Green energy throttled by Greedy Big Oil (54)
online today!online today!Conrad73Zurich, Switzerland204 Threads 6 Polls 59,471 PostsSeems that it boils down to,any time a Company refuses to invest in some technology they don't think is economically feasible,someone hollers Conspiracy etc.
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its all about the "SHARE HOLDER"
can you say "SHARE HOLDER"
can you say "SHARE HOLDER"
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Looking_Heart: its all about the "SHARE HOLDER"
can you say "SHARE HOLDER"
can you say "SHARE HOLDER"
Platitude. Can you say "PLATITUDE".
plat·i·tude
[plat-i-tood, -tyood] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a flat, dull, or trite remark, especially one uttered as if it were fresh or profound.
2.
the quality or state of being flat, dull, or trite: the platitude of most political oratory.
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I think the charge that big oil kills renewable energy technology is completely false because many big oil co's are investing Billions in renewable energy.
It's the same as auto makers or big oil killed the 150 MPG carburator. There never was a carb that would produce 150 MPG. The whole story was a tinfoil hat fabrication.
Valero:
Became the first traditional refiner to enter large-scale production of ethanol, a renewable fuel, with 10 plants in the Midwest
Built wind-powered turbines to improve energy efficiency and reduce Valero’s carbon footprint
BP:
Shell Oil:
Exxon:
I could go on.
It's the same as auto makers or big oil killed the 150 MPG carburator. There never was a carb that would produce 150 MPG. The whole story was a tinfoil hat fabrication.
Valero:
Became the first traditional refiner to enter large-scale production of ethanol, a renewable fuel, with 10 plants in the Midwest
Built wind-powered turbines to improve energy efficiency and reduce Valero’s carbon footprint
BP:
Shell Oil:
Exxon:
I could go on.
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ooby_dooby: I think the charge that big oil kills renewable energy technology is completely false because many big oil co's are investing Billions in renewable energy.
It's the same as auto makers or big oil killed the 150 MPG carburator. There never was a carb that would produce 150 MPG. The whole story was a tinfoil hat fabrication.
Valero:
Became the first traditional refiner to enter large-scale production of ethanol, a renewable fuel, with 10 plants in the Midwest
Built wind-powered turbines to improve energy efficiency and reduce Valero’s carbon footprint
BP:
Shell Oil:
Exxon:
I could go on.
It's the same as auto makers or big oil killed the 150 MPG carburator. There never was a carb that would produce 150 MPG. The whole story was a tinfoil hat fabrication.
Valero:
Became the first traditional refiner to enter large-scale production of ethanol, a renewable fuel, with 10 plants in the Midwest
Built wind-powered turbines to improve energy efficiency and reduce Valero’s carbon footprint
BP:
Shell Oil:
Exxon:
I could go on.
That's exactly right, OD.
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I'm back from my lunch break . I answer to some of your questions, the economicaly feasable statement is only partialy true . With the billions that they make it would be prudent to not put all your eggs in one basket . If the solar cells where not feasable then they are now . Also the price for them was rather high ( approxamatly $5.00 a watt ). The payback time was too long to justify them . With real resurch to lower the cost per watt ( mass manufacturing, new methods, ect. ) it indeed will be cost effective . Solar devices are also not limited to voltaics . Some very high efficiencies have been developed in the interum . I know of some of them ( not first hand ) that are verry efficient . There are some technical diffaculties in them, but most of the hard work has been done . The tech is not insurmountable just needs a commitment to do it . And yes they could be compeditive and stable .
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COOL DUDE!
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Frankinstien: I'm back from my lunch break . I answer to some of your questions, the economicaly feasable statement is only partialy true . With the billions that they make it would be prudent to not put all your eggs in one basket . If the solar cells where not feasable then they are now . Also the price for them was rather high ( approxamatly $5.00 a watt ). The payback time was too long to justify them . With real resurch to lower the cost per watt ( mass manufacturing, new methods, ect. ) it indeed will be cost effective . Solar devices are also not limited to voltaics . Some very high efficiencies have been developed in the interum . I know of some of them ( not first hand ) that are verry efficient . There are some technical diffaculties in them, but most of the hard work has been done . The tech is not insurmountable just needs a commitment to do it . And yes they could be compeditive and stable .
Oil companies didn't bail out of solar power. They're actually expanding that market. The article I posted goes on to say that the thin strips are where they're putting their focus because that's where the profit is. IF it's not going to be profitable, then it's bad business.
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"The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us.
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
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gardenhackle: Platitude. Can you say "PLATITUDE". plat·i·tude
[plat-i-tood, -tyood] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a flat, dull, or trite remark, especially one uttered as if it were fresh or profound.
2.
the quality or state of being flat, dull, or trite: the platitude of most political oratory.
[plat-i-tood, -tyood] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a flat, dull, or trite remark, especially one uttered as if it were fresh or profound.
2.
the quality or state of being flat, dull, or trite: the platitude of most political oratory.
I hear "VERBOSE" when listening to you
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Looking_Heart: I hear "VERBOSE" when listening to you
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verbose
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:verbose
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verbose
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How droll.
Was that succinct enough for you?
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venusenvy: Its really very viable G...Its largely unpopulated due to the fact that its just too hot and deserty. But thats a perfect environment for solar fields.
As a back up, I say "drill baby drill" in between the solar panels.
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"drill baby drill"....if I only had a dollar for every time I....
Oh, wait. Sorry. Wrong thread.
Oh, wait. Sorry. Wrong thread.
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gardenhackle: I've heard this countless times and it's obviously common knowledge that big oil is why we don't already have renewable energy sources. By killing and blocking development of green energy for the sake of their ever important "bottom line", they are denying the US and the world the economical, natural, green, gorgeous environmentally friendly energy that we should have.....
There is myth there.
Oil companies will profit from oil as long as it lasts and they will (are)profit(ing) from alternative energies too.
In my place, there are many government programs supporting alternatives energies and they are really interested in making them happen and work in an efficient way.
We need to focus on what can we do to incorporate alternative energies into our daily lifes.
Alternative energies might not be at hand for industry processees in every country but it is starting to be an option in a few countries.
Myself, I am into solar energy for small processees in my work in Rural Areas besides working on a proposal for a Biogas plant.
Solar energy is abundant here, let us used before we get charged from it (from the IRS).
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Conrad73: "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us.
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
RONALD REAGAN RAISED BUSINESS TAXES HIS FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE!!!!
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Conrad73: "The most dangerous myth is the demagoguery that business can be made to pay a larger share, thus relieving the individual. Politicians preaching this are either deliberately dishonest, or economically illiterate, and either one should scare us.
Ronald Reagan
Ronald Reagan
RONALD REAGAN RAISED BUSINESS TAXES HIS FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE!!!!
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL U CONRAD?!
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ooby_dooby: We do? Most people have never even SEEN an electric car so how can it be a failure already? The gasoline powered automobile has been around for a 100 years and in the early days it was probably looked upon as a failure too. I think electric cars need more time to develope before we lable them a failure. They certainly make a lot of sense for urban use.
Unfortunately, the problem of range before recharging cannot be overcome at this stage of our technology, therefore, no-one will buy them (cf. the failure of GM's Volt). Moreover, if all cars were electric the environmental impact of a dramatic increase in electricity consumption and battery disposal would negate the benefits. As BMW worked out, hydrogen is a more viable and practical alternative.
Why do you think most people have never seen an electric car?
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I feel like someone trow me back in the darkness of the middle age 
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lifeisadream: There is myth there.
Oil companies will profit from oil as long as it lasts and they will (are)profit(ing) from alternative energies too.
In my place, there are many government programs supporting alternatives energies and they are really interested in making them happen and work in an efficient way.
We need to focus on what can we do to incorporate alternative energies into our daily lifes.
Alternative energies might not be at hand for industry processees in every country but it is starting to be an option in a few countries.
Myself, I am into solar energy for small processees in my work in Rural Areas besides working on a proposal for a Biogas plant.
Solar energy is abundant here, let us used before we get charged from it (from the IRS).
t boone pickens/oilman oil runs the world for now.Oil companies will profit from oil as long as it lasts and they will (are)profit(ing) from alternative energies too.
In my place, there are many government programs supporting alternatives energies and they are really interested in making them happen and work in an efficient way.
We need to focus on what can we do to incorporate alternative energies into our daily lifes.
Alternative energies might not be at hand for industry processees in every country but it is starting to be an option in a few countries.
Myself, I am into solar energy for small processees in my work in Rural Areas besides working on a proposal for a Biogas plant.
Solar energy is abundant here, let us used before we get charged from it (from the IRS).
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gardenhackle: And yet there are people so intellectually lazy that if they hear something that suits their preconceived ideas about the world, they load it in their b.s. dispenser and spread it around without ever questioning it, confirming it or even caring how stupid it may be.
That's it in a nutshell. Don't believe the rhetoric without question. Search for yourself and employ a dollop of logic.
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