craig63: to be honest trish i dont know about alcohol. from my own experience my mother had an operation and could not wear a seat belt for a while so she had to take the doctors certificate to the traffico who confirmed that the information was correct and obtained a permission of circulation from traffico to drive without wearing a seat belt for 6 months i think it was. here if you are under any medication you must obtain a doctors certificate stating the medication and the reasons for being on it so if the taffico stop you you have official paperwork which enables you to drive while on the medication. if you go to the chemist and buy anything that states on the label do not drive while taking this medication because it may cause sideaffects etc as far as the traffico are concerned you should not be driving. if you have a skinful of booze then drive to work the next day and you are stopped and found to be over the limit then you are done for drinking and driving that is not a medical condition that is just stupidity.
Yes but the laws dont stop the idiots do they There will always be idiots on the roads.......
I dont know if people here even get asked if they are on medication ifthey get pulled up - I never have anything to do with that side of things
when i lived in estepona, and the police pulled you over for being drunk, all you did, was get money out of a hole in the wall bank machine, give it to them, and they'd disappear into the night. how's renaldo's?
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
maxicherokee: when i lived in estepona, and the police pulled you over for being drunk, all you did, was get money out of a hole in the wall bank machine, give it to them, and they'd disappear into the night. how's renaldo's?
trish123: Yes but the laws dont stop the idiots do they There will always be idiots on the roads.......
I dont know if people here even get asked if they are on medication ifthey get pulled up - I never have anything to do with that side of things
you will always get the idiots trish no matter what you do or what the laws are. it sometimes can be a mindfield here because the spanish love official paperwork another example if you want to fit a toebar on your car here you have to have it done by an official toebar centre take the receipt to traffico who check to make sure it is fitted correctly and then it is put on the cars reg documents that a toebar was fitted to this vehicle by this centre on this date and when you take the car for its mot test they check the toebar for correct operation and if you have the toebar removed you do the same in reverse. it drives you crazy sometimes but thats the law.
no, not me. but i've been in the company of others where this has happened. i used to get a cab down to the marina, and eat at sacha's then go to that bar at the back of the tower, cant remember the name of it now. estepona was rife with drugs, i do miss it though.
maxicherokee: when i lived in estepona, and the police pulled you over for being drunk, all you did, was get money out of a hole in the wall bank machine, give it to them, and they'd disappear into the night. how's renaldo's?
never hand over money to the police or traffico anywhere in spain without getting a receipt. i got a parking ticket a while ago and the copper said you can pay the fine now to me if you wish i said thats ok but i want a receipt and i still have the receipt and will never throw it away.
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
maxicherokee: no, not me. but i've been in the company of others where this has happened. i used to get a cab down to the marina, and eat at sacha's then go to that bar at the back of the tower, cant remember the name of it now. estepona was rife with drugs, i do miss it though.
Sorry, I just wondered by the way you worded your post.
maxicherokee: no, not me. but i've been in the company of others where this has happened. i used to get a cab down to the marina, and eat at sacha's then go to that bar at the back of the tower, cant remember the name of it now. estepona was rife with drugs, i do miss it though.
estepona now is much better because of the new powers the police have and the fines etc being very harsh and much more police about at night especially in summer. to be honest i prefer estepona to marbella.
craig63: you will always get the idiots trish no matter what you do or what the laws are. it sometimes can be a mindfield here because the spanish love official paperwork another example if you want to fit a toebar on your car here you have to have it done by an official toebar centre take the receipt to traffico who check to make sure it is fitted correctly and then it is put on the cars reg documents that a toebar was fitted to this vehicle by this centre on this date and when you take the car for its mot test they check the toebar for correct operation and if you have the toebar removed you do the same in reverse. it drives you crazy sometimes but thats the law.
Makes you wonder for who's benefit the laws are made doesnt it at times
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs. A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed. This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
craig63: your right, there is a huge court case going on at the moment in Malaga with police, mayors, judges and lawyers who have been arrested for corruption and they are asking for 30 years in prison. but coruption has been going on in all countries for many years its just that now its all coming out in the open and sadly again in all countries the police are sometimes the biggest criminals.
woohoo128staring at the moon somewhere, Essex, England UK5,081 posts
ooby_dooby: Step 1, Stop thinking of it as a war.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs. A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed. This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
will you could always send them to me and I will destroy them honestly
trish123: They start out on heroin these days though - its there in the school yards for any who want to try....... and alcohol too, my local village is becoming a no go area for some on a saturday night and this is a really quiet area, inner cities are crumbling dens of disorder - it really is getting that bad here.
I hate, loath and detest powder drugs and truly, nobody wishes more than me that they were less easily available. Its a mistake to class them in with Cannabis though, they just see that as an also ran, they get it if theres any dosh left over after scoring the rocks and the booze........
Perhaps there will be anarchy on the streets before much longer - I said not on a thread a couple of weeks ago but perhaps I was wrong.........
Bumping the red bit for any who may have misconstrued my words.......
Albertaghost: That said, a person who profits by selling death will find a way to sell death in other forms be it guns, muggings or anything but a job.
Good thread though with some unique ideas that are valid.
Case in Point! Bahamas! When it got too dicey running Drugs,they got into Gambling,Illegal Firearms running Illegal Immigrants,or just a few armed Robberies,anything to keep up the Life-Style they were used to!
ooby_dooby: There is a societal difference between alcohol and cigarettes vs cocaine and heroin at the present time. It's a double standard which has its roots not in scientific fact but in politics. I agree, there's little difference in the damage done by alcohol vs snorting cocaine or mainlining heroin. The big difference is there is no huge black market in alcohol or tobacco products sustaining drug trafficers with Billions of dollars. Anybody over 21 can walk into a store and buy booze and cigs You don't need a prescription.
One of the differences I proposed was making drugs readily available to addicts by prescription with certain strings attached. The physical exam should include a hair folicle test to certify they are in fact a long term drug user.
The present situation is like the tax code. It has been made excedingly complicated over decades by politicians lawyers and bureaucrats. Is there something wrong with a simple solution?
There's a line in my profile that says one of my talents is finding "simple solutions to complex problems" and I have had this ability all my life. If you strip away all the fluff and the noise and the distractions and the emotion and crap and focus on the elemental parts, there is no problem that can't be solved.
trouble with your theory of letting the dopers stay doped up legally by prescription is they become addicted (if they are not already) no job, too lazy or stoned to work, no insurance, no money, but having a flashlight and a burglars mask finds their money to support their habit, or are their legal prescriptions going to be subsidized by state or federal monies to keep the innocent safe and not adding to the burden the local police and drug agencies already have...
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
toxicaura: trouble with your theory of letting the dopers stay doped up legally by prescription is they become addicted (if they are not already) no job, too lazy or stoned to work, no insurance, no money, but having a flashlight and a burglars mask finds their money to support their habit, or are their legal prescriptions going to be subsidized by state or federal monies to keep the innocent safe and not adding to the burden the local police and drug agencies already have...
thanks, I will read up on that, I think it may work with the non addictive drugs like cannabis which should be legal anyway ,but in this area they steal you blind to get more pain killers now for the more addictive drugs , i am just looking at a wide scale version and the economy, most that are addicted have no money or job
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here if you are under any medication you must obtain a doctors certificate stating the medication and the reasons for being on it so if the taffico stop you you have official paperwork which enables you to drive while on the medication.
if you go to the chemist and buy anything that states on the label do not drive while taking this medication because it may cause sideaffects etc as far as the traffico are concerned you should not be driving.
if you have a skinful of booze then drive to work the next day and you are stopped and found to be over the limit then you are done for drinking and driving that is not a medical condition that is just stupidity.
Yes but the laws dont stop the idiots do they There will always be idiots on the roads.......
I dont know if people here even get asked if they are on medication ifthey get pulled up - I never have anything to do with that side of things