The War on Drugs - How to Win it (186)
ooby_dooby: Step 1, Stop thinking of it as a war.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
Great idea!! The only way to end a war is to stop fighting.
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ooby_dooby: Step 1, Stop thinking of it as a war.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
I agree100%Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
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But I want to keep on smoking dope Ooby, I dont see it as a clinical condition, it is my drug of choice and is none addictive too 
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ooby_dooby: Step 1, Stop thinking of it as a war.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
I know this sounds wicked but i dont have any sympathy for any addiction that is self inflicted like drug addiction. save the tax payer a huge amount of money and just give them the drugs and let them kill themselves. Also if they made the drugs legal to be purchased in a chemist that would stop the drug trafficers making any money. Also punishment for people selling drugs should be much more harsh.
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craig63: I know this sounds wicked but i dont have any sympathy for any addiction that is self inflicted like drug addiction. save the tax payer a huge amount of money and just give them the drugs and let them kill themselves. Also if they made the drugs legal to be purchased in a chemist that would stop the drug trafficers making any money. Also punishment for people selling drugs should be much more harsh.
Well, (a little less cruelly but) that has actually worked in Portugal.
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ooby_dooby: Step 1, Stop thinking of it as a war.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.
Can you tell us what happened in 1700-1800s China when they did that with opium?
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trish123: Well, (a little less cruelly but) that has actually worked in Portugal.
thats interesting trish, yea if some-one wants to take heroine etc then no-one put a gun to their head and forced them to take it so why should the tax payer pick up the bill, just let them kill themselfs.
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So many people go home and have a couple of shots of whiskey and sit there calling drug users - the duplicity astounds me.......... there are profits made whether its legal or not and anybody prepared to dig deep enough will find there arent too many differences between who makes the ultimate profits too.......
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ttom500: Can you tell us what happened in 1700-1800s China when they did that with opium?
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ooby_dooby: I have no idea what happened in china back then but is it relevant to equate 18th & 19th century China to the USA of today?
In some ways it is yes, the opium wars have a long history Ooby
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trish123: So many people go home and have a couple of shots of whiskey and sit there calling drug users - the duplicity astounds me.......... there are profits made whether its legal or not and anybody prepared to dig deep enough will find there arent too many differences between who makes the ultimate profits too.......
very true trish. you can be addicted to anything but at the end of the day we all choose what road in life that we want to go down, and if its the wrong road then you should accept that it was your choice and the consequence.
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trish123: So many people go home and have a couple of shots of whiskey and sit there calling drug users - the duplicity astounds me.......... there are profits made whether its legal or not and anybody prepared to dig deep enough will find there arent too many differences between who makes the ultimate profits too.......
I see what you mean - alcohol and cigarettes are just as dangerous, the only difference is: they happen to be legal. As was cocaine in the 1920, or speed in inhalers in the 1970, etc...
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craig63: very true trish. you can be addicted to anything but at the end of the day we all choose what road in life that we want to go down, and if its the wrong road then you should accept that it was your choice and the consequence.
Nope, what you see as choice has thinner boundaries on say a very poor council estate where survival is quite different than it is for those lucky enough to escape the depravations of poverty - if you have never been in the situation its easy enough to theorise on how you would deal with it, for those to whom this is a daily reality I think they may suggest that those who would judge them harshly walk a mile in their shoes.........
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I agree with you ooby_dooby on many points. Good post.
I'm Libertarian and I believe in individual freedoms for everyone to make these decisions for themselves. The Government should not dictate what we should do as people in our privacy.
Alcohol and Tobacco (along with prescription drugs) are the only legal drugs allowed in the US. Alcohol and Tobacco kills far more people than any other substance.
I'm not advocating drug use, but a problem is that some people combine mixtures of drugs that are a danger to us in Society. They need treatment because of the addictive gene.
A myth: Many people believe that alcohol and marijuana moves everyone to higher drugs like Heroin and Cocaine. Not so with some. I've known people that started out at the higher level of drugs that had never drank or smoked reefer.
Arlo Guthrie - Coming Into Los Angeles (live 19...
I'm Libertarian and I believe in individual freedoms for everyone to make these decisions for themselves. The Government should not dictate what we should do as people in our privacy.
Alcohol and Tobacco (along with prescription drugs) are the only legal drugs allowed in the US. Alcohol and Tobacco kills far more people than any other substance.
I'm not advocating drug use, but a problem is that some people combine mixtures of drugs that are a danger to us in Society. They need treatment because of the addictive gene.
A myth: Many people believe that alcohol and marijuana moves everyone to higher drugs like Heroin and Cocaine. Not so with some. I've known people that started out at the higher level of drugs that had never drank or smoked reefer.
Arlo Guthrie - Coming Into Los Angeles (live 19...
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ooby_dooby: Step 1, Stop thinking of it as a war.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
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Great idea but the trouble in this area it is the prescription drugs that are being marketed, People go to the doctor and get the prescriptions for the sole purpose of selling them on the streets, They even hire people in Kentucky to go to Florida to get the prescriptions, As you enter Florida they have signs posted "Pillbilly Go Home" so I am sure they are well aware of the transporting of drugs from one state to another, It should start with monitoring the doctors and clinics, and only giving enough for a few days, The sellers are making about 1000 a month just off one prescription, I would say take the abused drugs off the market completely until the devise a better way of distributing them... great thread ooby Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
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craig63: I know this sounds wicked but i dont have any sympathy for any addiction that is self inflicted like drug addiction. save the tax payer a huge amount of money and just give them the drugs and let them kill themselves. Also if they made the drugs legal to be purchased in a chemist that would stop the drug trafficers making any money. Also punishment for people selling drugs should be much more harsh.
I have no doubt you wouldn't think this way if it was your lovely 14 year old daughter (if you had one) who got caught up in a drug addiction. Let's face it, kids don't always think ahead or weigh consequences of their actions.------ This thread is Archived ------
trish123: Nope, what you see as choice has thinner boundaries on say a very poor council estate where survival is quite different than it is for those lucky enough to escape the depravations of poverty - if you have never been in the situation its easy enough to theorise on how you would deal with it, for those to whom this is a daily reality I think they may suggest that those who would judge them harshly walk a mile in their shoes.........
i totally understand trish what you are saying and agree with you in some ways but there are a lot of people that do come from a bad or poor background and still do not turn to drugs or crime they get off their backside and do things to change their life and turn things around. if you come from a poor or bad background people can only give you so much help the rest is up to you.
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ooby_dooby: I have no idea what happened in china back then but is it relevant to equate 18th & 19th century China to the USA of today?
In 1700 and 1800 China they made opium a legal drug to acquire.
Millions of Chinese became addicted. Society broke down. Millions of Chinese sold themselves into servitude to escape societies breakdown by coming to the America. You have the boxer rebellion that was largely over Chinese opium trade.
for more....
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invinciblemuse: I see what you mean - alcohol and cigarettes are just as dangerous, the only difference is: they happen to be legal. As was cocaine in the 1920, or speed in inhalers in the 1970, etc...
Queen Victoria was an avid user of cannabis.
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Step 2, Formulate a plan which will bring to an end the viscious cycle of addiction by removing the profit from marketing drugs.
A top secret plan should be instituted which for a certain amount of time, say 2 years, all drugs siezed by law enforcement be stockpiled in a secure location where it can be tested and certified safe. This to include marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. This material to be used in the treatment process later. It makes no sense to destroy something that can be a valueable commodity, in fact, it seems fitting that the expenses and efforts of drug cartels and smugglers and poppy growers in Afghanistan be used to destroy their very own business. Later on we should buy the entire poppy crop as well as the coca crop directly from the growers in Columbia and process it right here in the US.
Step 3, Make these drugs available by prescription to anybody who is addicted to drugs after a physical exam and commitment to counciling and drug rehab therapy and substitution to less addictive drugs in a multistep process.
Step 4, De-criminalize the possession & use of drugs which would go a long way to remove the stigma associated with being addicted to drugs.
This would remove the main source of revenue from the Mexican drug cartels and stop all the killing from their drug wars and also remove the funds from funding the Taliban and Al Quida. This would also stop young people starting using drugs in the first place because the monetary incentive would be gone as well as the glamor. If that's not enough, 10,000's of able bodied convicts could be released from prisons who are bloating the system and costing tax payers a fortune. Maybe not all at once but gradually as their cases are reviewed.
This is a serious thread so please no jokes or flirting. Thank you.