cincity: This is ridiculous and pointless..There is not one country that has not done wrong to others be they the natives of that country or when trying to take over another...
as opposed to all the other provocative and enlightening conversations to be had here?
Tomcats2: I was looking through the United Staes forums and noticed this on the New York one.
According to a books theories its like this... The burger is to blame the sandwich. Pollution is to blame the industrial revolution. Todays wars are to blame English collonialisation. Greed is to blame for English imperialism. England owes each person on the planet around $4000 compensation for breach of human rights. England is to blame for concentration camps and todays genocidesI was wondering what other people felt about these claims?
To be born English is like winning the lottery of life !
Bodecia: Ok, my Two-Penneth on the Irish Famine issue.
I completely agree that it was a terrible thing to do by the British Whig Government, and was no doubt an attempt to "deal" with the Irish. It is a part of English History that makes my English side ashamed and my Irish side seething. It was heart-wrenching, to read accounts of Irish people losing families, their homes, their livelihoods, in the most terrible ways. They were forced onto land in the West of Ireland that was good for nothing; impossible to grow anything on and bitterly exposed to the Atlantic weather. "Connaught or Hell", indeed...
I have read extensively on this subject as I am very interested in the histories of all countries, and my own in particular.
However, some good did come out of it. Many Irish were forced to emmigrate to the USA, and eventually were able to bring the rest of their families over and start new, prosperous lives. Even before that point, they were able to send "Letters from America" - correspondence containing some funds to send back to their loved ones in Ireland.
The famine also galvanised the Irish people into fighting, and winning their Free Ireland. Although the Isle of Ireland is still indeed split, the South was at least able to eventually create their own homeland.
The histories of England, Ireland and the USA are forever intertwined; rarely does one country's events not touch the other over the centuries. Which is exactly why I believe there is, and always will be a "Special Relationship"; not just between 2 countries but aill 3.
Long may it last.
very nice post! and I recognise you, welcome back!
venusenvy: Sad that you wouldnt know that. Speaks volumes about you. Rather ironic when you consider these are the peeps your attempting to belittle intellectually. Canada ranked 3rd in the world standardized educational testing...Where pray tell did your country rank?
The Irish in General are very Educated. The Irish as you may be aware are welcome all over the world. They have contributed enormously to America Canada Australia and numerous other countries.
Isn't it interesting to notice... that no matter where you are, people find reasons to hate each other... is this the real ying and yang of life? Petty differences?
Whether on the same island or continent, someone is pointing and someone accused... when we are exactly the same people no matter what color, accent or past; we all put our britches on one leg at a time, work, eat, marry and raise families and yet............
bestbeforesomewhere, Dorset, England UK4,701 posts
gininitaly: Isn't it interesting to notice... that no matter where you are, people find reasons to hate each other... is this the real ying and yang of life? Petty differences?
Whether on the same island or continent, someone is pointing and someone accused... when we are exactly the same people no matter what color, accent or past; we all put our britches on one leg at a time, work, eat, marry and raise families and yet............
Hi Gininitaly, Great to see you. I haven't seen you for a while and wondered what had happened to you.
Have to agree with what you say,but then if we all liked each other,there would be nothing to do in the Forums.
Colleene1024West Warwick, Rhode Island USA1,225 posts
Tomcats2: I was looking through the United Staes forums and noticed this on the New York one.
According to a books theories its like this... The burger is to blame the sandwich. Pollution is to blame the industrial revolution. Todays wars are to blame English collonialisation. Greed is to blame for English imperialism. England owes each person on the planet around $4000 compensation for breach of human rights. England is to blame for concentration camps and todays genocidesI was wondering what other people felt about these claims?
Geez! At first I thought my thread was brought back from the grave, then I read this! Besides, it's not so much English, It's the damn Brits!
Hi Best.... Oh just needed a breather out in the real world, where most ford ahead and oddly enough live their little lives pleasantly, oblivious to the worlds machinations.
So for awhile anyway, while the sun shines, might as well take it one day at a time.
gininitaly: Isn't it interesting to notice... that no matter where you are, people find reasons to hate each other... is this the real ying and yang of life? Petty differences?
Whether on the same island or continent, someone is pointing and someone accused... when we are exactly the same people no matter what color, accent or past; we all put our britches on one leg at a time, work, eat, marry and raise families and yet............
Hate wasn't mentioned so why put these words into peoples minds
and what YOU find Petty others dont
One mans meat is another mans poison
Ive got my point of view and I will stick with that get over it
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as opposed to all the other provocative and enlightening conversations to be had here?