the US, wonder if that could be because businesses in the US who give to charities get a tax break? so one wonders, are they doing it for the tax break AND the publicity or out of 'the goodness of their hearts', since most multi-national businesses are interested ONLY in money I know which I suspect. I've yet to hear of a multi-national company which anonymously donated ANYTHING, if they gave you the clap they would want pictures and air time!


I give more because of tax breaks. I'm not really sure if that makes me a bad person?
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 13, 2010 8:51 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Iuchi_Zien: Hmm! interesting you only mention the US, wonder if that could be because businesses in the US who give to charities get a tax break? so one wonders, are they doing it for the tax break AND the publicity or out of 'the goodness of their hearts', since most multi-national businesses are interested ONLY in money I know which I suspect. I've yet to hear of a multi-national company which anonymously donated ANYTHING, if they gave you the clap they would want pictures and air time!


I mentioned US companies (be they multi-national or not) because they are the only ones I am familiar with. You are quite free to think what you want. I have ZERO interest in engaging in a childish bi#ch-slapping session with you of all people, so don't expect any further response - other than the fact that you probably should google the issue for your own edification.


thumbs down thumbs down
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 13, 2010 8:59 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
deadbutwhy: It's a response to your post:
You implied they give money b/c they are nice and they care; I'm arguing that they give money coz it furthers their business interests. Plus the money they give is way less than the subsidies they get from the taxpayers.


I don't see where I implied any such thing in my initial comment. I was merely pointing out that US corporations give staggering amounts annually. But as it happens, there have been many occasions where companies (or someone in the company) was moved to do something simply because they read or heard the story and wanted to do something. It's not unheard of, you know. But the point isn't that they are all wonderful, altruistic entities...simply that they do routinely give sizeable amounts to charity.


doh
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 1:41 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Obviously have tax cuts as somebody said,answearing your post.Again not you,been in the corporate cicle,and not any golden boy/woman ever gone,and live for a month,so will have first hand opinion,in those appalling conditions the lower class Americans live in.Is different, to have a picture what is like,and different to live it,for a while,what is REALLY like.-How you explain the fact, the poverty in USA has double the last 30 years,and the upper class people,running those corporations+companies to have trible??? In who's back those golden boys,get their huge bonusses??.-Have they ever those golden boys,question their morality,earning those huge amounts of money,in comparison with a family living under a bridge????wave Again does Immorality start from the upper or the lower level of society???You forgot to respond or you left it out deliberately.Of cource you have every right to respond, in section of the post, if so wished.-bouquet
WhatUwish4: Yes, Chris. I have seen countless examples of corporate benevolence in all facets of our community and the nation at large. In addition to the fact that most pay a damn good salary for people to live off of, the VAST majority of corporations give quite willingly and on a very consistent basis. You seem to have bought into the current rhetoric that all companies are big, mean faceless enemies who are only out to screw people. You would be wrong.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 7:07 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Bulll: How come if you are that smart why dont you find a solution, for all those immigratans who wants a better future fot there family and themselfs who are living in your nation ? Give them a permit to work, live and juse healt facilities.
Or for the intolerance it has to other religion or dicators, or was the war only for oil ?
Or keeps on supporting israel to keep expanding its boundries by robbery.
I guess money talks and not personallity.
But things are going to change as Barack said, unfortunatly for the States it is going to be a whole other way then you hope for.
You talk about good people in a few companies.
I am talking about the law book of yours which has grown in the past 30 years, what does that tell you ?
i can tell you one thing in any communist country you can have a look how big or small the law book is and what it considers.
You would be surprised.


Actually, Bull, I don’t recall making any claims to being intelligent, nor have I really tried to give a full opinion on the subject. My comments about corporations giving money was just to clear up ONE common misconception that is part of a much bigger picture.

I think what we need is a mix of socialism and free enterprise. We should recognize as a society that all people have basic needs and we should all chip in and make sure those needs are met. But socialism by itself does not work: the end of the cold war and consequent fall or the iron curtain has proven that. Similarly, capitalism by itself does not work, but there is no doubt that the more individuals who are encouraged to work by being rewarded for the work they do – the more wealth flows throughout the whole society to the benefit of everyone.

One of the worst mistakes our government made was to deregulate the Bell System and open it to free-market competition. When it was government-regulated the company was very fat and profitable because it did not have to compete with anyone, yet in exchange for that the company agreed to regulation and followed a plethora of government-mandated employment rules to ensure excellent and uniformly fair employment practices. Its history of giving and its contributions to research and technology were astronomical and had world-wide implications. In truth, it was for a long time the “gold standard” of the US corporate world. And it did this by basically following a more socialist road map.

So for the record, please don’t make the mistake of taking one comment out of context and assuming you know the whole picture. You do us both a big disservice. We all have different opinions and there’s much work to be done together to sort these things out. I just think we should all be a little more open minded in searching for solutions, and that starts with evaluating the facts rather than just listening to party rhetoric .

Peace out.
head banger
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 7:27 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
Bulll: How come if you are that smart why dont you find a solution, for all those immigratans who wants a better future fot there family and themselfs who are living in your nation ? Give them a permit to work, live and juse healt facilities.
Or for the intolerance it has to other religion or dicators, or was the war only for oil ?
Or keeps on supporting israel to keep expanding its boundries by robbery.
I guess money talks and not personallity.
But things are going to change as Barack said, unfortunatly for the States it is going to be a whole other way then you hope for.
You talk about good people in a few companies.
I am talking about the law book of yours which has grown in the past 30 years, what does that tell you ?
i can tell you one thing in any communist country you can have a look how big or small the law book is and what it considers.
You would be surprised.


The Soviet's shot their own workers for striking, and if the soldier wouldn't shoot his own comrade, they shot him. See the Berlin uprising of 1953, where tanks were deployed against picket lines.

The law counts for proponents of the state, but never its opponents, as they by default become 'the enemy of the people'.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 7:39 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
TrueBlue1986: The Soviet's shot their own workers for striking, and if the soldier wouldn't shoot his own comrade, they shot him. See the Berlin uprising of 1953, where tanks were deployed against picket lines.

The law counts for proponents of the state, but never its opponents, as they by default become 'the enemy of the people'.


Exactly. A system of checks and balances is always needed or tyrrany will rule.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:03 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Nice analogy. Shame our Farmers sold most of our Pigs to China. Capitalism or Socilaism, both are useless if we continue to outsource every single worthwhile job to the far east or some sweatshop nation.


Agreed.
thumbs up
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:04 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Blame the farmer, not the pig.
laugh
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:15 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Shooter700
Shooter700Shooter700somewhere, Maryland USA20 Threads 276 Posts
This is simple.... Bulll wants Communism because he has a death wish. His career will be terminated and he will no longer be needed because there will be no reason to have finance people when there is no need for money.... I am for that.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:16 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
poletite
poletitepoletiteBELGRADE, Central Serbia Serbia399 Posts
why did americans support comunists in yougoslavia after 2nd worl warthumbs down dunno
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:21 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Shooter700
Shooter700Shooter700somewhere, Maryland USA20 Threads 276 Posts
poletite: why did americans support comunists in yougoslavia after 2nd worl war


Very good question.... I will have to ask my grandfather that.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:23 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
poletite
poletitepoletiteBELGRADE, Central Serbia Serbia399 Posts
i think they probably thought thats not bad system
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:24 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
A good thing I don't raise pigs. laugh
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:24 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
poletite: why did americans support comunists in yougoslavia after 2nd worl war


I don't understand the purpose of your question (and I don't know the answer). Why do you ask in relation to this subject? What is it you're looking for or what point are you trying to make?
dunno
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:24 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
bittersweet28467
bittersweet28467bittersweet28467Calabash, North Carolina USA18 Threads 2 Polls 467 Posts
robsantiago15: Socialist Democracy.


thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:25 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
agman: A good thing I don't raise pigs.


Hey Otto. wave

Pigs are the greatest. You should have one just for the joy of having them around. Such funny little characters.
bouquet
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:26 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
poletite
poletitepoletiteBELGRADE, Central Serbia Serbia399 Posts
thats weird for me too, dont know why,but its truth that americans supported comunists in yougoslaviadunno
------ This thread is Archived ------
Sep 14, 2010 8:33 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
poletite: thats weird for me too, dont know why,but its truth that americans supported comunists in yougoslavia


Does this help? I'm googling it now. Will try to find something more concise.
------ This thread is Archived ------
Post Comment - Post a comment on this Forum Thread

This Thread is Archived

This Thread is archived, so you will no longer be able to post to it. Threads get archived automatically when they are older than 3 months.

« Go back to All Threads
Message #318

Share this Thread

We use cookies to ensure that you have the best experience possible on our website. Read Our Privacy Policy Here