COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ? ( Archived) (480)

Sep 15, 2010 9:52 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bulll
BulllBulllRoosendaal, North Brabant Netherlands1 Threads 58 Posts
Conrad73: Yep,he is Foghorn Leghorn personified! Lots of Words,little Substance!

He reminds me of that Nettermann Fellow!


You dont want to know what you remind me off,

But that is also not for this communist/kapitalist forum that i put up.

If you want i can start for you a forum with any remarks about you.

I dont think that will intrest a lot of people but, with your
stupidy people could have a big laugh.
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Sep 15, 2010 9:54 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bulll: You dont want to know what you remind me off,

But that is also not for this communist/kapitalist forum that i put up.

If you want i can start for you a forum with any remarks about you.

I dont think that will intrest a lot of people but, with your
stupidy people could have a big laugh.
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 15, 2010 10:06 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bulll
BulllBulllRoosendaal, North Brabant Netherlands1 Threads 58 Posts
Albertaghost: I'd ask the same of you as your emergency aid is proportionately one third less than the US. So, why not more, isn't there any oil there?


That would be a pretty silly thing to do. By the time you got rid of ten percent of them the other ninety would be worthless and you would lose a lot of money. On top of that, bonds and investments in other countries would be worthless as they would quickly go bankrupt because all their money invested in the US would likewise be worthless. China would be left holding the worlds most formerly expensive bag.

It works only if you have no understanding of how everything is interconnected.


I am not saying that the kapitlastic system is not doing anything.
But what ever they are doing is unefficient.
And i am not only talking about the United States, read carefull.
But as you have said it is all interconnected, which means a flaw has big consequences for all.
If the goverment didnt step in 3 years ago, i wonder what would of happend with the world trade ?
I think i allready know.
So if you put that in to perspective what does it give you for the long run ?
When it comes to aid, they give but if you go back not to numbers, but to reality, people are still needy in that area and will be for the next coming years.
So you think that little of money was sufficient ?
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Sep 15, 2010 11:15 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Bulll: I am not saying that the kapitlastic system is not doing anything.
But what ever they are doing is unefficient.
And i am not only talking about the United States, read carefull.
But as you have said it is all interconnected, which means a flaw has big consequences for all.
When it comes to aid, they give but if you go back not to numbers, but to reality, people are still needy in that area and will be for the next coming years.
So you think that little of money was sufficient ?


Well, time for the dictatorship countries to step up to the plate then. And some of the regimes and communist nations as well.

May be even the Netherlands can lend a hand too as they came up short this time out.thumbs up

Like jeesh, the western world is doing the best it can for crying out loud, time for others to begin pulling their weight don't you think?
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Sep 15, 2010 11:16 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Bulll
BulllBulllRoosendaal, North Brabant Netherlands1 Threads 58 Posts


We allready are at the last stage.
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Sep 15, 2010 11:23 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Grandepensees
GrandepenseesGrandepenseesVerviers, Liege Belgium45 Threads 1 Polls 3,691 Posts
Bulll: WHICH SYSTEM WOULD BE THE BEST FOR HUMAN KIND, WE ALLREADY ARE EXPERIENCING KAPITALISIM WORLD WIDE, WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE A TASTE OF HOW COMMUNISME WORKS ?
IMAGINE-
HEALTH CARE, SPORTS, HOUSING, SCHOOL, RELIGION,
STRESS, INDIVUALITY, SOCIETY FORM OF LIVING,
WHAT DOES A HUMAN NEED TO SATISFISFIED ?


How about Anarchy? We haven't tried that one in a while.
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Sep 15, 2010 11:27 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Grandepensees: How about Anarchy? We haven't tried that one in a while.


Anarchy is just the trolley stop where one government gets off and the next gets on.
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Sep 15, 2010 11:48 AM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
Conrad73: Anarchist Governments are inherently Evil!
Waiting for the Firestorm!
It is all right here!professor


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Sep 15, 2010 1:31 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
deadbutwhy
deadbutwhydeadbutwhyeast, Eastern Province Saudi Arabia9 Threads 2 Polls 1,295 Posts
gardenhackle: 1. Ant society is as close to communism as occurs in the natural world. There is the queen, which equates to the head of the communist party and the rest of the organisms within the social structure have no individual property and all work for the "common good" of the society. I could just naysay your naysaying, but I'd rather support what I have to say with reasoned thought. Naysaying isn't an argument.


I quote wiki: Not all ants have the same kind of societies. The Australian bulldog ants are among the biggest and most basal of ants. Like virtually all ants they are eusocial, but their social behaviour is poorly developed compared to other species. Each individual hunts alone, using its large eyes instead of its chemical senses to find prey.

gardenhackle: 2. Our superior brains certainly have helped put us at the top of the food chain but our competitiveness is linked directly to that superior brain. Dolphins have "superior brains" among the animal kingdom and aren't the "kings of the sea", ruling everything, so superior intellect alone does not cause a species to dominate - dominant attitude and character do. It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.


Dolphins have marginally superior brains in their habitat. Humans have vastly superior brains. Even if humans are competitive, it doesn't have to be with regards to private property and money. Native Americans are an example. Greed is certainly in our societies, maybe in our genes.

gardenhackle: 3. To deny that humans are the dominant species on this planet is to deny reality. While everything plays a role in the ecosystem, it's asinine to assert that bees might be the dominant species since they are responsible for the vast majority of pollination at this point in time. That might make them a "critical link" in the chain but it simply isn't rational to assert that means they could be argued to be the dominant species.


You have no argument here. Yes, humans have spread everywhere, but so have ants. Each of us may kill 100 ants, and they would still vastly outnumber us.

gardenhackle: 4. I did in no way imply that money is the ONLY thing that motivates people to work. That's your strawman. Beat it, burn it, stomp on the ashes and all you've done is destroy a fallacy of your own creation; not mine.


Here is what you said: Communism is like competition in reverse; a "race" to see who can run the slowest because those who do the least get the greatest reward in a society where all are rewarded equally. For you, reward=financial reward. I pointed out that there are many other kinds of rewards that compel people to work. Artists, intellectuals and scientists were examples of people who are mainly motivated by non-financial rewards.
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Sep 15, 2010 2:16 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
Funny that in communism the people still struggle to have more
over others, even if it means to do as little as possible. drinking
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Sep 15, 2010 2:16 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
deadbutwhy
deadbutwhydeadbutwhyeast, Eastern Province Saudi Arabia9 Threads 2 Polls 1,295 Posts
gardenhackle: 7. Whether, as you say, many families are one major medical crisis away from bankruptcy has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that we have a HUGE middle class. That was an irrational argument.


In a communist country, people do not worry about health costs, even if health care is not top-notch. In the US, nearly 2/3 of bankruptcies are because of medical bills. Many of these folks are hard working, so according to your logic, they should be making lots of money. However, they end up with nothing. BTW, I have some statistics you may like:

83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people.
• 61 percent of Americans "always or usually" live paycheck to paycheck, which was up from 49 percent in 2008 and 43 percent in 2007.
• 66 percent of the income growth between 2001 and 2007 went to the top 1% of all Americans.
• 36 percent of Americans say that they don't contribute anything to retirement savings.
• A staggering 43 percent of Americans have less than $10,000 saved up for retirement.
• 24 percent of American workers say that they have postponed their planned retirement age in the past year.
• Over 1.4 million Americans filed for personal bankruptcy in 2009, which represented a 32 percent increase over 2008.
• Only the top 5 percent of U.S. households have earned enough additional income to match the rise in housing costs since 1975.
• For the first time in U.S. history, banks own a greater share of residential housing net worth in the United States than all individual Americans put together.
• In 1950, the ratio of the average executive's paycheck to the average worker's paycheck was about 30 to 1. Since the year 2000, that ratio has exploded to between 300 to 500 to one.
• As of 2007, the bottom 80 percent of American households held about 7% of the liquid financial assets.
• The bottom 50 percent of income earners in the United States now collectively own less than 1 percent of the nation’s wealth.
• In the United States, the average federal worker now earns 60% MORE than the average worker in the private sector.
• The top 1 percent of U.S. households own nearly twice as much of America's corporate wealth as they did just 15 years ago.
• In America today, the average time needed to find a job has risen to a record 35.2 weeks.
• More than 40 percent of Americans who actually are employed are now working in service jobs, which are often very low paying.
• or the first time in U.S. history, more than 40 million Americans are on food stamps, and the U.S. Department of Agriculture projects that number will go up to 43 million Americans in 2011.
• Approximately 21 percent of all children in the United States are living below the poverty line in 2010 - the highest rate in 20 years.
• Despite the financial crisis, the number of millionaires in the United States rose a whopping 16 percent to 7.8 million in 2009.
• The top 10 percent of Americans now earn around 50 percent of our national income.

gardenhackle: 8. What about the trade embargo with the US? Trade with all other countries is wide open for Cuba and still the residents live in abject poverty. Russia, China and North Korea are all excellent examples of countries where communism ...


Quote: November 13, 2002. For the 11th straight year, the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly approves a resolution asking the US to end the 40-plus-years embargo against Cuba. The vote is 173 in favor of the resolution and 3 against (US, Israel, Marshall Islands), with no abstentions. European nations expressed objection to the embargo, citing US penalties on countries and companies doing business with Cuba as "extraterritorial," and saying that the embargo is a bilateral issue between the US and Cuba and should not be imposed on others.

Russia is an authoritarian capitalistic country, and so is China in the most part.
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Sep 15, 2010 2:21 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
I really don't think your statistics are accurate, particularly those regarding bankruptcies and stocks. There's probably more, but I stopped after those two since I figured it would be a waste of time to read on.

Can you back them up?
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Sep 15, 2010 2:26 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
WhatUwish4: I really don't think your statistics are accurate, particularly those regarding bankruptcies and stocks. There's probably more, but I stopped after those two since I figured it would be a waste of time to read on.

Can you back them up?


No. His post supports the theory that 87.5 percent of all statistics are made up on the spot.
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Sep 15, 2010 2:28 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
deadbutwhy
deadbutwhydeadbutwhyeast, Eastern Province Saudi Arabia9 Threads 2 Polls 1,295 Posts
WhatUwish4: I really don't think your statistics are accurate, particularly those regarding bankruptcies and stocks. There's probably more, but I stopped after those two since I figured it would be a waste of time to read on.

Can you back them up?
Here is the source:
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Sep 15, 2010 2:29 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts


Thanks. I'll check it out. Still very doubtful though. I wonder if he counted in all the 401K employee plans that are invested in stocks?
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Sep 15, 2010 2:29 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
well they say the rich get richer and the poor poorer.
I do not think this can go on forever as the earth resources
are depleted.
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Sep 15, 2010 2:29 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
deadbutwhy: Quote: November 13, 2002. For the 11th straight year, the UN General Assembly overwhelmingly approves a resolution asking the US to end the 40-plus-years embargo against Cuba. The vote is 173 in favor of the resolution and 3 against (US, Israel, Marshall Islands), with no abstentions. European nations expressed objection to the embargo, citing US penalties on countries and companies doing business with Cuba as "extraterritorial," and saying that the embargo is a bilateral issue between the US and Cuba and should not be imposed on others.


Thank you for supporting my argument that the only Embargo on Cuba is with the United States. At this point, you'll either have to argue that any country that doesn't trade with the United States languishes in poverty because of it (proving the success and strength of our capitalist economy) - or you have to accept that it's not the US sanctions that are responsible for the poverty level of Cuban citizens under the communist regime of Fidel Castro.
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Sep 15, 2010 2:31 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
agman: well they say the rich get richer and the poor poorer.


They say that a fool and his money are soon parted, too. And that saying explains the one you posted.
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Sep 15, 2010 2:41 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
I agree as I was in line at a grocery store recently to observe
a lady buying all kinds of crap with food stamps. The grocery
store made off well as the public in general paid for her crap.
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Sep 15, 2010 2:42 PM CST COMMUNISME OR KAPITALISME ?
deadbutwhy
deadbutwhydeadbutwhyeast, Eastern Province Saudi Arabia9 Threads 2 Polls 1,295 Posts
gardenhackle:
If you're going to post a statistic, you need to back it up and I'm challenging your "16%" unemployment statistic. Granted, things have gotten pretty damned bad with Obama at the helm, but I haven't been able to find any credible statistic of 16 percent unemployment.
I talked about unemployment/underemployment. Here is one link:
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