COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ? (480)
TrueBlue1986: The Soviet's shot their own workers for striking, and if the soldier wouldn't shoot his own comrade, they shot him. See the Berlin uprising of 1953, where tanks were deployed against picket lines.
The law counts for proponents of the state, but never its opponents, as they by default become 'the enemy of the people'.
The law counts for proponents of the state, but never its opponents, as they by default become 'the enemy of the people'.
You havent learned one thing youngmen.
We all swim together or we all drown together, quote from barosso twee weeks ago.
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Bulll: You havent learned one thing youngmen.
We all swim together or we all drown together, quote from barosso twee weeks ago.
We all swim together or we all drown together, quote from barosso twee weeks ago.
"When ideas fail, words come in very handy"
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You say ""we recognize as society,all people have basic needs,and all chip in, to make sure those needs are met"".- I have a proposal to you,so you can prove what a good samaritan you are for the needy.- Propose to the Golden boys/girls,in the company,you working for, this year their bonus will go to a common couse,"the needy people".- Each and everyone of your peers,will come up,with the exclamation "are you nuts",and within seconds the ""laughing stock"" in the company,because none of them have a "heart" for the needy.-
WhatUwish4: Actually, Bull, I don’t recall making any claims to being intelligent, nor have I really tried to give a full opinion on the subject. My comments about corporations giving money was just to clear up ONE common misconception that is part of a much bigger picture.
I think what we need is a mix of socialism and free enterprise. We should recognize as a society that all people have basic needs and we should all chip in and make sure those needs are met. But socialism by itself does not work: the end of the cold war and consequent fall or the iron curtain has proven that. Similarly, capitalism by itself does not work, but there is no doubt that the more individuals who are encouraged to work by being rewarded for the work they do – the more wealth flows throughout the whole society to the benefit of everyone.
One of the worst mistakes our government made was to deregulate the Bell System and open it to free-market competition. When it was government-regulated the company was very fat and profitable because it did not have to compete with anyone, yet in exchange for that the company agreed to regulation and followed a plethora of government-mandated employment rules to ensure excellent and uniformly fair employment practices. Its history of giving and its contributions to research and technology were astronomical and had world-wide implications. In truth, it was for a long time the “gold standard” of the US corporate world. And it did this by basically following a more socialist road map.
So for the record, please don’t make the mistake of taking one comment out of context and assuming you know the whole picture. You do us both a big disservice. We all have different opinions and there’s much work to be done together to sort these things out. I just think we should all be a little more open minded in searching for solutions, and that starts with evaluating the facts rather than just listening to party rhetoric .
Peace out.
I think what we need is a mix of socialism and free enterprise. We should recognize as a society that all people have basic needs and we should all chip in and make sure those needs are met. But socialism by itself does not work: the end of the cold war and consequent fall or the iron curtain has proven that. Similarly, capitalism by itself does not work, but there is no doubt that the more individuals who are encouraged to work by being rewarded for the work they do – the more wealth flows throughout the whole society to the benefit of everyone.
One of the worst mistakes our government made was to deregulate the Bell System and open it to free-market competition. When it was government-regulated the company was very fat and profitable because it did not have to compete with anyone, yet in exchange for that the company agreed to regulation and followed a plethora of government-mandated employment rules to ensure excellent and uniformly fair employment practices. Its history of giving and its contributions to research and technology were astronomical and had world-wide implications. In truth, it was for a long time the “gold standard” of the US corporate world. And it did this by basically following a more socialist road map.
So for the record, please don’t make the mistake of taking one comment out of context and assuming you know the whole picture. You do us both a big disservice. We all have different opinions and there’s much work to be done together to sort these things out. I just think we should all be a little more open minded in searching for solutions, and that starts with evaluating the facts rather than just listening to party rhetoric .
Peace out.
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TrueBlue1986: "When ideas fail, words come in very handy"
Your right my friend, but you should get out of those books and consider the bigger stage that we are talking about.
Have you ever been in a communistic/socialistic country or perhaps talked to one who has lived it and i mean the older people as they truelly can make a distingues, what is good and what isnt.
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Squeeze them for a century,and now tell them to Suck it.-
Bravo
no thank you of cource.
Bravo no thank you of cource. Conrad73: Nope,we wouldn't be that dependent on Oil,and could tell the Saudi and others to SUCK it!
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WhatUwish4: Actually, Bull, I don’t recall making any claims to being intelligent, nor have I really tried to give a full opinion on the subject. My comments about corporations giving money was just to clear up ONE common misconception that is part of a much bigger picture.
I think what we need is a mix of socialism and free enterprise. We should recognize as a society that all people have basic needs and we should all chip in and make sure those needs are met. But socialism by itself does not work: the end of the cold war and consequent fall or the iron curtain has proven that. Similarly, capitalism by itself does not work, but there is no doubt that the more individuals who are encouraged to work by being rewarded for the work they do – the more wealth flows throughout the whole society to the benefit of everyone.
One of the worst mistakes our government made was to deregulate the Bell System and open it to free-market competition. When it was government-regulated the company was very fat and profitable because it did not have to compete with anyone, yet in exchange for that the company agreed to regulation and followed a plethora of government-mandated employment rules to ensure excellent and uniformly fair employment practices. Its history of giving and its contributions to research and technology were astronomical and had world-wide implications. In truth, it was for a long time the “gold standard” of the US corporate world. And it did this by basically following a more socialist road map.
So for the record, please don’t make the mistake of taking one comment out of context and assuming you know the whole picture. You do us both a big disservice. We all have different opinions and there’s much work to be done together to sort these things out. I just think we should all be a little more open minded in searching for solutions, and that starts with evaluating the facts rather than just listening to party rhetoric .
Peace out.
I think what we need is a mix of socialism and free enterprise. We should recognize as a society that all people have basic needs and we should all chip in and make sure those needs are met. But socialism by itself does not work: the end of the cold war and consequent fall or the iron curtain has proven that. Similarly, capitalism by itself does not work, but there is no doubt that the more individuals who are encouraged to work by being rewarded for the work they do – the more wealth flows throughout the whole society to the benefit of everyone.
One of the worst mistakes our government made was to deregulate the Bell System and open it to free-market competition. When it was government-regulated the company was very fat and profitable because it did not have to compete with anyone, yet in exchange for that the company agreed to regulation and followed a plethora of government-mandated employment rules to ensure excellent and uniformly fair employment practices. Its history of giving and its contributions to research and technology were astronomical and had world-wide implications. In truth, it was for a long time the “gold standard” of the US corporate world. And it did this by basically following a more socialist road map.
So for the record, please don’t make the mistake of taking one comment out of context and assuming you know the whole picture. You do us both a big disservice. We all have different opinions and there’s much work to be done together to sort these things out. I just think we should all be a little more open minded in searching for solutions, and that starts with evaluating the facts rather than just listening to party rhetoric .
Peace out.
Ill give you the solution, it starts with the consumer, so label a product with a name and try to sell it to the needy.
But guess what they cant afford it anymore, i wonder how long it is going to be that good salery what you are making.
I can promise you one thing i am in no need of a socialisic instituded, but i wonder how long it will take before america screams for one.
Unless they go to war again, how much of your budget goes to the army ?
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In response to: WHICH SYSTEM WOULD BE THE BEST FOR HUMAN KIND, WE ALLREADY ARE EXPERIENCING KAPITALISIM WORLD WIDE, WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE A TASTE OF HOW COMMUNISME WORKS ?
IMAGINE-
HEALTH CARE, SPORTS, HOUSING, SCHOOL, RELIGION,
STRESS, INDIVUALITY, SOCIETY FORM OF LIVING,
WHAT DOES A HUMAN NEED TO SATISFISFIED ?
IMAGINE-
HEALTH CARE, SPORTS, HOUSING, SCHOOL, RELIGION,
STRESS, INDIVUALITY, SOCIETY FORM OF LIVING,
WHAT DOES A HUMAN NEED TO SATISFISFIED ?
I am a marxist and I can tell you communisim in it's base form is NOT a bad thing. We base our views of communisim in America on the Soviet Union, the problem with that is we only pay attention to tne years Stalin was in power, he was an extremely bad man, but without his five year plans, Russia would be a third world country. He industrialized the entire country and while defending his country from the third reich. Before you say that the ends do not glorify the means, Lincoln during the Civil Wars suspended all American's rights to win the war, but he is one of our greatest heros. I digress, read the communist manifesto and you'll see tnat many of those policies are being worked towards today.
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In response to: WHICH SYSTEM WOULD BE THE BEST FOR HUMAN KIND, WE ALLREADY ARE EXPERIENCING KAPITALISIM WORLD WIDE, WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE A TASTE OF HOW COMMUNISME WORKS ?
IMAGINE-
HEALTH CARE, SPORTS, HOUSING, SCHOOL, RELIGION,
STRESS, INDIVUALITY, SOCIETY FORM OF LIVING,
WHAT DOES A HUMAN NEED TO SATISFISFIED ?
IMAGINE-
HEALTH CARE, SPORTS, HOUSING, SCHOOL, RELIGION,
STRESS, INDIVUALITY, SOCIETY FORM OF LIVING,
WHAT DOES A HUMAN NEED TO SATISFISFIED ?
I am a marxist and I can tell you communisim in it's base form is NOT a bad thing. We base our views of communisim in America on the Soviet Union, the problem with that is we only pay attention to tne years Stalin was in power, he was an extremely bad man, but without his five year plans, Russia would be a third world country. He industrialized the entire country and while defending his country from the third reich. Before you say that the ends do not glorify the means, Lincoln during the Civil Wars suspended all American's rights to win the war, but he is one of our greatest heros. I digress, read the communist manifesto and you'll see tnat many of those policies are being worked towards today.
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Bulll: Your right my friend, but you should get out of those books and consider the bigger stage that we are talking about.
Have you ever been in a communistic/socialistic country or perhaps talked to one who has lived it and i mean the older people as they truelly can make a distingues, what is good and what isnt.
Have you ever been in a communistic/socialistic country or perhaps talked to one who has lived it and i mean the older people as they truelly can make a distingues, what is good and what isnt.
I live in one, i'm not against all Socialist ideas, just the ones that don't work.
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Bulll: Ill give you the solution, it starts with the consumer, so label a product with a name and try to sell it to the needy.
But guess what they cant afford it anymore, i wonder how long it is going to be that good salery what you are making.
I can promise you one thing i am in no need of a socialisic instituded, but i wonder how long it will take before america screams for one.
Unless they go to war again, how much of your budget goes to the army ?
But guess what they cant afford it anymore, i wonder how long it is going to be that good salery what you are making.
I can promise you one thing i am in no need of a socialisic instituded, but i wonder how long it will take before america screams for one.
Unless they go to war again, how much of your budget goes to the army ?
Seems you're not really interested in a conversation or a solution. You just want to bit##. I'm sorry I wasted my time on you.
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chris27292729: You say ""we recognize as society,all people have basic needs,and all chip in, to make sure those needs are met"".- I have a proposal to you,so you can prove what a good samaritan you are for the needy.- Propose to the Golden boys/girls,in the company,you working for, this year their bonus will go to a common couse,"the needy people".- Each and everyone of your peers,will come up,with the exclamation "are you nuts",and within seconds the ""laughing stock"" in the company,because none of them have a "heart" for the needy.-
But it isn't the company's responsibility to do these things. It is the government's responsibility for which we all pay dearly in taxes, coroporations included. Why should we entrust more to the government when they have clearly failed in their duty?
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WhatUwish4: Seems you're not really interested in a conversation or a solution. You just want to bit##. I'm sorry I wasted my time on you.
If i tell you that everything starts with the consumer, what would that tell you ?
That the consumer has lost reality, wouldnt you say so ?
People dont want to think any more just buy, i guess.
well good luck.
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Bulll: If i tell you that everything starts with the consumer, what would that tell you ?
That the consumer has lost reality, wouldnt you say so ?
People dont want to think any more just buy, i guess.
well good luck.
That the consumer has lost reality, wouldnt you say so ?
People dont want to think any more just buy, i guess.
well good luck.
No. I wouldn't say so, and if you had read the last few posts you wouldn't have to be asking me that.
Good luck yourself.
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getmeashotgun: I am a marxist and I can tell you communisim in it's base form is NOT a bad thing. We base our views of communisim in America on the Soviet Union, the problem with that is we only pay attention to tne years Stalin was in power, he was an extremely bad man, but without his five year plans, Russia would be a third world country. He industrialized the entire country and while defending his country from the third reich. Before you say that the ends do not glorify the means, Lincoln during the Civil Wars suspended all American's rights to win the war, but he is one of our greatest heros. I digress, read the communist manifesto and you'll see tnat many of those policies are being worked towards today.
Communism is a movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism. ( thats the theory)
reality about Communism ( socialism ) it was one big experiment, created by the Jesuits ,in order to destabilize the progress of a country ...
capitalism is a more advanced exploiting system ( the common folks get screwed one way or another)
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Boban1: Communism is a movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism. ( thats the theory)
reality about Communism ( socialism ) it was one big experiment, created by the Jesuits ,in order to destabilize the progress of a country ...
capitalism is a more advanced exploiting system ( the common folks get screwed one way or another)
You all only talking about the Different forms of Statism!reality about Communism ( socialism ) it was one big experiment, created by the Jesuits ,in order to destabilize the progress of a country ...
capitalism is a more advanced exploiting system ( the common folks get screwed one way or another)
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I didn't say it would work, just that it isn't evil. For it to work we would need unlimited supplies to support the world and that just won't happen.
Boban1: Communism is a movement that aims for a classless society structured upon communal ownership of the means of production however, communist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to communism. ( thats the theory)
reality about Communism ( socialism ) it was one big experiment, created by the Jesuits ,in order to destabilize the progress of a country ...
capitalism is a more advanced exploiting system ( the common folks get screwed one way or another)
reality about Communism ( socialism ) it was one big experiment, created by the Jesuits ,in order to destabilize the progress of a country ...
capitalism is a more advanced exploiting system ( the common folks get screwed one way or another)
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You're right this system sells us out to the Saudi's etc.
But
Capitalist's still have factories, cars and consumer goods.