The London riots and the attack on Prince Charles (307)
johnaustin123: The London riots and the attack on Prince Charles
(4) Members of the British Police were critically injured.
I have a live feed from London, so I can watch this live.
The riot is about the raise in student tuition in Great Britain.
They broke out the window in Prince Charles’s car, kicked his automobile and splattered white paint on the trunk.
They smashed windows at Government buildings in downtown London.
I couldn't believe that British Horses are also helping the British Police.
What do you think about this?
London Riot: Tory HQ smashed by British students
(4) Members of the British Police were critically injured.
I have a live feed from London, so I can watch this live.
The riot is about the raise in student tuition in Great Britain.
They broke out the window in Prince Charles’s car, kicked his automobile and splattered white paint on the trunk.
They smashed windows at Government buildings in downtown London.
I couldn't believe that British Horses are also helping the British Police.
What do you think about this?
London Riot: Tory HQ smashed by British students
Many British student's are an inferior mob and not an intellectual elite, many have said that for years.
I'm glad the government doesn't consider it right to make a shelfstacker on minimum wage support a mediocre student studying sports sceince at a university anybody could get a place in.
Make university free for all by only allowing the finest minds to go there - bring back the idea that further education is for intelligent people, problem solved.
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PS: If Ocean finds his way to this thread (doubtful) and starts hurling insults at me......will someone please tell him I am not speaking to him today, or any other day, for the rest of my life!!!!!!
Thank You!!
Thank You!!
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RDM59: There is a large anarchist element infiltrating these student demonstrations, they are coming prepared for violence, unlike the real students that are involved.
Many students voted for the Lib/Dems who promised in their manifesto NOT to increase student fees. The lib/dems have gone back on their word in order to get into coalition government with the conservatives. They are liers and won't be getting any future votes from the young. Very short sighted IMO but hey, they got into power, job done !
To jeopardize the education of our students is a crime IMO, with China producing 4 million graduates a year we have to compete more, not less !
As for the Royal car being attacked, why it was allowed in that area beggars belief. More incompetence basically .....
Many students voted for the Lib/Dems who promised in their manifesto NOT to increase student fees. The lib/dems have gone back on their word in order to get into coalition government with the conservatives. They are liers and won't be getting any future votes from the young. Very short sighted IMO but hey, they got into power, job done !
To jeopardize the education of our students is a crime IMO, with China producing 4 million graduates a year we have to compete more, not less !
As for the Royal car being attacked, why it was allowed in that area beggars belief. More incompetence basically .....
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RDM59: There is a large anarchist element infiltrating these student demonstrations, they are coming prepared for violence, unlike the real students that are involved.
Many students voted for the Lib/Dems who promised in their manifesto NOT to increase student fees. The lib/dems have gone back on their word in order to get into coalition government with the conservatives. They are liers and won't be getting any future votes from the young. Very short sighted IMO but hey, they got into power, job done !
To jeopardize the education of our students is a crime IMO, with China producing 4 million graduates a year we have to compete more, not less !
As for the Royal car being attacked, why it was allowed in that area beggars belief. More incompetence basically .....
Many students voted for the Lib/Dems who promised in their manifesto NOT to increase student fees. The lib/dems have gone back on their word in order to get into coalition government with the conservatives. They are liers and won't be getting any future votes from the young. Very short sighted IMO but hey, they got into power, job done !
To jeopardize the education of our students is a crime IMO, with China producing 4 million graduates a year we have to compete more, not less !
As for the Royal car being attacked, why it was allowed in that area beggars belief. More incompetence basically .....
Absolutely spot on RDM
The many times a manifesto is set out BEFORE an election then renaged upon AFTER are too many to mention. Nick Clegg was anti any changes ,jumped into bed with the Conservatives and did a U turn.
The differences in the voting was about 20 odd so certainly not an out and out victory and at a huge cost in more ways than one.Am I wrong in thinking these fees do not apply in Scotland?
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TrueBlue1986: Many British student's are an inferior mob and not an intellectual elite, many have said that for years.
I'm glad the government doesn't consider it right to make a shelfstacker on minimum wage support a mediocre student studying sports sceince at a university anybody could get a place in.
Make university free for all by only allowing the finest minds to go there - bring back the idea that further education is for intelligent people, problem solved.
I'm glad the government doesn't consider it right to make a shelfstacker on minimum wage support a mediocre student studying sports sceince at a university anybody could get a place in.
Make university free for all by only allowing the finest minds to go there - bring back the idea that further education is for intelligent people, problem solved.
Good points.
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TrueBlue1986: Many British student's are an inferior mob and not an intellectual elite, many have said that for years.
I'm glad the government doesn't consider it right to make a shelfstacker on minimum wage support a mediocre student studying sports sceince at a university anybody could get a place in.
Make university free for all by only allowing the finest minds to go there - bring back the idea that further education is for intelligent people, problem solved.
Lots of those Demos are hijacked by Outsiders with totally different Agendas!I'm glad the government doesn't consider it right to make a shelfstacker on minimum wage support a mediocre student studying sports sceince at a university anybody could get a place in.
Make university free for all by only allowing the finest minds to go there - bring back the idea that further education is for intelligent people, problem solved.
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Conrad73: Lots of those Demos are hijacked by Outsiders with totally different Agendas!
Spoiling a demonstration that the students felt was for a legitimate reason.
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Veritaas: Spoiling a demonstration that the students felt was for a legitimate reason.
It is being done here everytime at Meetings of International Bodies,or the 1th of May is a favorite one of all the Extreme Left and Right Splintergroups!They regularly come to blows.
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leigh2154: Am jumping in late here, just want to say, read complete thread this AM. Best reply so far and one that mirrors my own, is INVINCIBLE Speaking on violence, never acceptable, counter productive to say the least.
Now on my home front, US seriously lacking in education arena for many years now, and from ground floor up. Even if an American citizen is fortunate enough to afford higher ed without incurring a lifetime of debt, must now compete with other countries whose educated come here to work due to lack of jobs in their country. Those we compete bring more to the table because their education is far superior to ours.
Higher ed (Bachelor Degree) should be on the taxpayer dollar, except for students who participate in televised sports, that should be paid for by media with money rec'd from advertising. Anyting after that (Masters, PHD) should be discretionary i.e.math and science, grades and qualifications, need. Liberal Arts should self pay.
Also, and last, after reading this thread, it should be obvious to all, if you follow the trail back far enough, you will find, once again, another riot has been stimulated by govt's incessant lies!!!
Now on my home front, US seriously lacking in education arena for many years now, and from ground floor up. Even if an American citizen is fortunate enough to afford higher ed without incurring a lifetime of debt, must now compete with other countries whose educated come here to work due to lack of jobs in their country. Those we compete bring more to the table because their education is far superior to ours.
Higher ed (Bachelor Degree) should be on the taxpayer dollar, except for students who participate in televised sports, that should be paid for by media with money rec'd from advertising. Anyting after that (Masters, PHD) should be discretionary i.e.math and science, grades and qualifications, need. Liberal Arts should self pay.
Also, and last, after reading this thread, it should be obvious to all, if you follow the trail back far enough, you will find, once again, another riot has been stimulated by govt's incessant lies!!!
While I can respect your opinion Madam, I have to ask how this is about America? To my knowledge this is about the student riots in LONDON and the attack on Prince Charles?? Not a commentary on the American school system, Now if you dont mind I was quite enjoying the debate amoungst the peeps that you know, actually live there and are affected by this
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invinciblemuse: Well, I think universities need to be government funded to start with, the reliance on students' admission fees has caused the whole dilemma.
I seriously think that too many are seduced into studying without having the academic skills to do so, therefore the old system of earning a place at a university, based on excellent A-level results, should be put back in place.
Unfortunately, universities have been turned into businesses and now operate as such, which means they accept anyone for any fancy degree they can come up with, while totally disregarding the link to future employment. The whole system is out of whack, and the students and their parents are paying for it more than dearly. I can understand why they're protesting.
The other thing is that students, who pay these huge amounts and know that they will end up in debt, EXPECT to receive a degree at the end of their three years, as a payout for their investment.
That means that the teaching staff often have to prepare their students for the exams, instead of educating them in their chosen field, which inevitably resulted in a drop in academic standards. But nowadays it seems more important to retain as many customers as possible. Yes, students are no longer people in education, they are now being seen as paying customers, and that's just totally wrong.
I seriously think that too many are seduced into studying without having the academic skills to do so, therefore the old system of earning a place at a university, based on excellent A-level results, should be put back in place.
Unfortunately, universities have been turned into businesses and now operate as such, which means they accept anyone for any fancy degree they can come up with, while totally disregarding the link to future employment. The whole system is out of whack, and the students and their parents are paying for it more than dearly. I can understand why they're protesting.
The other thing is that students, who pay these huge amounts and know that they will end up in debt, EXPECT to receive a degree at the end of their three years, as a payout for their investment.
That means that the teaching staff often have to prepare their students for the exams, instead of educating them in their chosen field, which inevitably resulted in a drop in academic standards. But nowadays it seems more important to retain as many customers as possible. Yes, students are no longer people in education, they are now being seen as paying customers, and that's just totally wrong.
Very well said Muse
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galrads: You can't be serious?
As serious as a heart attack.
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Albertaghost: Car and windows were bulletproof, not enraged freaked out entitlist mob proof.
No anti ballistic equipment fitted to that car whatsoever.
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invinciblemuse: I thought, when I first heard about it years ago, the David Beckham degree was a joke. Sadly, it wasn't...
No, i knew a lad that was studying "beetology", this is the study of the beetnick era. He was the only one on the course,with his own tutor.He took a year off to try to start a rock band,and if it failed,would return to his course.A few years a go in the uk,a woman,thick as two short planks obtained a degree in soap operas.
Sorry,i am not paying for these type of people.
As you point out,its time universities only took people with good grades at school,and selected courses which are usefull in the future.The goverment then could cover these costs.
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bodleing: No anti ballistic equipment fitted to that car whatsoever.
It is referred to as an 'armored vehicle' in most reports. This one here supports your statement yet also calls it an 'armored vehicle.'
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Conrad73: Lots of those Demos are hijacked by Outsiders with totally different Agendas!
In a sense yea, I don't for a second consider the average wet-behind-the-ears student to be behind the violence. However there's a strong self-righteous feeling amongst the students(there was one when I was there too), and a feeling that they can take and do anything they want to society, as they inherently feel they have the right to slack-off at everybody elses expense - so i'm not suprised to see this spoilt behaviour amongst the protests, as it's endemic to British student's attitude itself.
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johnaustin123: The London riots and the attack on Prince Charles
(4) Members of the British Police were critically injured.
I have a live feed from London, so I can watch this live.
The riot is about the raise in student tuition in Great Britain.
They broke out the window in Prince Charles’s car, kicked his automobile and splattered white paint on the trunk.
They smashed windows at Government buildings in downtown London.
I couldn't believe that British Horses are also helping the British Police.
What do you think about this?
London Riot: Tory HQ smashed by British students
(4) Members of the British Police were critically injured.
I have a live feed from London, so I can watch this live.
The riot is about the raise in student tuition in Great Britain.
They broke out the window in Prince Charles’s car, kicked his automobile and splattered white paint on the trunk.
They smashed windows at Government buildings in downtown London.
I couldn't believe that British Horses are also helping the British Police.
What do you think about this?
London Riot: Tory HQ smashed by British students
sadly you do get a lot of people that get involved with protests because they are just looking for a fight. With the tuition fees when my sister went to college etc my parents did not get any help from the gvmt so if you decide you want to go to uni then its up to you to pay for it. Come on these students wont have to pay anything back untill they are earning 20,000 pounds plus a year hard life isnt it start living in the real world students.
like i say whatever me and my sister had our parents had to foot the bill.
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That is where it is better than the last Government where the level was £15,00 per annum salary before paying back, although of course with a 100% to 200% fee rise overall it is worse. £20,000 is nothing really. A low salary for a 21 year old with a degree. And I believe the payback is nine per cent of the salary. It is hard enough getting on the houing purchase ladder and will be even harder now.
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Wow_Factor: That is where it is better than the last Government where the level was £15,00 per annum salary before paying back, although of course with a 100% to 200% fee rise overall it is worse. £20,000 is nothing really. A low salary for a 21 year old with a degree. And I believe the payback is nine per cent of the salary. It is hard enough getting on the houing purchase ladder and will be even harder now.
You couldn't raise it to any more then £20,000 though, it is bad enough at that already. As for every student who fails to pay back the loan the banking system suffers, and as we have learnt through experience of late that when the banks suffer, we suffer. Encouraging more borrowing to enter university - given that there is every chance the money won't be paid back - is the recipe for another banking collapse.
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An organized refusal to sign up for classes would work better than violent protests. If there are no paying students, the schools shut down, professors are unemployed, and the education system fails. To prevent this, prices will be reduced. If students really want to keep the prices down, they need to refuse to sign up for classes next term unless the prices are reduced.
Violence is never the best answer. Besides, they could all probably use a few months off school.
Violence is never the best answer. Besides, they could all probably use a few months off school.
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Now on my home front, US seriously lacking in education arena for many years now, and from ground floor up. Even if an American citizen is fortunate enough to afford higher ed without incurring a lifetime of debt, must now compete with other countries whose educated come here to work due to lack of jobs in their country. Those we compete bring more to the table because their education is far superior to ours.
Higher ed (Bachelor Degree) should be on the taxpayer dollar, except for students who participate in televised sports, that should be paid for by media with money rec'd from advertising. Anyting after that (Masters, PHD) should be discretionary i.e.math and science, grades and qualifications, need. Liberal Arts should self pay.
Also, and last, after reading this thread, it should be obvious to all, if you follow the trail back far enough, you will find, once again, another riot has been stimulated by govt's incessant lies!!!