The War on Drugs - How to Win it (186)
FrankinstienSan Juan, Puerto Rico1 Threads 1,521 PostsThe only way you will ever stop the worldwide drug epademic is to take the profit out of it ! Go ahead and make it legal . You will always have users, however you won't have all the rest of the ills the illegal trade brings .
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By taking more drugs.
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bodleing: First I've heard of it. I have a very good friend living in Mijas, he smokes quite a lot but has never mentioned it to me.
Anyway, give this a couple more years and I suspect your roads will be quite empty.
Anyway, give this a couple more years and I suspect your roads will be quite empty.
i can well believe it because they change or upgrade the laws here and either put it in the local newspapers or place it on an official website that many people do not read and when caught the police and traffico say sorry but ignorance is no defence for breaking the law.
many people here also do not realise that if you are fined for a traffic violation or anything else and you do not pay the fine within the specified time the tax office can go into your bank account and take the money or confiscate belongings to sell to cover the fine and the tax office has the legal right so you can not stop them.
they are always updating laws here and putting up fines and it sometimes is not easy keeping yourself up to date.
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trish123: Hiya T
Yes, this is why I always speak out and always will - it is a glaring injustice in many countries.
Yes, this is why I always speak out and always will - it is a glaring injustice in many countries.
Many people don't realize or care about the history of cannabis prohibition. Its an economic thing.
Cui bono? Big business. Not the public. Thank Dupont, Eli Lily, and Hearst for prohibition. They simply cannot compete against the cheap and prolific growth of cannabis for petroleum & fiber products, as well as its analgesic and psychotropic effects.
Additionally, Prohibition is what makes cannabis a gateway drug. Black Market suppliers don't care about age, they have multiple products, and a curious teen will escalate their use due to availability.
Place cannabis in a liquor store, and sure, they'll still get it, but like tobacco, the use of it by teens from this type of venue doesn't automatically escalate to harder drugs. In a dealers house, its almost guaranteed due to curiosity and the risk/reward drives in the youthful.
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Frankinstien: The only way you will ever stop the worldwide drug epademic is to take the profit out of it ! Go ahead and make it legal . You will always have users, however you won't have all the rest of the ills the illegal trade brings .
They have privatised the prison service here, there is profit to be made from locking people up while the gvmt foot the bill for keeping them in prisons. The Lawyers cream of an extravagant living and while they have such a tight hold on the reigns, nothing will change.
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Galactic_bodhi: I've a legal right in my state due to my chronic pain to utilize cannabis in a medicinal sense. That is the will of the state.
As more states realize the futility of bucking a growing majority of individuals who utilize it in this fashion, the Federal case for prohibition will continue to lose ground.
The Feds need to back off. To keep forcing their position despite growing opposition just lends more validity to their opponents. Its like arguing with an imbecile.
As more states realize the futility of bucking a growing majority of individuals who utilize it in this fashion, the Federal case for prohibition will continue to lose ground.
The Feds need to back off. To keep forcing their position despite growing opposition just lends more validity to their opponents. Its like arguing with an imbecile.
that would also be ok here providing you have official paperwork from a registered doctor or hospital stating your medical condition, the reason for using the drug and official stamp and signiture giving you permission to drive.
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trish123: They have privatised the prison service here, there is profit to be made from locking people up while the gvmt foot the bill for keeping them in prisons. The Lawyers cream of an extravagant living and while they have such a tight hold on the reigns, nothing will change.
Your right ! There are too many people on both sides of the law living well off the drug trade . ( Just think how much the new coservativs could save by doing this ?) . . . 
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I agree with many of your sentiments, OD, but folks imbibe for many reasons beyond glamour, or the thrill of doing something illegal.
I suspect many are users because it does what it says on the box - people alter their mindset, alter reality. For some reality is too hard to bear, understandably so. (I don't have patience with those who judge when they have no idea of the circumstances of an individual's life).
I've not read all the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said, but not many have enough experience and understanding to put forward a viable solution.
I suspect many are users because it does what it says on the box - people alter their mindset, alter reality. For some reality is too hard to bear, understandably so. (I don't have patience with those who judge when they have no idea of the circumstances of an individual's life).
I've not read all the thread, so sorry if I'm repeating what's already been said, but not many have enough experience and understanding to put forward a viable solution.
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Galactic_bodhi: Many people don't realize or care about the history of cannabis prohibition. Its an economic thing.
Cui bono? Big business. Not the public. Thank Dupont, Eli Lily, and Hearst for prohibition. They simply cannot compete against the cheap and prolific growth of cannabis for petroleum & fiber products, as well as its analgesic and psychotropic effects.
Additionally, Prohibition is what makes cannabis a gateway drug. Black Market suppliers don't care about age, they have multiple products, and a curious teen will escalate their use due to availability.
Place cannabis in a liquor store, and sure, they'll still get it, but like tobacco, the use of it by teens from this type of venue doesn't automatically escalate to harder drugs. In a dealers house, its almost guaranteed due to curiosity and the risk/reward drives in the youthful.
Cui bono? Big business. Not the public. Thank Dupont, Eli Lily, and Hearst for prohibition. They simply cannot compete against the cheap and prolific growth of cannabis for petroleum & fiber products, as well as its analgesic and psychotropic effects.
Additionally, Prohibition is what makes cannabis a gateway drug. Black Market suppliers don't care about age, they have multiple products, and a curious teen will escalate their use due to availability.
Place cannabis in a liquor store, and sure, they'll still get it, but like tobacco, the use of it by teens from this type of venue doesn't automatically escalate to harder drugs. In a dealers house, its almost guaranteed due to curiosity and the risk/reward drives in the youthful.
They start out on heroin these days though - its there in the school yards for any who want to try....... and alcohol too, my local village is becoming a no go area for some on a saturday night and this is a really quiet area, inner cities are crumbling dens of disorder - it really is getting that bad here.
I hate, loath and detest powder drugs and truly, nobody wishes more than me that they were less easily available. Its a mistake to class them in with Cannabis though, they just see that as an also ran, they get it if theres any dosh left over after scoring the rocks and the booze........
Perhaps there will be anarchy on the streets before much longer - I said not on a thread a couple of weeks ago but perhaps I was wrong.........
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Galactic_bodhi: I've a legal right in my state due to my chronic pain to utilize cannabis in a medicinal sense. That is the will of the state.
As more states realize the futility of bucking a growing majority of individuals who utilize it in this fashion, the Federal case for prohibition will continue to lose ground.
The Feds need to back off. To keep forcing their position despite growing opposition just lends more validity to their opponents. Its like arguing with an imbecile.
As more states realize the futility of bucking a growing majority of individuals who utilize it in this fashion, the Federal case for prohibition will continue to lose ground.
The Feds need to back off. To keep forcing their position despite growing opposition just lends more validity to their opponents. Its like arguing with an imbecile.
I see in CA jut about anyone can get a medical cannabis users card and it's on open sale. In fact cannabis growing supplies is the new boom retail business in the State. 'We Grow' is the first in a chain of superstores selling everything a cannabis grower could need. Set up by a Wall Steet trader, they aim to open up a store in all fifteen States where medical cannabis is legal.
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trish123: They start out on heroin these days though - its there in the school yards for any who want to try....... and alcohol too, my local village is becoming a no go area for some on a saturday night and this is a really quiet area, inner cities are crumbling dens of disorder - it really is getting that bad here.
I hate, loath and detest powder drugs and truly, nobody wishes more than me that they were less easily available. Its a mistake to class them in with Cannabis though, they just see that as an also ran, they get it if theres any dosh left over after scoring the rocks and the booze........
Perhaps there will be anarchy on the streets before much longer - I said not on a thread a couple of weeks ago but perhaps I was wrong.........
I hate, loath and detest powder drugs and truly, nobody wishes more than me that they were less easily available. Its a mistake to class them in with Cannabis though, they just see that as an also ran, they get it if theres any dosh left over after scoring the rocks and the booze........
Perhaps there will be anarchy on the streets before much longer - I said not on a thread a couple of weeks ago but perhaps I was wrong.........
Did you catch this program Trish?
Very interesting.
Sorry to most of you out there...only available in the uk.
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craig63: that would also be ok here providing you have official paperwork from a registered doctor or hospital stating your medical condition, the reason for using the drug and official stamp and signiture giving you permission to drive.
It would be the same as anybody using alcohol presumably
People in the States drive under the influence of really strong painkillers, stuff that would knock my socks off - people here do too come to think of it - let those without stain cast the first stones hey..... The amount of meds that have a do not drive warning on which is ignored is a farce and what about those who drive to work after a skinful of booze the night before, are they to get doctors letters too
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Case in point on analgesic effect. Those very same drugs (very strong pain-killers) don't even touch my pain, they just impair me. Whereas I may have some short-term memory issues on cannabis, the pain is abated, and I can still function.
I don't drive anyway, so my use of cannabis cannot be said to be a threat to anyone anywhere, for any reason. Their stupidity is to blame if I happen to injure them, because I will have reached the point where I just can't take it anymore, and figure Darwin will understand.
I don't drive anyway, so my use of cannabis cannot be said to be a threat to anyone anywhere, for any reason. Their stupidity is to blame if I happen to injure them, because I will have reached the point where I just can't take it anymore, and figure Darwin will understand.
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bodleing: Did you catch this program Trish?
Very interesting.
Sorry to most of you out there...only available in the uk.
Very interesting.
Sorry to most of you out there...only available in the uk.
Thanks Gra, I havent seen it, no - will watch it after tea
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trish123: It would be the same as anybody using alcohol presumably
People in the States drive under the influence of really strong painkillers, stuff that would knock my socks off - people here do too come to think of it - let those without stain cast the first stones hey..... The amount of meds that have a do not drive warning on which is ignored is a farce and what about those who drive to work after a skinful of booze the night before, are they to get doctors letters too
People in the States drive under the influence of really strong painkillers, stuff that would knock my socks off - people here do too come to think of it - let those without stain cast the first stones hey..... The amount of meds that have a do not drive warning on which is ignored is a farce and what about those who drive to work after a skinful of booze the night before, are they to get doctors letters too
And your guys drive on the wrong side of the road. I don't know how they do it stoned.
(Please forgive me, I'm just joking a bit... I'm English and Scottish myself and my car was made in Ireland.)
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Galactic_bodhi: Case in point on analgesic effect. Those very same drugs (very strong pain-killers) don't even touch my pain, they just impair me. Whereas I may have some short-term memory issues on cannabis, the pain is abated, and I can still function.
I don't drive anyway, so my use of cannabis cannot be said to be a threat to anyone anywhere, for any reason. Their stupidity is to blame if I happen to injure them, because I will have reached the point where I just can't take it anymore, and figure Darwin will understand.
I don't drive anyway, so my use of cannabis cannot be said to be a threat to anyone anywhere, for any reason. Their stupidity is to blame if I happen to injure them, because I will have reached the point where I just can't take it anymore, and figure Darwin will understand.
Same here, I dont drive either........
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trish123: Same here, I dont drive either........
No, you sometimes get taken home in a supermarket trolley.
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Paldi5: And your guys drive on the wrong side of the road. I don't know how they do it stoned.
(Please forgive me, I'm just joking a bit... I'm English and Scottish myself and my car was made in Ireland.)
(Please forgive me, I'm just joking a bit... I'm English and Scottish myself and my car was made in Ireland.)
They dont
When I was driving I wouldnt even have a drink the day before never mind anything else
Round here they drive whichever side of the road theres nothing else on and they sure as heck dont bother using their indicators either - its a free for all - they even stop the traffic while the sheep get moved to a different pasture on Sunday mornings - its wild I tell you, wild
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bodleing: No, you sometimes get taken home in a supermarket trolley.
Its uphill from the pub here though
but dont worry, Ive not caught demurity since I got older Im still as up for a laugh as i ever was 
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trish123: It would be the same as anybody using alcohol presumably
People in the States drive under the influence of really strong painkillers, stuff that would knock my socks off - people here do too come to think of it - let those without stain cast the first stones hey..... The amount of meds that have a do not drive warning on which is ignored is a farce and what about those who drive to work after a skinful of booze the night before, are they to get doctors letters too
People in the States drive under the influence of really strong painkillers, stuff that would knock my socks off - people here do too come to think of it - let those without stain cast the first stones hey..... The amount of meds that have a do not drive warning on which is ignored is a farce and what about those who drive to work after a skinful of booze the night before, are they to get doctors letters too
to be honest trish i dont know about alcohol. from my own experience my mother had an operation and could not wear a seat belt for a while so she had to take the doctors certificate to the traffico who confirmed that the information was correct and obtained a permission of circulation from traffico to drive without wearing a seat belt for 6 months i think it was.
here if you are under any medication you must obtain a doctors certificate stating the medication and the reasons for being on it so if the taffico stop you you have official paperwork which enables you to drive while on the medication.
if you go to the chemist and buy anything that states on the label do not drive while taking this medication because it may cause sideaffects etc as far as the traffico are concerned you should not be driving.
if you have a skinful of booze then drive to work the next day and you are stopped and found to be over the limit then you are done for drinking and driving that is not a medical condition that is just stupidity.
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