PandoraX: Hey, Sunny Boy. Why don't you take a Panadol and get over your own hissy fit.See, ladies. Male PMS is real! As for Carenza's actions, they were perfectly suited to the situation. She didn't allow the situation to escalate, yet managed to get a seat at a busy restaurant in an overcrowded city full of aggressive peeps. I lived in the Hague for a while and visited often, so I do know a bit more about typical behavior there than US/non-Dutch peeps who are criticizing her.
I don't need a panadol, I'm perfectly calm and I don't have a headache, thank you very much.
It seems that the only overly aggressive peeps in this story were women I dislike people who needlessly create a potentially violent situation needlessly and I also dislike peeps who can't take their drink.
If I were in that situation I think I would be more inclined to take my date to another place where we COULD have the romantic dinner that was hoped for, it was doomed the minute she showed any aggression and I went off her as soon as I read it, the same way I just went off you
PandoraX: I'm betting he's Dutch. Don't get me started on my experiences with some of the men in this country.
I hear he is Belgian - close cousins.
When I lived in Belgium 7 years ago I was invited to the Netherlands for the Easter weekend by a Belgian living in the Netherlands near Rotterdam. Boy, was he cheap!
His daughter was visiting from the university. She was nicer, friendlier and more generous than him. He invited me to his house for dinner, didn't take me out. She cooked and even ran out to buy icecream for dessert when she found out there was no dessert. He even complained about me flushing the toliet in his house 2 times when I used it!
SUNSHINEB0Y: methinks the lady doth protest too much
get over it will you?
you were impatient and you had a bit of instant karma Every chinese restaurant I've ever been in has staff employed to look after the customers, if you had used the staff (whatever his or her age) instead of trying to assume the command of other peeps yourself then the outcome you described about the waiter reclaiming the chair would have been the same and you wouldn't have had anything to do with the other customers.
the intoxicated lady would have had somebody through the door who wanted a seat whether it was you or not and would have been asked for it eventually without you getting involved and embarassing everybody.
next time, don't act the monkey......ask your date if he'd like to talk to the organ grinder
Ccincy: I don't care how crowded a place is I think it's silly to argue over a chair etc.
i hope it doesnt seem that i disagree with that ccincy
cuz i dont- but gosh sometimes things escalate even before we realize it and then maybe we regret it
i mean no one is perfect-
like no one here had ever said a cross word to a stranger in the grocery line or hollered at a driver in traffic and it escalates and then ya think 'whoa how did i get into this?--oops!'
mindfful: i hope it doesnt seem that i disagree with that ccincy
cuz i dont- but gosh sometimes things escalate even before we realize it and then maybe we regret it
i mean no one is perfect-
like no one here had ever said a cross word to a stranger in the grocery line or hollered at a driver in traffic and it escalates and then ya think 'whoa how did i get into this?--oops!'
mindfful: i hope it doesnt seem that i disagree with that ccincy
cuz i dont- but gosh sometimes things escalate even before we realize it and then maybe we regret it
i mean no one is perfect-
like no one here had ever said a cross word to a stranger in the grocery line or hollered at a driver in traffic and it escalates and then ya think 'whoa how did i get into this?--oops!'
Not at all. This may be hard to believe but I've never said a cross word to people in the grocery line.Nor have I have gotten cross with another driver in traffic.What's the point they're going to do what they're going to do.lol
Even when my b/f and I were in a diner and a woman was all upset with a waiter cause he had waited on us before her.I just sat there and gave the waiter my order.Why should I stoop to someone elses level cause they wish to make complete fools of themselves in public. I just see no need for conflict.
kidatheart: Some people live for conflict, some don't.
Yep, and I am a Don't live for it...I hope to hell I spend a night fighting over a chair, this will be when u need to get me some help...Quickly because I have lost my mind....
I`d have walloped the cow over the head wif the chair .... ..just jokin...the guy has every right to say he wasnt interested it was only a date..plenty more fish in the sea ..get fishin again CAR...
I had a date last thursday. In my city, shops are open untill 2100 pm on thursday. I had a date, first time, guy I met in real life.
we went for something to eat in the city.
it was crowded and I had a few words with a woman about a seat in the restaurant. she became very ugly towards me....I shall spare you details but in short, I told her to get lost and turned my back at her and her friends. the rest of our time in the restaurant, she kept attacking me verbally........and what did my date do?
sat quietly, ate his meal with the speed of light, kissed farewell and walked away. texting me he had a nice evening out but was not interested.
the knight had rusty armour and his horse was terminal I guess. what a bummer.....not even one word to stand up for me...
I wonder if there is any hope left...
Sorry to hear your date was such a coward..One thing I know about "some" men, not all of them is, when a relationship is new they are kind of scared a little about getting their feet into the water, so you need to be a little cautious about things, especially first impressions and first dates. Im not saying it is your fault at all, obviously it was unfortunate that those ladies were so mean to cause this drama and make you react..If I had been in that situation, I most likely would have either asked him if we could go some place else or wait a little longer untill those ladies calmed down and then had dinner..My guess is he was watching your reaction towards those nasty ladies and he wasnt ready for that so soon. It is easier for us to lose our cool but on a first date, most men are watching our every move..I learned this several years ago when I found this Paige Parker dating advise..It also tells us not to drink more than one drink or two on a first date because a lot of men will assume were booze hags if we drink too much on a first date..Try looking for Paige Parkers dating advise for women..She sends weekly articles that help with dating in todays world...Just type in Google her name and it will show a web site to get signed up..
I had a date last thursday. In my city, shops are open untill 2100 pm on thursday. I had a date, first time, guy I met in real life.
we went for something to eat in the city.
it was crowded and I had a few words with a woman about a seat in the restaurant. she became very ugly towards me....I shall spare you details but in short, I told her to get lost and turned my back at her and her friends. the rest of our time in the restaurant, she kept attacking me verbally........and what did my date do?
sat quietly, ate his meal with the speed of light, kissed farewell and walked away. texting me he had a nice evening out but was not interested.
the knight had rusty armour and his horse was terminal I guess. what a bummer.....not even one word to stand up for me...
I wonder if there is any hope left...
Usually people when they meet for the first time want it to be pleasant and peaceful. Maybe he thought you were too strong to handle for him. When I think about it that even I would not want a scene on a first date. In any case,if his attitude is such you don't need him, do you? So whatever happened, it was for best.
mindfful: i hope it doesnt seem that i disagree with that ccincy
cuz i dont- but gosh sometimes things escalate even before we realize it and then maybe we regret it
i mean no one is perfect-
like no one here had ever said a cross word to a stranger in the grocery line or hollered at a driver in traffic and it escalates and then ya think 'whoa how did i get into this?--oops!'
sorry but it did seem like you were disagreeing with all of us who said it was a foreseeably silly situation to get involved in, and if it hadn't rankled in the mind of the op, the thread wouldn't be here, I think it was rohaan who said it best, inebriated peeps are often capable of saying and doing things that they would possibly not do if they were sober (and I am talking from experience)perhaps the coat lady didn't feel great about the whole thing the next day either, but from the way the grumbling was described it defo would have escalated if the man had interfered. Live and learn, the fact is....we don't live in an ideal world.
when there is something worth fighting over is the time to be counted.
SUNSHINEB0Y: sorry but it did seem like you were disagreeing with all of us who said it was a foreseeably silly situation to get involved in, and if it hadn't rankled in the mind of the op, the thread wouldn't be here, I think it was rohaan who said it best, inebriated peeps are often capable of saying and doing things that they would possibly not do if they were sober (and I am talking from experience)perhaps the coat lady didn't feel great about the whole thing the next day either, but from the way the grumbling was described it defo would have escalated if the man had interfered. Live and learn, the fact is....we don't live in an ideal world.
when there is something worth fighting over is the time to be counted.
what if i was?
disagreeing?
with all of 'us'???
oh well
by the way i wasnt necessarily disagreeing and also- no one can say for definite what would have happened "if" so you can give that theory a rest.
im allowed to not agree or present another side- which is in fact what i did
and if you take a real look at what i said was 'we arent perfect-and we dont live in an ideal world'... quite similar in fact to one of your points
funny to say what is worth fighting for and yet snipe over scraps on a forum
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you go out on a date to a cheap restaurant that you chose, she has no chair and you go ahead and sit and ignore her???? what kind of man is he?
I'm betting he's Dutch.
Don't get me started on my experiences with some of the men in this country.