The War on Drugs - How to Win it (186)
trish123: Ok, Ill say it then - you have always looked after your children in a commendable way, they dont get in trouble with the police, they go to work every day and are all round well adjusted young men - not what one would expect to listen to some of the projected expectations of dope smokers..........
Yes and if they don't get back here to work soon so I can lock up and go home it's me they'll be in trouble with.
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toxicaura: Hemp would be good for business, industry, production, environment, and the economy and etc., but bad on the government because of no way to keep tabs on the sales to line their pockets is the only draw back, that is why it is and will remain illegal
They make hemp into all sort of legal products....no one here is going to say they don't. Few are going to smoke a hemp made rope to get high....
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ttom500: But apply the your thinking....and it is appreciated here, gininitaly. Across a broad segment of society. Like what happened in China....during the 1700 and 1800s....they had a filed contry. Eventually death was the sentence for those trafficking or using opium. It was the only way they could get the society back to working.
The Bolivian foreign minister is going to 60 countries...to discuss the repeal of coca leaf use. Maybe even cocaine laws, but am not sure there. The Bolivian people stage a protest out side the US embassy...because of our countries policy of the drug.
Now...repeal coca leaves and cociane laws....what happens? It is a economic boon to Boliva. A major growing nation of Coca. But for many in foreign countries it is addiction.
Do you think that the Bolivian gov't or Bolivian people care about the cost of additions in foreign countries?
The Bolivian foreign minister is going to 60 countries...to discuss the repeal of coca leaf use. Maybe even cocaine laws, but am not sure there. The Bolivian people stage a protest out side the US embassy...because of our countries policy of the drug.
Now...repeal coca leaves and cociane laws....what happens? It is a economic boon to Boliva. A major growing nation of Coca. But for many in foreign countries it is addiction.
Do you think that the Bolivian gov't or Bolivian people care about the cost of additions in foreign countries?
But that all has to do with illegal growth for an illegal industry in a lot of countries and pressure from the western world. If it was a legal commodity like corn or soybeans or beef.. it would all be handled legally.
The opium problem:
Coco leaves in south America have been chewed by the natives for thousands of years. It only became a problem when it was used differently by the west.
Well it's no doubt, a long and involved issue.
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gininitaly: But that all has to do with illegal growth for an illegal industry in a lot of countries and pressure from the western world. If it was a legal commodity like corn or soybeans or beef.. it would all be handled legally.
The opium problem:
Coco leaves in south America have been chewed by the natives for thousands of years. It only became a problem when it was used differently by the west.
Well it's no doubt, a long and involved issue.
The opium problem:
Coco leaves in south America have been chewed by the natives for thousands of years. It only became a problem when it was used differently by the west.
Well it's no doubt, a long and involved issue.
Don't try to make a pot field hidden deep in a remote area...anything more than it is. When the value of week is 100 times more than the value of any legal drug that hemp can be made into.
But should little Boliva....get the economic benefit of addicting millions? That coca leaves have been used for 1000s of years..indicates how addicting it is.
But like agruments here.....addiction is not a long term use....which leave me going...
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gininitaly: But that all has to do with illegal growth for an illegal industry in a lot of countries and pressure from the western world. If it was a legal commodity like corn or soybeans or beef.. it would all be handled legally.
The opium problem:
Coco leaves in south America have been chewed by the natives for thousands of years. It only became a problem when it was used differently by the west.
Well it's no doubt, a long and involved issue.
The opium problem:
Coco leaves in south America have been chewed by the natives for thousands of years. It only became a problem when it was used differently by the west.
Well it's no doubt, a long and involved issue.
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ttom500: They make hemp into all sort of legal products....no one here is going to say they don't. Few are going to smoke a hemp made rope to get high....
Good now write your Senator and Legislator and tell them to legalize it
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gininitaly: That's what happens when you're only 2 dimensional... bully code... if you're not with me you're against me... no greys or any of those other charming colors either.
Unfortunately that is how it is in America right now...Black/White or really Red/Blue. Such Gridlock, no one talks anymore and seeks resolution, so nothing gets done.....Never in my life have I seen such polarization, such angry mean folks hurling insults....who feel just as u have suggested, "If your for us, then u r against us." sighhhh
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It will eventually occur to both parties that "dissent = disloyatly" is not a viable position with the voters. When the elected are so far out of touch with the will of the people, partisan rhetoric is bound to be polarized. That's what happens in the land of Oz. When they finally come back to planet Earth, they'll realize that clicking your heels and chanting "there's no place like home" doesn't rid you of people that don't agree with you. It only strengthens the opposition.
Whatever you resist, persists.
Whatever you resist, persists.
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Galactic_bodhi: It will eventually occur to both parties that "dissent = disloyatly" is not a viable position with the voters. When the elected are so far out of touch with the will of the people, partisan rhetoric is bound to be polarized. That's what happens in the land of Oz. When they finally come back to planet Earth, they'll realize that clicking your heels and chanting "there's no place like home" doesn't rid you of people that don't agree with you. It only strengthens the opposition.
Whatever you resist, persists.
Whatever you resist, persists.
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OK, now that the war is over maybe we can get back on track.
I'm thinking I shouldn't have included weed in my opening post.
Is weed addictive?
Is weed a "gateway" drug?
I doubt we'll be able to prove either of those questions here.
What I DO know is the present system isn't working and a new approach is needed.
The two musts, is stop putting people in prison for using hard drugs and take the money out of the equation. Add education and treatment and I think the problem will slowly fade away.
I'm thinking I shouldn't have included weed in my opening post.
Is weed addictive?
Is weed a "gateway" drug?
I doubt we'll be able to prove either of those questions here.
What I DO know is the present system isn't working and a new approach is needed.
The two musts, is stop putting people in prison for using hard drugs and take the money out of the equation. Add education and treatment and I think the problem will slowly fade away.
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ooby_dooby: OK, now that the war is over maybe we can get back on track.
I'm thinking I shouldn't have included weed in my opening post.
Is weed addictive?
Is weed a "gateway" drug?
I doubt we'll be able to prove either of those questions here.
What I DO know is the present system isn't working and a new approach is needed.
The two musts, is stop putting people in prison for using hard drugs and take the money out of the equation. Add education and treatment and I think the problem will slowly fade away.
I'm thinking I shouldn't have included weed in my opening post.
Is weed addictive?
Is weed a "gateway" drug?
I doubt we'll be able to prove either of those questions here.
What I DO know is the present system isn't working and a new approach is needed.
The two musts, is stop putting people in prison for using hard drugs and take the money out of the equation. Add education and treatment and I think the problem will slowly fade away.
Its the lawyers who run the show and theyre running it in their own best interests Ooby - they make billions from keeping the laws as they are
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trish123: Its the lawyers who run the show and theyre running it in their own best interests Ooby - they make billions from keeping the laws as they are
You can add politicians who promote "feel good" laws to get elected.It reminds me of when I sold my first house in New Jersey. Years earlier some politician thought it would be a great idea to put a cap on mortgage rates at 10.5%. Making it illegal to write a mortgage for a higher rate. This was when mortgage rates were in the 6%-8% range. Sounds great right? Well in 1980 interest rates went to 18-20% and all mortgage lending came to a complete halt and so did the deal on my house even though the buyer was willing to pay 13.5%, he couldn't get a home loan and my deal fell through. By the time they rescinded the law he was long gone and I nearly went bankrupt because I'd already closed on another house and suddenly found myself with TWO mortgages as well as a "bridging loan".
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trish123: Its the lawyers who run the show and theyre running it in their own best interests Ooby - they make billions from keeping the laws as they are
that is why they should make it mandatory for drug testing in all jobs, everyone knows the attorneys drug of choice is cocaine at least in the US that is, what is good for the lower class should also apply to the upper class of workers------ This thread is Archived ------
trish123: Its the lawyers who run the show and theyre running it in their own best interests Ooby - they make billions from keeping the laws as they are
they can never stop it. don't worry, keep on puffing
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ooby_dooby: You can add politicians who promote "feel good" laws to get elected.
It reminds me of when I sold my first house in New Jersey. Years earlier some politician thought it would be a great idea to put a cap on mortgage rates at 10.5%. Making it illegal to write a mortgage for a higher rate. This was when mortgage rates were in the 6%-8% range. Sounds great right? Well in 1980 interest rates went to 18-20% and all mortgage lending came to a complete halt and so did the deal on my house even though the buyer was willing to pay 13.5%, he couldn't get a home loan and my deal fell through. By the time they rescinded the law he was long gone and I nearly went bankrupt because I'd already closed on another house and suddenly found myself with TWO mortgages as well as a "bridging loan".
It reminds me of when I sold my first house in New Jersey. Years earlier some politician thought it would be a great idea to put a cap on mortgage rates at 10.5%. Making it illegal to write a mortgage for a higher rate. This was when mortgage rates were in the 6%-8% range. Sounds great right? Well in 1980 interest rates went to 18-20% and all mortgage lending came to a complete halt and so did the deal on my house even though the buyer was willing to pay 13.5%, he couldn't get a home loan and my deal fell through. By the time they rescinded the law he was long gone and I nearly went bankrupt because I'd already closed on another house and suddenly found myself with TWO mortgages as well as a "bridging loan".
It will never become easy for the working classes to make a shilling while we live under a kleptocratic world order
If they wanted the drugs stuff stopped they could do it pretty rapidly - they are playing pretend, drugs keep a certain type of people occupied, the type who otherwise might organise against the real thieves.......------ This thread is Archived ------
toxicaura: that is why they should make it mandatory for drug testing in all jobs, everyone knows the attorneys drug of choice is cocaine at least in the US that is, what is good for the lower class should also apply to the upper class of workers
I couldnt agree more - powder drugs are the ones that kill, the herb grows naturally and is used as a scapegoat.
The masses are so easily led, they believe whatever theyre told and have done so for centuries - the rich get richer and the poor get poorer then the game of divide and rule is used by the misinformationists..... sheeple............ I despair at times..........
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parendo: they can never stop it. don't worry, keep on puffing
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parendo: they can never stop it. don't worry, keep on puffing
I've a legal right in my state due to my chronic pain to utilize cannabis in a medicinal sense. That is the will of the state.
As more states realize the futility of bucking a growing majority of individuals who utilize it in this fashion, the Federal case for prohibition will continue to lose ground.
The Feds need to back off. To keep forcing their position despite growing opposition just lends more validity to their opponents. Its like arguing with an imbecile.
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Galactic_bodhi: I've a legal right in my state due to my chronic pain to utilize cannabis in a medicinal sense. That is the will of the state.
As more states realize the futility of bucking a growing majority of individuals who utilize it in this fashion, the Federal case for prohibition will continue to lose ground.
The Feds need to back off. To keep forcing their position despite growing opposition just lends more validity to their opponents. Its like arguing with an imbecile.
As more states realize the futility of bucking a growing majority of individuals who utilize it in this fashion, the Federal case for prohibition will continue to lose ground.
The Feds need to back off. To keep forcing their position despite growing opposition just lends more validity to their opponents. Its like arguing with an imbecile.
Hiya T
Yes, this is why I always speak out and always will - it is a glaring injustice in many countries.
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I think of that as an achievement.
Ok, Ill say it then - you have always looked after your children in a commendable way, they dont get in trouble with the police, they go to work every day and are all round well adjusted young men - not what one would expect to listen to some of the projected expectations of dope smokers..........