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Apr 5, 2011 11:54 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Colleene1024
Colleene1024Colleene1024West Warwick, Rhode Island USA10 Threads 1,225 Posts
zeus911: Brega falls to Gaddafi forces: Al Jazeera correspondent Hoda Abdel-Hamid, who has been reporting from the frontlines, says that it can be said with a fair degree of certainty that Gaddafi's forces have taken all of Brega, given the intensity of their assault this morning towards Ajdabiya.

Later Anita McNaught reporting from Tripoli, said that Libyan state television is planning to broadcast live from Brega at some point this evening.


I no this is not right to say but, I really wish NATO would just bomb they hell out of Tripoli! Get it over and done with already! this way the civillians can get back to their lives! very mad
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Apr 5, 2011 11:56 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
The world-famous actress Angelina Jolie in her role of UNHCR Goodwill Ambassador, visited refugees from Libya at a UN-run camp on the Tunisia-Libyan border today. Describing the situation she said:

"The outpouring of generosity from the Tunisian people says so much for the future of this country. It is a sign of the openness sweeping across the region ... The international community has done well to reinforce Tunisia’s remarkable relief effort. But with 2,000 people still crossing each day, we cannot let the funding dry up and need to sustain the momentum."

Transit facilities set up by the UN 7km inside Tunisia to provide temporary shelter, have helped 70,000 refugees reach "home safely" says the UN. But more continue to arrive daily, and 11,000 people are estimated to be still in transit.
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Apr 5, 2011 11:58 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
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Colleene1024: I no this is not right to say but, I really wish NATO would just bomb they hell out of Tripoli! Get it over and done with already! this way the civillians can get back to their lives!
Yep i know the feeling, but the thing is the dictator is nice and safe in his bunker and only the civilians as usual get to suffer.
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Apr 5, 2011 1:28 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III


Hague Court: Gaddafi Planned Civilian Killings
CS - Libya Civilian Deaths
EPA / Landov

Civilian deaths weren’t just collateral in Libya’s increasingly bloody civil war, a prosecutor says: They were part of a plan set in motion by Muammar Gaddafi. Luis Moreno-Ocampo, a prosecutor with the International Criminal Court in the Hague, says he has evidence that as protests roiled Egypt and Tunisia, Gaddafi’s regime drew up plans to shoot civilians if similar demonstrations broke out in Libya. Moreno-Ocampo, who made headlines in 2008 for his controversial decision to charge Sudanese President Omar al-Bashir with genocide, will present a report to the U.N. in May and is expected to seek warrants soon afterward. The ICC also wants to speak with Musa Kusa, a former Gaddafi confidant who defected over civilian deaths.
Read it at Reuters
Posted at 11:25 AM, Apr 5, 2011
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Apr 5, 2011 2:51 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
zeus911: The Ukrainian Navy frigate "Konstantin Olshankiy" has arrived in Grand Harbour with 193 workers evacuated from Libya.

The workers, of various nationalities, were picked up from the Tripoli area, amongst whom them are 22 Britons and 20 Americans.

British High Commissioner Louise Stanton, who was at the Valletta Waterfront, said many of the workers had initially decided to stay in Libya but had now changed their mind.

Hope to post some pictures later.


As I promised earlier here's a pic I took of the Ukranian Warship in the Grand Harbour, Valletta this afternoon...

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Apr 5, 2011 3:08 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
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Abdel Fatah Younis, the head of the pro-democracy opposition's army, while addressing a press conference in Benghazi from which I am quoting some phrases.

At one point he expressed disappointment about NATO's effectiveness in this conflict, saying: "When a large force of tanks, and even 155 artillery, which is on its way to Benghazi, Ajdabiya or Brega, we always inform straight away NATO. Because we don't have such weapons. NATO's reaction is very slow. By the time the information reaches from one official to another until it reaches the field commander, it takes hours. Will these forces wait for hours to bomb? No, they will go into the city and burn it down."

Describing the situation in Misurata he says: "Misurata gentlemen is under the complete annihilation. It is extreme meaning of annihilation. There is no water, no electricty, no food, not even children's milk, this has been going on for 40 days, and daily bombing of buildings, hospitals and mosques..."

Once again he expressed his disappoinment here: "Unfortunately, and I am sorry to say this, NATO has disappointed us. My staff have been in contact with the NATO envoys to direct them to targets that should protect civilians, but until now, NATO has not given us what we need...

Civilians are dying daily in Misurata because of lack of food or milk, even children are dying. Even by bombing. If NATO waits for another week, it will be a crime that NATO will have to carry. What is NATO doing? It is shelling some defined areas only.
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Apr 6, 2011 7:28 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Buffy327
Buffy327Buffy327Somewhere, Georgia USA5 Threads 1,527 Posts
dunno

The Pro democracy complain,(still being killed and starved out) the refugees r not happy nor is their host countries with the burden that has been forced upon both. (Not to mention the cost)

Everybody dances around Gaddafi and his fam needing to go, and clearly this is the one thing that could make everything better...I just don't get it....frustrated frustrated
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Apr 6, 2011 1:06 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
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Buffy327: The Pro democracy complain,(still being killed and starved out) the refugees r not happy nor is their host countries with the burden that has been forced upon both. (Not to mention the cost)

Everybody dances around Gaddafi and his fam needing to go, and clearly this is the one thing that could make everything better...I just don't get it....
so true Buffy, we all know what needs to be done but we're held back by our own 'politically correct' rules. doh
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Apr 6, 2011 1:14 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
hi Zeus,
fine to read your news about Libya ... by the way, between 1991-1993 we stayed and worked in Benghazi with my dead husband ...
I liked the city and I am sorry for their situation, but I support them in their fight... have a nice day :-)))
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Apr 6, 2011 1:26 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
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An immigrant boat capsized some 40 miles southwest of Lampedusa today causing many confirmed deaths and an unknown number still lost at sea. A total of 49 immigrants have been rescued and 20 bodies have so far been recovered in the area as the search goes on. The boat was estimated to have been carrying around 200 people.

Maltese forces confirmed that the Malta Rescue Centre had been in contact with the boat, some two hours before the incident happened. At the time it was still proceeding towards Lampedusa. Malta was in contact with both Italian and Nato authorities and when it was suspected that the vessel was in difficulties, Italy confirmed that an Italian fishing vessel was in the vicinity. Later Italian coastguard rescue vessels rescued 46 people while a further 3 people were rescued by the fishing boat.

"We are still hoping. Our boats and helicopters have thrown all sorts of lifejackets and lifeboats to allow people to hold on," a coast guard official said.
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Apr 6, 2011 1:30 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
tomcatwarne
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Aswina: hi Zeus,
fine to read your news about Libya ... by the way, between 1991-1993 we stayed and worked in Benghazi with my dead husband ...
I liked the city and I am sorry for their situation, but I support them in their fight... have a nice day :-)))



Soory about your husband, peace enfold you cool
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Apr 6, 2011 1:31 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
Aswina: hi Zeus,
fine to read your news about Libya ... by the way, between 1991-1993 we stayed and worked in Benghazi with my dead husband ...
I liked the city and I am sorry for their situation, but I support them in their fight... have a nice day :-)))
Short to hear about your husband Aswina... I suppose this crisis has a personal meaning to you since you lived there and have fond memories of the place. sad flower
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Apr 6, 2011 1:54 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
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Following complaints from Benghazi about the ineffectiveness of Nato missions, Britain has changed the role of 4 of its Typhoon aircraft from policing the no-fly zone to ground targets.

In a statement the ministry of defence said that the move is aimed to bolster Nato's ground attack capability.
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Apr 6, 2011 2:15 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
As fighting continued today, the revolutionary forces regained some ground between Ajdabiya and Brega but their gain was mostly desert road.

Following various skirmishes and rocket exchanges it seems little progress has been achieved as both sides keep pushing the frontline back and forth over the same area.

The main differences on the rebel side being that they are attempting to keep inexperienced fighters away from the front, as these are proving easy targets for Gaddafi forces, often retreating in panic after heavy attacks. When possible, Ex-army personnel and defectors are being utilised on the front in an effort to hold their ground and to be more on equal footing with the more professional government forces.
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Apr 6, 2011 2:23 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
tomcatwarne: Soory about your husband, peace enfold you

thanks Tom, long time ago...
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Apr 6, 2011 2:24 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
zeus911: Short to hear about your husband Aswina... I suppose this crisis has a personal meaning to you since you lived there and have fond memories of the place.


You are right, personal point of view, many streets and places shown on TV.. I just remember driving or walking on... sad :(
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Apr 6, 2011 6:21 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Buffy327
Buffy327Buffy327Somewhere, Georgia USA5 Threads 1,527 Posts
zeus911: An immigrant boat capsized some 40 miles southwest of Lampedusa today causing many confirmed deaths and an unknown number still lost at sea. A total of 49 immigrants have been rescued and 20 bodies have so far been recovered in the area as the search goes on. The boat was estimated to have been carrying around 200 people.

Maltese forces confirmed that the Malta Rescue Centre had been in contact with the boat, some two hours before the incident happened. At the time it was still proceeding towards Lampedusa. Malta was in contact with both Italian and Nato authorities and when it was suspected that the vessel was in difficulties, Italy confirmed that an Italian fishing vessel was in the vicinity. Later Italian coastguard rescue vessels rescued 46 people while a further 3 people were rescued by the fishing boat.

"We are still hoping. Our boats and helicopters have thrown all sorts of lifejackets and lifeboats to allow people to hold on," a coast guard official said.


sad flower sad flower
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Apr 7, 2011 1:23 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
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Following yesterday's capsized tragedy incident, the number of migrants rescued from the sea has risen to 53, but estimates of the number of persons on board have risen to some 300, authorities report. The initial estimates had been of around 200, but survivors indicated there were many more.

An intensive search is continuing between Lampedusa and Malta with coastguard boats and aircraft from both countries participating.

Italian authorities report that tens of lifeless bodies have been retrieved from the sea close to Lampedusa, including women and children. Luckily a heavily pregnant woman was among those rescued.
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Apr 7, 2011 2:05 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Albertaghost
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bollywood: writing


bollywood = troll
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Apr 7, 2011 5:17 AM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
Malta and Italy seem to be once again at odds following the above boat tragedy.

This morning Italian Home Affairs Minister Roberto Maroni stopping short of blaming the island, implied that Malta once again lacked in this case. The Italian Minister stated that in spite of the capsized vessel being in the Malta-assigned search-and-rescue zone, Malta had requested Italy to intervene as he said that Malta "did not have naval assets for a rescue".

Needless to say, Italian Media have jumped on to this accusation and Malta is being thrashed on major Italian TV talk shows and news updates as I write.

While it is true that the Lampedusa region does fall under the Malta-supervised search-and-rescue area, Malta advised the closest vessels to the scene, which in this case were Italian Coastguard and a Fishing vessel.

Yesterday’s migrants’ boat accident took place some 40 miles south west of Lampedusa, and about 100 nautical miles south of Malta. The real reason for Italy's constant jibes about Malta's rescue zone is that Italy expects Maltese authorities to intervene in the Lampedusa region so that any immigrants picked up would end up in Malta instead.

I do not wish to state who is right or wrong in this issue but I do feel it is insensitive to score political points from a human tragedy.
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