Do you think that sending child refugees who are unaccompanied (164)
AgentAjax: I think you hit the nail on the head
LOL nice to agree on something AA
robplum: m i to take it saying events in the uk over the past few days the boat people gillards government are swapping for a thousand others are to blame?
Or are you saying the bombs dropping on people this and other countries started war in are not dropping from the sky?
Are you say the courts are limited in there ability to exercise the jurisdiction the constitution invests in the courts?
What on earth are you saying AA, that people from england are ok but people from somewhere else are not?
I understand the country has been flooded with Muslims, and i don't doubt that will change some aspects of Australian life. That wouldn't surprise me in the least, nor either if that turns into violence either.
But you either have the rule of law or you don't. Just because some people can demonstrate they are more available for exploitation by the greedy in this country, and therefore more suited for acceptance as migrants over others fleeing persecution, violence and all manner of suffering, or have white skin, or suit one religion or whatever the immigration department thinks its doing.
The Constitution says those issues must be heard by the Courts.
Thats what i think
Or are you saying the bombs dropping on people this and other countries started war in are not dropping from the sky?
Are you say the courts are limited in there ability to exercise the jurisdiction the constitution invests in the courts?
What on earth are you saying AA, that people from england are ok but people from somewhere else are not?
I understand the country has been flooded with Muslims, and i don't doubt that will change some aspects of Australian life. That wouldn't surprise me in the least, nor either if that turns into violence either.
But you either have the rule of law or you don't. Just because some people can demonstrate they are more available for exploitation by the greedy in this country, and therefore more suited for acceptance as migrants over others fleeing persecution, violence and all manner of suffering, or have white skin, or suit one religion or whatever the immigration department thinks its doing.
The Constitution says those issues must be heard by the Courts.
Thats what i think
AgentAjax: Nope I don’t believe I said nothing of the sort. Im saying there were Landon bombings, there were Bali bombings…etc Yeah Rob I know, not all Muslims are terrorist… it just happens that all terrorists are Muslims.
I think George Bush was one of the biggest terrorist of all
China threatened John Howard that they would flood Australia with Chinese boat people to
Howard and Ruddic parted with the rule of law both in respect to immigration and in respect to another aspect of the constitution, the right of all Pacific nations including NZ to join the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia to. When one requested to do so, Howard built a detention center on the Island instead.
Merriweather: Violence Silence is Golden....
it is lovely and quiet in this part of the world 
robplum: I think George Bush was one of the biggest terrorist of all
China threatened John Howard that they would flood Australia with Chinese boat people to
Howard and Ruddic parted with the rule of law both in respect to immigration and in respect to another aspect of the constitution, the right of all Pacific nations including NZ to join the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia to. When one requested to do so, Howard built a detention center on the Island instead.
China threatened John Howard that they would flood Australia with Chinese boat people to
Howard and Ruddic parted with the rule of law both in respect to immigration and in respect to another aspect of the constitution, the right of all Pacific nations including NZ to join the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Australia to. When one requested to do so, Howard built a detention center on the Island instead.
Hi Rob...
Do you actually like anyone,
You dont like our previous govt and you dont like our current govt.. Can you find something... anything... that you do like...???
pebblesinastream: it is lovely and quiet in this part of the world
Right, I'm comin to yours.... !!!!!
I cannae stand the noise of the silence...
AgentAjax: Nope I don’t believe I said nothing of the sort. Im saying there were Landon bombings, there were Bali bombings…etc Yeah Rob I know, not all Muslims are terrorist… it just happens that all terrorists are Muslims.
that one in norway wasnt a muslim, he was a freakin born again christian or something like that.
pebblesinastream: that one in norway wasnt a muslim, he was a freakin born again christian or something like that.
There will always be mentally ill. 
I don't know what your asking merriweather, i have more than 30 kg of documents arising from gross violations of my human rights, from way back in 1988 then under howard i sort the federal family court act according to the rules and not something else. Thats been ongoing with documents been filed in the full court and delivered to the High Court this year.
I've also been attempting to obtain a lawful discharge out of the NZ army for the same amount of time. Howard and Clark both invited me to travel to NZ to sort it in 2001, i did and won in the hight court in 2002. In betwen that time NZ government minister had a bullet fired through my window and later the army blatantly lied to the the Human Review Tribunal, i then fled back to Australia and sort political asylum but was told to return NZ so did. Still nothing in either those matters has been resolved.
In 1989 Dalai Lama in the Adelaide got me to accept to explain a teaching he gave, when he lit a flame, handed to Bishop who handed it to me to explain. Which has also been ongoing.
That doesn't make me right in anything, but being spoken down to by female members who clearly don't give a rats about anything other than there world is not something i find funny. As far as AA is concerned he has his opinion and i have mine. The thread you posted was about parents sending unaccompanied children to Australia in boats. And i have been saying there are many reasons why they do and that i disagree with the way they are being unlawfully treated on arrival
I've also been attempting to obtain a lawful discharge out of the NZ army for the same amount of time. Howard and Clark both invited me to travel to NZ to sort it in 2001, i did and won in the hight court in 2002. In betwen that time NZ government minister had a bullet fired through my window and later the army blatantly lied to the the Human Review Tribunal, i then fled back to Australia and sort political asylum but was told to return NZ so did. Still nothing in either those matters has been resolved.
In 1989 Dalai Lama in the Adelaide got me to accept to explain a teaching he gave, when he lit a flame, handed to Bishop who handed it to me to explain. Which has also been ongoing.
That doesn't make me right in anything, but being spoken down to by female members who clearly don't give a rats about anything other than there world is not something i find funny. As far as AA is concerned he has his opinion and i have mine. The thread you posted was about parents sending unaccompanied children to Australia in boats. And i have been saying there are many reasons why they do and that i disagree with the way they are being unlawfully treated on arrival
robplum: I don't know what your asking merriweather, i have more than 30 kg of documents arising from gross violations of my human rights, from way back in 1988 then under howard i sort the federal family court act according to the rules and not something else. Thats been ongoing with documents been filed in the full court and delivered to the High Court this year.
I've also been attempting to obtain a lawful discharge out of the NZ army for the same amount of time. Howard and Clark both invited me to travel to NZ to sort it in 2001, i did and won in the hight court in 2002. In betwen that time NZ government minister had a bullet fired through my window and later the army blatantly lied to the the Human Review Tribunal, i then fled back to Australia and sort political asylum but was told to return NZ so did. Still nothing in either those matters has been resolved.
In 1989 Dalai Lama in the Adelaide got me to accept to explain a teaching he gave, when he lit a flame, handed to Bishop who handed it to me to explain. Which has also been ongoing.
That doesn't make me right in anything, but being spoken down to by female members who clearly don't give a rats about anything other than there world is not something i find funny. As far as AA is concerned he has his opinion and i have mine. The thread you posted was about parents sending unaccompanied children to Australia in boats. And i have been saying there are many reasons why they do and that i disagree with the way they are being unlawfully treated on arrival
I've also been attempting to obtain a lawful discharge out of the NZ army for the same amount of time. Howard and Clark both invited me to travel to NZ to sort it in 2001, i did and won in the hight court in 2002. In betwen that time NZ government minister had a bullet fired through my window and later the army blatantly lied to the the Human Review Tribunal, i then fled back to Australia and sort political asylum but was told to return NZ so did. Still nothing in either those matters has been resolved.
In 1989 Dalai Lama in the Adelaide got me to accept to explain a teaching he gave, when he lit a flame, handed to Bishop who handed it to me to explain. Which has also been ongoing.
That doesn't make me right in anything, but being spoken down to by female members who clearly don't give a rats about anything other than there world is not something i find funny. As far as AA is concerned he has his opinion and i have mine. The thread you posted was about parents sending unaccompanied children to Australia in boats. And i have been saying there are many reasons why they do and that i disagree with the way they are being unlawfully treated on arrival
Hi Rob,
I was asking re should we send unaccompanied minors back to a detention centre in Malaysia.. and how peeps felt about this..
I said I felt well uncomfortable by it... As it is, now quite a lot feel uncomfortable by it, and so far, it has not happened. Some felt that Yes we should... and that is OK too.
It was not about sending them here.. I know they are sent here for all sorts of reasons, and that is frightening too... but sending them back... I was unsure (at the time of posting) if they were going back to their families or going to a detention centre... and either way, playing around with minors does not go down well with me..
BTW... I went to see the Dalai Lama in the Adelaide entertainment centre . I like him.
Yes well i strongly disagree with these people being sent to Malaysia, best as i can tell they fully intend to sent the children to Malaysia not back to there parents.
I do not think the Minister is acting lawfully, i'm certain he is not for the reason i posted, what the constitution says.
I do not think the Minister is acting lawfully, i'm certain he is not for the reason i posted, what the constitution says.
robplum: I don't know what your asking merriweather, i have more than 30 kg of documents arising from gross violations of my human rights, from way back in 1988 then under howard i sort the federal family court act according to the rules and not something else. Thats been ongoing with documents been filed in the full court and delivered to the High Court this year.
I've also been attempting to obtain a lawful discharge out of the NZ army for the same amount of time. Howard and Clark both invited me to travel to NZ to sort it in 2001, i did and won in the hight court in 2002. In betwen that time NZ government minister had a bullet fired through my window and later the army blatantly lied to the the Human Review Tribunal, i then fled back to Australia and sort political asylum but was told to return NZ so did. Still nothing in either those matters has been resolved.
In 1989 Dalai Lama in the Adelaide got me to accept to explain a teaching he gave, when he lit a flame, handed to Bishop who handed it to me to explain. Which has also been ongoing.
That doesn't make me right in anything, but being spoken down to by female members who clearly don't give a rats about anything other than there world is not something i find funny. As far as AA is concerned he has his opinion and i have mine. The thread you posted was about parents sending unaccompanied children to Australia in boats. And i have been saying there are many reasons why they do and that i disagree with the way they are being unlawfully treated on arrival
good on ya mate for doing what you had to do,you had to fight for your rights thats the aussie way,but you called martia a dog,shes just a woman voicing her opinion, same as you voice yours.were supposed to be buddies here,,every one ne eds to cool it.otherwise it wont be a fun place anymore where everyone enjoys themselvesI've also been attempting to obtain a lawful discharge out of the NZ army for the same amount of time. Howard and Clark both invited me to travel to NZ to sort it in 2001, i did and won in the hight court in 2002. In betwen that time NZ government minister had a bullet fired through my window and later the army blatantly lied to the the Human Review Tribunal, i then fled back to Australia and sort political asylum but was told to return NZ so did. Still nothing in either those matters has been resolved.
In 1989 Dalai Lama in the Adelaide got me to accept to explain a teaching he gave, when he lit a flame, handed to Bishop who handed it to me to explain. Which has also been ongoing.
That doesn't make me right in anything, but being spoken down to by female members who clearly don't give a rats about anything other than there world is not something i find funny. As far as AA is concerned he has his opinion and i have mine. The thread you posted was about parents sending unaccompanied children to Australia in boats. And i have been saying there are many reasons why they do and that i disagree with the way they are being unlawfully treated on arrival
daggyone: What a load of BS.
Where you get your information fed to you from is beyond me?
The only families you talk of are the ones who are too lazy to get off their backsides and do a days work. Unlike the imigrants who come and get stuck into working in 7elevens, abatoirs, etc, etc... Our own poor population is too picky and could never lower themselves to doing this sort of work and maybe having a few extra cents in their pockets to give their kids a happy life. No, just blam the refugees and welfare for why they are so poorly. Well you can blame welfare for poverty actually, if we were to get rid of most welfare, the country would be much better off for it. Instead of our kids chasing after the next 1st home buyers scheme or baby bonus to make ends meet, they may actually have to do a hard days work and in the progress learn something about earning their own income and shaping their own destiny rather than being locked into their self imposed welfare poverty traps. It is proven that the more welfare you give, the more poor you create.
Where you get your information fed to you from is beyond me?
The only families you talk of are the ones who are too lazy to get off their backsides and do a days work. Unlike the imigrants who come and get stuck into working in 7elevens, abatoirs, etc, etc... Our own poor population is too picky and could never lower themselves to doing this sort of work and maybe having a few extra cents in their pockets to give their kids a happy life. No, just blam the refugees and welfare for why they are so poorly. Well you can blame welfare for poverty actually, if we were to get rid of most welfare, the country would be much better off for it. Instead of our kids chasing after the next 1st home buyers scheme or baby bonus to make ends meet, they may actually have to do a hard days work and in the progress learn something about earning their own income and shaping their own destiny rather than being locked into their self imposed welfare poverty traps. It is proven that the more welfare you give, the more poor you create.
DaggyOne Hi ah...
I see many of the poor who come and ask for food parcels, and financial counselling/ advocacy... and truly, being fair, I'd say, most are unemployable. For a start, they dont have the education to even know to have a wash ... let alone a bath or shower, and most are on DSP. I have sad thoughts while I arm myself with a can of Glen20 to spray out my reception area when they leave.
We dont have security alarms everywhere for no reason...
pebblesinastream: good on ya mate for doing what you had to do,you had to fight for your rights thats the aussie way,but you called martia a dog,shes just a woman voicing her opinion, same as you voice yours.were supposed to be buddies here,,every one ne eds to cool it.otherwise it wont be a fun place anymore where everyone enjoys themselves
daggyone: What a load of BS.
Where you get your information fed to you from is beyond me?
The only families you talk of are the ones who are too lazy to get off their backsides and do a days work. Unlike the imigrants who come and get stuck into working in 7elevens, abatoirs, etc, etc... Our own poor population is too picky and could never lower themselves to doing this sort of work and maybe having a few extra cents in their pockets to give their kids a happy life. No, just blam the refugees and welfare for why they are so poorly. Well you can blame welfare for poverty actually, if we were to get rid of most welfare, the country would be much better off for it. Instead of our kids chasing after the next 1st home buyers scheme or baby bonus to make ends meet, they may actually have to do a hard days work and in the progress learn something about earning their own income and shaping their own destiny rather than being locked into their self imposed welfare poverty traps. It is proven that the more welfare you give, the more poor you create.
Where you get your information fed to you from is beyond me?
The only families you talk of are the ones who are too lazy to get off their backsides and do a days work. Unlike the imigrants who come and get stuck into working in 7elevens, abatoirs, etc, etc... Our own poor population is too picky and could never lower themselves to doing this sort of work and maybe having a few extra cents in their pockets to give their kids a happy life. No, just blam the refugees and welfare for why they are so poorly. Well you can blame welfare for poverty actually, if we were to get rid of most welfare, the country would be much better off for it. Instead of our kids chasing after the next 1st home buyers scheme or baby bonus to make ends meet, they may actually have to do a hard days work and in the progress learn something about earning their own income and shaping their own destiny rather than being locked into their self imposed welfare poverty traps. It is proven that the more welfare you give, the more poor you create.
I guess you must be another one of those who never turns on the TV or picks up a newspaper.
pebblesinastream: good on ya mate for doing what you had to do,you had to fight for your rights thats the aussie way,but you called martia a dog,shes just a woman voicing her opinion, same as you voice yours.were supposed to be buddies here,,every one ne eds to cool it.otherwise it wont be a fun place anymore where everyone enjoys themselves
I did not call her a dog, i said "They are probably more accustom to living a lower standard than Martia dogs."!
AgentAjax: Oh I like your figures Rob but aren’t you forgetting those figures are been added to already quite a large Muslim communities? Why don’t you post something in reference to UK, France, Germany and Spain where they excide 1. 5 mil. Not a large number compared to other nations, yet the only religion which does not want to comply within their chosen country laws. Even in NSW they want their own schools so their children wouldn’t be influenced by loose western ideologies. Are you telling me Rob this is not happening? What I have noticed about you Rob, you're not moving fast enough with current issues…most of your political view are in past 10ths and the rest is based on some historical accounts which play absolute zero in what is going on in the world today.
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The fore-mentioned boat people represent some thing like less than 3% of the annual immigration intake, they are people fleeing persecution of one form or another.
I know they are not loaded up with cash so the greedy minded thieving motivated people cannot easily exploit them, that some probably don't speak English and probably in many ways they don't measure up to the Aussie inherited Pome, Irish, Scottish winging tradition they probably also lack whatever virtues (if any) the Italians, Greeks and Eastern Europeans brought with them, and certainly will lack the skills Kiwi's brought to the table.
However they are human beings fleeing violence, persecution, hunger and poverty. Probably some would be fleeing wars this country and its allies politicians entertained themselves with. They are probably more accustom to living a lower standard than Martia dogs. Also probably they will be unaccustomed to submitting to the will of loose minded ladies who talk down to males.
None the less they are your human brothers and sister asking for help, asking for a better life even if they are misguidedly asking a bunch of thieving lying scumbags
That was uncalled for...
I have noticed that the community here on the Aussie Forums is smallish, and I really dont see how not accepting other peoples views is nice..
I think you have brought so much more into this conversation that was called for. And also, from what I see, you are very angry and compare your own personals with anything to do with immigration.
Now perhaps, just think out of the square for a moment, and wonder why different people have different views?. Maybe, just maybe, because not only are we allowed to have our own opinions, and its polite to read other's opinions and either accept or not, but also maybe, our different life experiences lean us either one way or another. .... and by that I mean, those of us who have direct one to one dealing with these people, or those who merely read about them in the media..
I really would not have posted this thread if I thought it was going to be judgemental on replies...