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Mar 18, 2011 1:54 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Buffy327
Buffy327Buffy327Somewhere, Georgia USA5 Threads 1,527 Posts
zeus911: The Libyan Embassy in Malta is apparently preparing itself for war as all bordering walls and fences have been fenced in with barbed wire and the main gate has been additionally secured with a thick chain and padlocked. It is not clear what has made the Ambassador who still pledges allegiance to Gaddafi take this extreme decision to baricade the premises in such a drastic manner.

Daily protests by Libyan nationals in Malta have been held in front of the embassy since the start of this crisis but at no point was the embassy or its personnel in any danger and the building has had constant police protection all along.


angel Malta will be added to the list of prayers going up now...
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Mar 18, 2011 1:56 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
DeVino: The post I made does not mention air space either, just bases.
No you didn't but as the 'air-space' in question happens to be above my head, I thought I'd mention it...
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Mar 18, 2011 2:05 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
Earlier this morning, Malta withdrew its last Maltese citizen from the Maltese Embassy in Tripoli and has leftt the country.

A spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said the embassy is now manned solely by locally engaged staff.
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Mar 18, 2011 2:19 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
In a speech delivered earlier, US President Barack Obama described events unfolding in Libya and explained the position of the United States. Regarding the Libyan leader, Obama said "Once again, Gaddafi chose to ignore the will of his people and the international community."

Towards the end of his speech, the president emphasized his country's role:

"But I want to be clear: the change in the region will not and cannot be imposed by the United States or any foreign power. Ultimately it will be driven by the people of the Arab world. It is their right and their responsibility to determine their own destiny."
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Mar 18, 2011 2:21 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
""Summary

By offering a cease-fire and inviting nongovernmental groups to conduct fact-finding missions, however, Gadhafi is betting that the European nations will lose the political justification for an attack and that political disagreements over military action within European nations can further weaken their already weak resolve. Europeans in general are war-weary from their involvement in NATO’s operations in Afghanistan. They only will support an intervention in Libya if Gadhafi clearly is committing gross violations of human rights. It will be difficult for Paris and London to prove that Gadhafi is indeed committing such acts or to ignore the cease-fire announcement or the invitation to verify it. The immediate reply from France was that it would deal with the cease-fire declaration with caution and that the threat on the ground was unchanged. But the backlash at home against an intervention in light of Gadhafi’s comments is not something European governments can overlook easily, especially since the most powerful EU member state, Germany, already has buckled under the domestic political strain and expressed skepticism toward a military operation.

Assuming Gadhafi follows through with the cease-fire, how it will affect his operations against the rebels remains in question. Gadhafi may feel the rebels have been suppressed such that he can mop up the remainder through police actions in urban settings. Alternatively, he may feel the rebels are so thoroughly entrenched in their stronghold of Benghazi that he cannot dislodge them under the threat of Western airstrikes — and is therefore cutting his losses and preserving the integrity of his forces from potential Franco-British-American air attacks. Ultimately, the cease-fire could be a delaying action while Gadhafi builds a stronger position around Benghazi. This would not be without risks, however, as it will give French and British air assets time to deploy in air bases in the Mediterranean, better positioning them to enforce a no-fly zone.

That said, the Security Council has authorized a no-fly zone, which means that while assaulting Gadhafi’s ground forces directly may be stalled by the cease-fire statement, establishing a no-fly zone is not. It is also likely that Europeans will respond to the statement with further demands on Gadhafi, such as that he must resign as leader of the country or that he must withdraw his troops from eastern Libya and possibly even other cities in the west that have seen fierce resistance, like Misurata and Zawiya. Both of these demands would be difficult for Gadhafi to accept. The establishment and enforcement of the no-fly zone may still go ahead, but attacking Gadhafi’s forces directly will become difficult in the immediate term.

Read more: Libya Crisis: Implications of the Cease-Fire | STRATFOR""
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Mar 18, 2011 2:23 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Buffy327
Buffy327Buffy327Somewhere, Georgia USA5 Threads 1,527 Posts
thumbs up Conditions were also given effective immediately to cease fire, allow food and supplies across their borders, and added the conditions were non negotiable.....thumbs up
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Mar 18, 2011 3:02 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
Al Jazeera reports indicate that pro-Gaddafi forces could be advancing towards Benghazi, and be as little as 50km away.
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Mar 18, 2011 3:03 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
DeVino
DeVinoDeVinoValle San Felice, Trentino-Alto Adige Italy89 Posts
zeus911: Al Jazeera reports indicate that pro-Gaddafi forces could be advancing towards Benghazi, and be as little as 50km away.


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2000: Julian Borger, writing in his Guardian blog, says the time pressure on the UN coalition is intense. "If Benghazi falls before the air operation gets off the ground, it would be the worst of all worlds," he writes. "Gaddafi will have defied the UN, and any subsequent air strikes against his forces could simply worsen the reprisals against the rebels and the people of Benghazi."
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Mar 18, 2011 3:04 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
tallman51
tallman51tallman51Limerick, Ireland9 Threads 1 Polls 3,327 Posts
Gadaffi and son need to sent to the Fletcher Memorial Home !!
It is a home for incurable tyrants and kings.......
Is everyone in ?........Now the final solution can be applied !!

Taken From Pink Floyd's last album " The Final Cut ""
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Mar 18, 2011 4:20 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
Reuters quotes the Libyan deputy foreign minister Khaled Kaim as saying there has been "no bombardment of any kind" by government forces in Libya since the "ceasefire" was announced earlier today.

He also said that the presence of government troops near Benghazi does not violate the "ceasefire" as he claims that the troops will not enter Benghazi.
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Mar 18, 2011 4:22 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
virgosingle
virgosinglevirgosinglegreymouth, West Coast New Zealand10 Threads 347 Posts
hi its me again , ok I wont go on for long ...The pilots who defected back early in the struggle , can their planes now be refueled and re-armed ??? so that it can be a libya's own people's fight for freedom....and wouldn't the pilots be givin a chance at doing what is right for their own people??
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Mar 18, 2011 4:49 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
virgosingle: hi its me again , ok I wont go on for long ...The pilots who defected back early in the struggle , can their planes now be refueled and re-armed ??? so that it can be a libya's own people's fight for freedom....and wouldn't the pilots be givin a chance at doing what is right for their own people??


Doubt it would happen. The Maltese government would look pretty silly if there was to be an accident or the pilots dropped the bombs in the wrong place, were captured or worse.
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Mar 18, 2011 5:09 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
virgosingle: hi its me again , ok I wont go on for long ...The pilots who defected back early in the struggle , can their planes now be refueled and re-armed ??? so that it can be a libya's own people's fight for freedom....and wouldn't the pilots be givin a chance at doing what is right for their own people??


They would probably have to fly to a country that supports military action. Malta is neutral. Then they would need munitions. Their fighters are Mirage jets so I suspect they need to get to France.

Only two planes/pilots. Not enough but might coax their buddies to fly over to join them.
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Mar 18, 2011 5:11 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
zeus911: Reuters quotes the Libyan deputy foreign minister Khaled Kaim as saying there has been "no bombardment of any kind" by government forces in Libya since the "ceasefire" was announced earlier today.

He also said that the presence of government troops near Benghazi does not violate the "ceasefire" as he claims that the troops will not enter Benghazi.


Encouraging... are the rebels also required to observe this Gadaffi declared cease fire?
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Mar 18, 2011 5:21 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Paldi5: Encouraging... are the rebels also required to observe this Gadaffi declared cease fire?


Nope.
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Mar 18, 2011 6:50 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
virgosingle: hi its me again , ok I wont go on for long ...The pilots who defected back early in the struggle , can their planes now be refueled and re-armed ??? so that it can be a libya's own people's fight for freedom....and wouldn't the pilots be givin a chance at doing what is right for their own people??
Of course technically it can be done. Like we had then disarmed we can re-arm them and use them. But officially these planes are still the property of the Libyan government and using them to attack Libyan targets would be equivalent to an act of war. Gaddafi would obviously be waiting for something like that to accuse Malta and the west of contravening international conventions. And in any case between the British, French, American and all the volunteering countries there is more than enough warplanes so 2 more is not worth creating an international incident.

At this point all countries have to move with caution as Gaddafi will use any excuse to justify any of his actions.
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Mar 18, 2011 6:54 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
A spokesman for the opposition in Misurata told BBC's Radio 4 that government troops with heavy artillery "shot their way into the city" this morning, shelling indisciminantly and causing widespread damage.

This continued until several hours after the ceasefire was declared, he said, adding that troops had since been driven back to the outskirts, but there was still firing there till late evening.
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Mar 18, 2011 7:02 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
zeus911
zeus911zeus911Malta, Xlokk Malta8 Threads 2 Polls 1,000 Posts
A statement issued late this evening by the Maltese Government says that it will 'examine' a request by the Libyan Government to monitor the ceasefire in Libya.

Earlier today, government officials had denied reports that Malta had been requested by Libya 'to monitor and implement' the ceasefire.

The official statement read:

"With reference to the press conference given tonight by Khalid Kaim, the deputy foreign minister of Libya, during which it was stated that the Libyan Government was requesting Malta, China, Turkey and Germany to monitor the ceasefire, the Maltese Government will examine this request within the context of the full implementation of the United Nations resolutions."
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Mar 18, 2011 7:21 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
Tomorrows headline in the Sun newspaper.

GADAFI DUCKS!!!


laugh
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Mar 18, 2011 8:55 PM CST Libya - Latest Updates Part III
The mind boggles at the endless possibilities, book marking post in this thread only
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