The London riots and the attack on Prince Charles (307)
Blues63: Send in Cherie Blair, she would!
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Raynew1959: The way I see it, if someone wishes to further their education after high school, they should pay for it, not the government.
Well, I think universities need to be government funded to start with, the reliance on students' admission fees has caused the whole dilemma.
I seriously think that too many are seduced into studying without having the academic skills to do so, therefore the old system of earning a place at a university, based on excellent A-level results, should be put back in place.
Unfortunately, universities have been turned into businesses and now operate as such, which means they accept anyone for any fancy degree they can come up with, while totally disregarding the link to future employment. The whole system is out of whack, and the students and their parents are paying for it more than dearly. I can understand why they're protesting.
The other thing is that students, who pay these huge amounts and know that they will end up in debt, EXPECT to receive a degree at the end of their three years, as a payout for their investment.
That means that the teaching staff often have to prepare their students for the exams, instead of educating them in their chosen field, which inevitably resulted in a drop in academic standards. But nowadays it seems more important to retain as many customers as possible. Yes, students are no longer people in education, they are now being seen as paying customers, and that's just totally wrong.
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I am not sure if it is mentioned anywhere in this thread but Nick Clegg promised his Party would not raise tuition fees, so even he admits going back on his word.
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Blues63: Rioting mobs aren't logical
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invinciblemuse: Well, I think universities need to be government funded to start with, the reliance on students' admission fees has caused the whole dilemma.
I seriously think that too many are seduced into studying without having the academic skills to do so, therefore the old system of earning a place at a university, based on excellent A-level results, should be put back in place.
Unfortunately, universities have been turned into businesses and now operate as such, which means they accept anyone for any fancy degree they can come up with, while totally disregarding the link to future employment. The whole system is out of whack, and the students and their parents are paying for it more than dearly. I can understand why they're protesting.
The other thing is that students, who pay these huge amounts and know that they will end up in debt, EXPECT to receive a degree at the end of their three years, as a payout for their investment.
That means that the teaching staff often have to prepare their students for the exams, instead of educating them in their chosen field, which inevitably resulted in a drop in academic standards. But nowadays it seems more important to retain as many customers as possible. Yes, students are no longer people in education, they are now being seen as paying customers, and that's just totally wrong.
I seriously think that too many are seduced into studying without having the academic skills to do so, therefore the old system of earning a place at a university, based on excellent A-level results, should be put back in place.
Unfortunately, universities have been turned into businesses and now operate as such, which means they accept anyone for any fancy degree they can come up with, while totally disregarding the link to future employment. The whole system is out of whack, and the students and their parents are paying for it more than dearly. I can understand why they're protesting.
The other thing is that students, who pay these huge amounts and know that they will end up in debt, EXPECT to receive a degree at the end of their three years, as a payout for their investment.
That means that the teaching staff often have to prepare their students for the exams, instead of educating them in their chosen field, which inevitably resulted in a drop in academic standards. But nowadays it seems more important to retain as many customers as possible. Yes, students are no longer people in education, they are now being seen as paying customers, and that's just totally wrong.
I couldnt put it any better if i tried!
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time4fun4u: I couldnt put it any better if i tried!
You helped! 
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leostartingover: The whole northern hemisphere seems to be freezing and here we are all hot and steamy!
I'd make a comment here usually leo, but you're too much of a lady to deserve such
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time4fun4u: The royals have a lot of protection,but on many occasions,they choose not to go overboard with it,so as to appear more relaxed with the people.
Bullet proof glass can be broken.It is designed to stop a snipers bullet,or a close range attack.Its construction is differant,the same as a bullet proof vest,will not stop a knife.
Bullet proof glass can be broken.It is designed to stop a snipers bullet,or a close range attack.Its construction is differant,the same as a bullet proof vest,will not stop a knife.
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RDM59: There is a large anarchist element infiltrating these student demonstrations, they are coming prepared for violence, unlike the real students that are involved.
Many students voted for the Lib/Dems who promised in their manifesto NOT to increase student fees. The lib/dems have gone back on their word in order to get into coalition government with the conservatives. They are liers and won't be getting any future votes from the young. Very short sighted IMO but hey, they got into power, job done !
To jeopardize the education of our students is a crime IMO, with China producing 4 million graduates a year we have to compete more, not less !
As for the Royal car being attacked, why it was allowed in that area beggars belief. More incompetence basically .....
Many students voted for the Lib/Dems who promised in their manifesto NOT to increase student fees. The lib/dems have gone back on their word in order to get into coalition government with the conservatives. They are liers and won't be getting any future votes from the young. Very short sighted IMO but hey, they got into power, job done !
To jeopardize the education of our students is a crime IMO, with China producing 4 million graduates a year we have to compete more, not less !
As for the Royal car being attacked, why it was allowed in that area beggars belief. More incompetence basically .....
Anyone participating on this thread should take those two paragraphs into account. Because therein lies the problem.
Some people have jumped on the bandwagon with their own agenda and do not give a damn about the students and the reasons why they took to the streets of London yesterday demonstrating.
This country and how it is run will change dramatically over the next couple of years. What happened yesterday is just the start of it.
If people get pissed off in this country they will turn to the streets and let it be known.
Good post R.
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Veritaas: Anyone participating on this thread should take those two paragraphs into account. Because therein lies the problem.
Some people have jumped on the bandwagon with their own agenda and do not give a damn about the students and the reasons why they took to the streets of London yesterday demonstrating.
This country and how it is run will change dramatically over the next couple of years. What happened yesterday is just the start of it.
If people get pissed off in this country they will turn to the streets and let it be known.
Good post R.
Some people have jumped on the bandwagon with their own agenda and do not give a damn about the students and the reasons why they took to the streets of London yesterday demonstrating.
This country and how it is run will change dramatically over the next couple of years. What happened yesterday is just the start of it.
If people get pissed off in this country they will turn to the streets and let it be known.
Good post R.
Amazing really how even though our political systems are different, they are still very much the same. Sadly this has happened here as well with the Tea Party (which is why I refuse to support them) in a sense. It really was hijacked by anyone that had a grievance against the government and they really have alot of fringe elements in it , that they need to seperate themselves from.
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Its actually to keep education elitest.... the Torys like to
keep the working class ignorant...
keep the working class ignorant...
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invinciblemuse: Well, I think universities need to be government funded to start with, the reliance on students' admission fees has caused the whole dilemma.
I seriously think that too many are seduced into studying without having the academic skills to do so, therefore the old system of earning a place at a university, based on excellent A-level results, should be put back in place.
Unfortunately, universities have been turned into businesses and now operate as such, which means they accept anyone for any fancy degree they can come up with, while totally disregarding the link to future employment. The whole system is out of whack, and the students and their parents are paying for it more than dearly. I can understand why they're protesting.
The other thing is that students, who pay these huge amounts and know that they will end up in debt, EXPECT to receive a degree at the end of their three years, as a payout for their investment.
That means that the teaching staff often have to prepare their students for the exams, instead of educating them in their chosen field, which inevitably resulted in a drop in academic standards. But nowadays it seems more important to retain as many customers as possible. Yes, students are no longer people in education, they are now being seen as paying customers, and that's just totally wrong.
I seriously think that too many are seduced into studying without having the academic skills to do so, therefore the old system of earning a place at a university, based on excellent A-level results, should be put back in place.
Unfortunately, universities have been turned into businesses and now operate as such, which means they accept anyone for any fancy degree they can come up with, while totally disregarding the link to future employment. The whole system is out of whack, and the students and their parents are paying for it more than dearly. I can understand why they're protesting.
The other thing is that students, who pay these huge amounts and know that they will end up in debt, EXPECT to receive a degree at the end of their three years, as a payout for their investment.
That means that the teaching staff often have to prepare their students for the exams, instead of educating them in their chosen field, which inevitably resulted in a drop in academic standards. But nowadays it seems more important to retain as many customers as possible. Yes, students are no longer people in education, they are now being seen as paying customers, and that's just totally wrong.
great post
You are so correct. I have 2 kids, one who completed his degree and fortunately has a great job that is actually based on what he studied, which nowdays isnt as easy to get as should be. The second is just applying now. The debts they are left with are tremendous. So whilst I don't agree with kids having to fund their own education (or rather kids parents) it may well put a stop to those wanting to do ridiculous things such as a degree in David Beckham..WFT that involves God knows, but it was on one universities list.
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They broke out the window in Prince Charles’s car, kicked his automobile and splattered white paint on the trunk.
naughty of me i know but i just don't like the guy after what he did to his first wife
naughty of me i know but i just don't like the guy after what he did to his first wife
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solsticemoon: great post
You are so correct. I have 2 kids, one who completed his degree and fortunately has a great job that is actually based on what he studied, which nowdays isnt as easy to get as should be. The second is just applying now. The debts they are left with are tremendous. So whilst I don't agree with kids having to fund their own education (or rather kids parents) it may well put a stop to those wanting to do ridiculous things such as a degree in David Beckham..WFT that involves God knows, but it was on one universities list.
You are so correct. I have 2 kids, one who completed his degree and fortunately has a great job that is actually based on what he studied, which nowdays isnt as easy to get as should be. The second is just applying now. The debts they are left with are tremendous. So whilst I don't agree with kids having to fund their own education (or rather kids parents) it may well put a stop to those wanting to do ridiculous things such as a degree in David Beckham..WFT that involves God knows, but it was on one universities list.
I thought, when I first heard about it years ago, the David Beckham degree was a joke. Sadly, it wasn't...
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It just shows how unhappy people are with the sham of democracy that we have, were the rich and powerful go untouched and the poor have to suffer for the mistakes of the rich. I say more power to the protestors but in a peacful disobedient way. Violence only leads to more violence and the establishment are capable of more violence than the public and they control most of ther media so will any spin they like on the events!!
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greenbouy: It just shows how unhappy people are with the sham of democracy that we have, were the rich and powerful go untouched and the poor have to suffer for the mistakes of the rich. I say more power to the protestors but in a peacful disobedient way. Violence only leads to more violence and the establishment are capable of more violence than the public and they control most of ther media so will any spin they like on the events!!
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Veritaas: Anyone participating on this thread should take those two paragraphs into account. Because therein lies the problem.
Some people have jumped on the bandwagon with their own agenda and do not give a damn about the students and the reasons why they took to the streets of London yesterday demonstrating.
This country and how it is run will change dramatically over the next couple of years. What happened yesterday is just the start of it.
If people get pissed off in this country they will turn to the streets and let it be known.
Good post R.
Some people have jumped on the bandwagon with their own agenda and do not give a damn about the students and the reasons why they took to the streets of London yesterday demonstrating.
This country and how it is run will change dramatically over the next couple of years. What happened yesterday is just the start of it.
If people get pissed off in this country they will turn to the streets and let it be known.
Good post R.
Twas always thus, I remember protesting for vaious causes, properly organised protests (organised with the police) only to have our protests hijacked by extremists, although I had my suspicions at the time the marches were hijacked to discredit such activities in the eyes of the public. All our protests were videod by the police, wish I could get hold of some of their footage
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greenbouy: It just shows how unhappy people are with the sham of democracy that we have, were the rich and powerful go untouched and the poor have to suffer for the mistakes of the rich. I say more power to the protestors but in a peacful disobedient way. Violence only leads to more violence and the establishment are capable of more violence than the public and they control most of ther media so will any spin they like on the events!!
Sadly, sometimes violence is the only way to get the message out and to properly express how pissed off you truly are.
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Prince Charles security otganisation are to blame for him being in the area of a protest in the first place. The police knew well in advance.
As for rioting, it's happening all over Europe. Greece, Ireland, Spain....Just wait for Italy! Strange times indeed! If China ever recalls it's debts, you'll see the same in the US!
As for rioting, it's happening all over Europe. Greece, Ireland, Spain....Just wait for Italy! Strange times indeed! If China ever recalls it's debts, you'll see the same in the US!
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They want to be seen as the peoples royalty.
Not an easy situation for the security forces though,but its hard to tell a member of the Royal family to sod off!
Send in Cherie Blair, she would!