Do you think that sending child refugees who are unaccompanied (164)
I am of the opposite opinion.
But then I am also a born pessimist. And I am believing the press. Its a scam to short cut the red tape.
If the Parents loved there children They wouldn't risk them like that. You send a child off on its own, its not likely the child will survive untainted by the slime of human civilisation. Even if it got through to the Australian Authorities. What then. The child services don't exactly have the best of reputations. And you only hear of a small percentage of the actual horror stories.
No the parents don't care they are using the child as a tool. Send the child back to what it knows and imprison the Parents for sending the child like they have.
But then I am also a born pessimist. And I am believing the press. Its a scam to short cut the red tape.
If the Parents loved there children They wouldn't risk them like that. You send a child off on its own, its not likely the child will survive untainted by the slime of human civilisation. Even if it got through to the Australian Authorities. What then. The child services don't exactly have the best of reputations. And you only hear of a small percentage of the actual horror stories.
No the parents don't care they are using the child as a tool. Send the child back to what it knows and imprison the Parents for sending the child like they have.
Merriweather: back to a detention centre in Malaysia is a good thing ?
My view is,
If a family sends their child out on a dangerous journey across the ocean, then there has to be a huge reason for this..
I think that we should accept children, because more than anything, not only are they just that, they are children, and they need to be growing up with opportunities to make something of themselves
. I think that becaue Julia is not a mum, she cannot understand that... I also think that if refugee children come over, they can and will pick up our way of life...and grow to contribute to this country.
I would rather have boatloads of children come and be accepted than old people who are rarely going to want to contribute to this country...
What do you think??
My view is,
If a family sends their child out on a dangerous journey across the ocean, then there has to be a huge reason for this..
I think that we should accept children, because more than anything, not only are they just that, they are children, and they need to be growing up with opportunities to make something of themselves
. I think that becaue Julia is not a mum, she cannot understand that... I also think that if refugee children come over, they can and will pick up our way of life...and grow to contribute to this country.
I would rather have boatloads of children come and be accepted than old people who are rarely going to want to contribute to this country...
What do you think??
Hi Merri, I have worked in one of the detention centres, the one that used to be in Woomera. Some children did travel on their own. Sometimes the parents would follow. There may or may not be good reason, but I do agree with the foreign minister that we should not have have loopholes(such as a lone travelling child) to the policy of deporting all boat people back to Malaysia. This is the only way to discourage people smuggling as the parents or other family member would have paid $15-20,000 to the smugglers who would have promised them that this way they too would be soon allowed into teh country. I think once the people smugglers test this and find out we do not weaken our position, then there will be no more such dangerous boat trips. The true refugees wait their turn in Malaysia and are processed to enter Australia and welcomed into the country. This is already starting to happen.
I don't think we should bring Julia's child bearing status into the equation though. It has nothing to do with policy making. It only emotionalises the issue which is not what it's about.
Children are the innocent victims - they don't get asked they get told - they are frightened and scared - we wouldn't do that to our own kids - so YES accept the children - at least most of them might have some kind of future particularly the girls ..
islandgirl62: Children are the innocent victims - they don't get asked they get told - they are frightened and scared - we wouldn't do that to our own kids - so YES accept the children - at least most of them might have some kind of future particularly the girls ..
Not really. One little boy who crossed the seas on his own, whom I interviewed in Woomera, though it was a great adventure. That is not the point. They should not be subjected to such dangerous conditions. What is wrong with the parents remaining with their child(ren) and wait it out together in Malaysia???
Hi all,
My intention was not to bash Julia... just stating the obvious... a person who is a parent, in my view, has perhaps a little more ... gosh, I dont even know the correct word to use here... but mingle, love for a child, compassion, that certain parent bond feeling..
I am not at all comfortable that children are being sent away... I think we should keep any child who has already been through that terrible journey, and more than that... look after and educate children...
Because I am a mum, I hate that children are being used here...
My intention was not to bash Julia... just stating the obvious... a person who is a parent, in my view, has perhaps a little more ... gosh, I dont even know the correct word to use here... but mingle, love for a child, compassion, that certain parent bond feeling..
I am not at all comfortable that children are being sent away... I think we should keep any child who has already been through that terrible journey, and more than that... look after and educate children...
Because I am a mum, I hate that children are being used here...
dragondog4: I am of the opposite opinion.
But then I am also a born pessimist. And I am believing the press. Its a scam to short cut the red tape.
If the Parents loved there children They wouldn't risk them like that. You send a child off on its own, its not likely the child will survive untainted by the slime of human civilisation. Even if it got through to the Australian Authorities. What then. The child services don't exactly have the best of reputations. And you only hear of a small percentage of the actual horror stories.
No the parents don't care they are using the child as a tool. Send the child back to what it knows and imprison the Parents for sending the child like they have.
But then I am also a born pessimist. And I am believing the press. Its a scam to short cut the red tape.
If the Parents loved there children They wouldn't risk them like that. You send a child off on its own, its not likely the child will survive untainted by the slime of human civilisation. Even if it got through to the Australian Authorities. What then. The child services don't exactly have the best of reputations. And you only hear of a small percentage of the actual horror stories.
No the parents don't care they are using the child as a tool. Send the child back to what it knows and imprison the Parents for sending the child like they have.
I partly agree .. but I dont think we should send children back.. because what I find unclear is... are we sending the children back to their parents or are we sending them back to a detention centre for more misery??
islandgirl62: Children are the innocent victims - they don't get asked they get told - they are frightened and scared - we wouldn't do that to our own kids - so YES accept the children - at least most of them might have some kind of future particularly the girls ..
I think we think the same here IslandG
islandgirl62: Children are the innocent victims - they don't get asked they get told - they are frightened and scared - we wouldn't do that to our own kids - so YES accept the children - at least most of them might have some kind of future particularly the girls ..
y the girls?Merriweather: Hi all,
My intention was not to bash Julia... just stating the obvious... a person who is a parent, in my view, has perhaps a little more ... gosh, I dont even know the correct word to use here... but mingle, love for a child, compassion, that certain parent bond feeling..
I am not at all comfortable that children are being sent away... I think we should keep any child who has already been through that terrible journey, and more than that... look after and educate children...
Because I am a mum, I hate that children are being used here...
My intention was not to bash Julia... just stating the obvious... a person who is a parent, in my view, has perhaps a little more ... gosh, I dont even know the correct word to use here... but mingle, love for a child, compassion, that certain parent bond feeling..
I am not at all comfortable that children are being sent away... I think we should keep any child who has already been through that terrible journey, and more than that... look after and educate children...
Because I am a mum, I hate that children are being used here...
As you know, I am a mum too. And a person who very much cares about children and their physical and mental welfare. It is not a simple issue.
Yes, children are being used. Often by the parents, not just the people smugglers. Children should never be sent on such voyages on their own. Just because they were, does not mean that the parents had their welfare necessarily in mind. It would ahve to do with the fact that those parents know that they would fail the normal refugee status criteria, so they send their child ahead alone. What are they thinking??? This behaviour should not be encouraged. Being emotional about it, and allowing the child to stay, will do just that. Encourage further irresponsible behaviour on the part of parents in a similar position.
In Granada, Spain, I saw babies in mothers' arms. Their eyes were rolling back. I realised these babies are drugged by their mothers in the hope of attracting sympathy from passers by, especially tourists. I refused to give moeny to those gypsies as I did not want to reinforce such horrifying treatment of innocent babies.
Its really like a large orphanage.the children are there,and need ahome.also i wouldnt say julia gillard doesnt know about children because shes not a mother.all women have an instinct of motherhood,its natural.thats an unfair statement.i dont like gillard,butshe doesnt make the decisions,it has to be voted on.
Merriweather: I partly agree .. but I dont think we should send children back.. because what I find unclear is... are we sending the children back to their parents or are we sending them back to a detention centre for more misery??
That's the thing. People do not have all the facts.
The Federal government Minister is going to great lengths working very closely with the Malaysian govt, to ensure these children are provided with a safe environment, with basic medical and education services. They are are also transported there safely by Australian authorities. Both governments want to stamp out people smuggling and encourage proper refugee intake into Australia, and keep both adults and children safe.
Send young female or male children, unaccompanied in rough seas in crowded overloaded boats must be stopped. There is only one way to achieve this and that is to do what is being done now.
It is much the same as reinforcing any other kind of wanted behaviour. You reinforce wanted bahaviour. Not unwanted. There is no middle ground. If you are inconsistent, then the unwanted behaviour not only continues, but through intermittent reinforcement(that is, to be inconsistent) only increases the behaviour. In this case, encourages even more parents, sending children alone just so they hopefully bypass the usual refugee requirements.
As you can see, I have very definite views on this. And that is becasue I do care about the welfare of children. But I am not shortsighted about it.
venere08: As you know, I am a mum too. And a person who very much cares about children and their physical and mental welfare. It is not a simple issue.
Yes, children are being used. Often by the parents, not just the people smugglers. Children should never be sent on such voyages on their own. Just because they were, does not mean that the parents had their welfare necessarily in mind. It would ahve to do with the fact that those parents know that they would fail the normal refugee status criteria, so they send their child ahead alone. What are they thinking??? This behaviour should not be encouraged. Being emotional about it, and allowing the child to stay, will do just that. Encourage further irresponsible behaviour on the part of parents in a similar position.
In Granada, Spain, I saw babies in mothers' arms. Their eyes were rolling back. I realised these babies are drugged by their mothers in the hope of attracting sympathy from passers by, especially tourists. I refused to give moeny to those gypsies as I did not want to reinforce such horrifying treatment of innocent babies.
Yes, children are being used. Often by the parents, not just the people smugglers. Children should never be sent on such voyages on their own. Just because they were, does not mean that the parents had their welfare necessarily in mind. It would ahve to do with the fact that those parents know that they would fail the normal refugee status criteria, so they send their child ahead alone. What are they thinking??? This behaviour should not be encouraged. Being emotional about it, and allowing the child to stay, will do just that. Encourage further irresponsible behaviour on the part of parents in a similar position.
In Granada, Spain, I saw babies in mothers' arms. Their eyes were rolling back. I realised these babies are drugged by their mothers in the hope of attracting sympathy from passers by, especially tourists. I refused to give moeny to those gypsies as I did not want to reinforce such horrifying treatment of innocent babies.
See Venere,
all the more reason to keep the children here... I find special little people, if given some love and education will grow up to be special adults with lots to give .
Its OK that we dont agree... I still think youre lovely.
Having an ex who has spent a great deal of time in Malaysia - all I can say is that the girls from the phillipines, Indonesia, etc, end up moving away from home (either married or single) earning a pittance to support themselves and their families - a mutal friend kindly donated his time to teaching the girls english, some other mutal friends banded together to pay for air fare for these girls to go home - I honestly can't comment on the boys as I never heard any stories regarding them...::dunno:
pebblesinastream: Its really like a large orphanage.the children are there,and need ahome.also i wouldnt say julia gillard doesnt know about children because shes not a mother.all women have an instinct of motherhood,its natural.thats an unfair statement.i dont like gillard,butshe doesnt make the decisions,it has to be voted on.
Hi Pebbles,
Thanks for your comment... however, I dont believe all women have an instinct for motherhood... But thats OK if you think that...
Merriweather: See Venere,
all the more reason to keep the children here... I find special little people, if given some love and education will grow up to be special adults with lots to give .
Its OK that we dont agree... I still think youre lovely.
all the more reason to keep the children here... I find special little people, if given some love and education will grow up to be special adults with lots to give .
Its OK that we dont agree... I still think youre lovely.
It's not about not thinking that it would be nice to keep the children here.
Parents packing their child off on such a dangerous journey, for what is essentially their own ends, should not be encouraged. Sorry if it is hard to grapple with, but it truly is the only way to discourage and stop this action.
it's OK, Merri. This isn't any kind of personal attack on anyone, so it's nice to know you still think I'm lovely.
... We are all just putting in our two cents worth.pebblesinastream: whole pint is ,if the government got it right the first time ,there wouldnt be any boaties here
Righto ... lets have a pint..
Pebbles,
Do you mean, Johnny got it right, the boatloads did diminish in numbers for quite some time... ??????????
Then all of a sudden... whooosh.. back they came
Merriweather: Hi Pebbles,
Thanks for your comment... however, I dont believe all women have an instinct for motherhood... But thats OK if you think that...
Thanks for your comment... however, I dont believe all women have an instinct for motherhood... But thats OK if you think that...
The Foreign Minister is a male. I guess he has an instinct for fatherhood. Let us presume the children also have a father.
islandgirl62: Having an ex who has spent a great deal of time in Malaysia - all I can say is that the girls from the phillipines, Indonesia, etc, end up moving away from home (either married or single) earning a pittance to support themselves and their families - a mutal friend kindly donated his time to teaching the girls english, some other mutal friends banded together to pay for air fare for these girls to go home - I honestly can't comment on the boys as I never heard any stories regarding them...::dunno:
I understand that once returned to Malaysia, their refugee status will be processed and considered from there. If they are deemed to be true refugees, then they are accepted into Australia, including the children, whoc in the meantime, are being given safe haven, and basic medical and education services.
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My view is,
If a family sends their child out on a dangerous journey across the ocean, then there has to be a huge reason for this..
I think that we should accept children, because more than anything, not only are they just that, they are children, and they need to be growing up with opportunities to make something of themselves
. I think that becaue Julia is not a mum, she cannot understand that... I also think that if refugee children come over, they can and will pick up our way of life...and grow to contribute to this country.
I would rather have boatloads of children come and be accepted than old people who are rarely going to want to contribute to this country...
What do you think??