Ban live export trade- today is National call your MP day (72)
daggyone: I watched the world's biggest ships about the vessel that transports bullocks to Indonesia, the largest ship of its type. The cows go onboard in worse condition than they come off, air cooling and fume removal systems, fresh water and regular feed. Stock handlers from Aus watch the cattle and issolate any cattle that may infect other cattle of are just lame but isolate them to be safe and give them extra hay and feed to recondition them.
Personally, the people supporting these crack pot schemes to remove any industry where we bring $$$ into our poor old country would be happy if every coal mine was closed down, if every cotton farm refused water, if Uranium exports were stopped and all Murray/Darling irrigation shutdown.
Now we don't sell anything o/seas where do we get the $$$ to buy the imports we love so much?
Personally, the people supporting these crack pot schemes to remove any industry where we bring $$$ into our poor old country would be happy if every coal mine was closed down, if every cotton farm refused water, if Uranium exports were stopped and all Murray/Darling irrigation shutdown.
Now we don't sell anything o/seas where do we get the $$$ to buy the imports we love so much?
No one said anything about not selling anything overseas, this topic is about live animal exports
Why is it that as soon as anyone expresses concern for animals or the environment they are perceived as tree-hugging, tofu-eating crackpots 
serene56: No one said anything about not selling anything overseas, this topic is about live animal exports
i find it highly offensive that so few can make so many suffer job losses, loss of income and their business all in the name of their right and everything else is wrong.It will be interesting to see how we go when the holes we dig the gold out of are empty.
What are we supposed to trade with when the logging is closed down by Anaconda in Tassie?
Who will pay our pension and how will we be cash flow positive as a country if we turn into a net importer like many other failing countries around the globe who listened to their green Carbon Tax electors and closed down any power hungry smelters and sent them offshore to where carbon hungry power was still cheap.
serene56: Why is it that as soon as anyone expresses concern for animals or the environment they are perceived as tree-hugging, tofu-eating crackpots
because they have no sense of reality, ie: even the retailers are failing and closing stores so where will everyone work once environmentalists close down all of the non green enterprises? Maybe we all just end up like Greece with more people on pensions and the dole than working?daggyone: because they have no sense of reality, ie: even the retailers are failing and closing stores so where will everyone work once environmentalists close down all of the non green enterprises? Maybe we all just end up like Greece with more people on pensions and the dole than working?
My question related to concern, not placard-waving loonies. I see nothing wrong with people doing their bit to conserve the environment and as far as animal cruelty is concerned, it will always be wrong in my books, no matter who has a hankerin for a hamburger.
Sorry
seems to me quite few topics are mixed in this thread
i don't think others have a right to takes away peoples livelihoods, myself i prefer not to get involved in killing trips, fishing, killing bugs on veggies just so others can delude themselves they are absconding from causing harm to other sentient beings, growing cattle or sheep for meat, however others rely in those activities for there livelihoods.
Also i don't think government should be involved in selling the forests of this country to make cardboard, or anybody else. Timber and food for the peoples needs is different to profiting from the suffering of others, fish, cows, bugs and the likes are migrating from life to life just as we are. Its only through ignorance of humans not using the ability to reason that appropriate answers are not been implemented.
Its easy to be driven by emotional clap trap, but no so easy to fathom true reality
i don't think others have a right to takes away peoples livelihoods, myself i prefer not to get involved in killing trips, fishing, killing bugs on veggies just so others can delude themselves they are absconding from causing harm to other sentient beings, growing cattle or sheep for meat, however others rely in those activities for there livelihoods.
Also i don't think government should be involved in selling the forests of this country to make cardboard, or anybody else. Timber and food for the peoples needs is different to profiting from the suffering of others, fish, cows, bugs and the likes are migrating from life to life just as we are. Its only through ignorance of humans not using the ability to reason that appropriate answers are not been implemented.
Its easy to be driven by emotional clap trap, but no so easy to fathom true reality
serene56: My question related to concern, not placard-waving loonies. I see nothing wrong with people doing their bit to conserve the environment and as far as animal cruelty is concerned, it will always be wrong in my books, no matter who has a hankerin for a hamburger.
Sorry
It's quite simple really, people need to mind their own business, ie: do the best in the industry of choice and keep their head down, do a hard days work and get paid.Sorry
When everyone else sticks their beaks into someone else's business, it becomes a one way political hot potato where the only person who will win are the lobby groups.
Maybe the govt would have been better off spending the $30mil in compensation to farmers on new stun guns and educating the slaughter men in Indonesia rather than closing down a profitable export industry for months and effecting farmers livelyhoods due to a political lobby group on Q&A.
robplum: seems to me quite few topics are mixed in this thread
i don't think others have a right to takes away peoples livelihoods, myself i prefer not to get involved in killing trips, fishing, killing bugs on veggies just so others can delude themselves they are absconding from causing harm to other sentient beings, growing cattle or sheep for meat, however others rely in those activities for there livelihoods.
Also i don't think government should be involved in selling the forests of this country to make cardboard, or anybody else. Timber and food for the peoples needs is different to profiting from the suffering of others, fish, cows, bugs and the likes are migrating from life to life just as we are. Its only through ignorance of humans not using the ability to reason that appropriate answers are not been implemented.
Its easy to be driven by emotional clap trap, but no so easy to fathom true reality
Where and how did the products get to your supermarket in what packaging? Cardboard!i don't think others have a right to takes away peoples livelihoods, myself i prefer not to get involved in killing trips, fishing, killing bugs on veggies just so others can delude themselves they are absconding from causing harm to other sentient beings, growing cattle or sheep for meat, however others rely in those activities for there livelihoods.
Also i don't think government should be involved in selling the forests of this country to make cardboard, or anybody else. Timber and food for the peoples needs is different to profiting from the suffering of others, fish, cows, bugs and the likes are migrating from life to life just as we are. Its only through ignorance of humans not using the ability to reason that appropriate answers are not been implemented.
Its easy to be driven by emotional clap trap, but no so easy to fathom true reality
Maybe we should go back to chopping more trees down to transport things in crates like we used to?
The fact that it's re-growth forests that are being shut down by Anaconda owners who had a spare few million$ hanging around would mean nothing to you even if the livelyhood of the loggers, truckers and port hands has been taken away from this highly profitable industry?
Shell225: Personally I cant see why we have to export our livestock live.
We are quiet capable of slaughtering them here and keeping within the religious guidelines of some of these countries.
Was reading the Queensland guidelines, I maybe wrong in my interpretation of this, but I got the jist that a bruise on an animal = 1kg of lost meat.
We are quiet capable of slaughtering them here and keeping within the religious guidelines of some of these countries.
Was reading the Queensland guidelines, I maybe wrong in my interpretation of this, but I got the jist that a bruise on an animal = 1kg of lost meat.
I can see few little problems here. One… the increase would be something like 1800% per kg. I believe life stock to US was around 90c per kg of prime beef in 2011. How much do we pay for prime steak here? Two, it wouldn’t be fresh, not all of the animals get slaughtered straight away. Three, all parts of the animals are used including blood. Four, some cultures like their animals to be killed in a certain way. Five, do we have enough places, people, sanitation…etc to tackle something on that scale? six, freezing facilities, storage and export. Adding all these costs could the poorer countries possible afford Australian beef?
This is for Bushy save your self some embarrassment by not asking why would Australia export beef to US?
daggyone: It's quite simple really, people need to mind their own business, ie: do the best in the industry of choice and keep their head down, do a hard days work and get paid.
When everyone else sticks their beaks into someone else's business, it becomes a one way political hot potato where the only person who will win are the lobby groups.
Maybe the govt would have been better off spending the $30mil in compensation to farmers on new stun guns and educating the slaughter men in Indonesia rather than closing down a profitable export industry for months and effecting farmers livelyhoods due to a political lobby group on Q&A.
When everyone else sticks their beaks into someone else's business, it becomes a one way political hot potato where the only person who will win are the lobby groups.
Maybe the govt would have been better off spending the $30mil in compensation to farmers on new stun guns and educating the slaughter men in Indonesia rather than closing down a profitable export industry for months and effecting farmers livelyhoods due to a political lobby group on Q&A.
You think that those barbaric practices would be halted by intervention from a foreign government?
This is why animal welfare groups get involved with these issues - because it IS a political hot potato, and meanwhile we just stand by and watch this kind of suffering?
Whales anyone?
Education IS the key, I agree, but at the same time, it takes passionate people to raise awareness to the plight of these creatures in the first place.
you express a lot of emotions in that post
i personally think is a very complicated subject, which goes to the cause of our sufferings and thats not a simplistic matter
i personally think is a very complicated subject, which goes to the cause of our sufferings and thats not a simplistic matter
daggyone: Where and how did the products get to your supermarket in what packaging? Cardboard!
Maybe we should go back to chopping more trees down to transport things in crates like we used to?
The fact that it's re-growth forests that are being shut down by Anaconda owners who had a spare few million$ hanging around would mean nothing to you even if the livelyhood of the loggers, truckers and port hands has been taken away from this highly profitable industry?
Maybe we should go back to chopping more trees down to transport things in crates like we used to?
The fact that it's re-growth forests that are being shut down by Anaconda owners who had a spare few million$ hanging around would mean nothing to you even if the livelyhood of the loggers, truckers and port hands has been taken away from this highly profitable industry?
you express a lot of emotions in that post
i personally think is a very complicated subject, which goes to the cause of our sufferings and thats not a simplistic matter
robplum: you express a lot of emotions in that post
i personally think is a very complicated subject, which goes to the cause of our sufferings and thats not a simplistic matter
i personally think is a very complicated subject, which goes to the cause of our sufferings and thats not a simplistic matter
This thread was started in the cause of expressing dismay at the cruelty of live animal export.
Animals have no voice without us
AgentAjax: I can see few little problems here. One… the increase would be something like 1800% per kg. I believe life stock to US was around 90c per kg of prime beef in 2011. How much do we pay for prime steak here? Two, it wouldn’t be fresh, not all of the animals get slaughtered straight away. Three, all parts of the animals are used including blood. Four, some cultures like their animals to be killed in a certain way. Five, do we have enough places, people, sanitation…etc to tackle something on that scale? six, freezing facilities, storage and export. Adding all these costs could the poorer countries possible afford Australian beef?
This is for Bushy save your self some embarrassment by not asking why would Australia export beef to US?
Sell it to the countries who can afford it or go eat camels, most goes to japan anyway.Fark you watch me get into trouble here.This is for Bushy save your self some embarrassment by not asking why would Australia export beef to US?
serene56: This thread was started in the cause of expressing dismay at the cruelty of live animal export.
Animals have no voice without us
well I heard one cow the other day say MOO!! Animals have no voice without us
and another said, damn it I was going to say that. AgentAjax: well I heard one cow the other day say MOO!! and another said, damn it I was going to say that.
Don't patronise me
serene56: You think that those barbaric practices would be halted by intervention from a foreign government?
This is why animal welfare groups get involved with these issues - because it IS a political hot potato, and meanwhile we just stand by and watch this kind of suffering?
Whales anyone?
Education IS the key, I agree, but at the same time, it takes passionate people to raise awareness to the plight of these creatures in the first place.
Where nobody mentions the transport of the livestock is beyond compare once on board these ships, but lets all get on the band wagon and slap the farmers ferociously like there's no tomorrow, whoever's left standing takes all.This is why animal welfare groups get involved with these issues - because it IS a political hot potato, and meanwhile we just stand by and watch this kind of suffering?
Whales anyone?
Education IS the key, I agree, but at the same time, it takes passionate people to raise awareness to the plight of these creatures in the first place.
robplum: you express a lot of emotions in that post
i personally think is a very complicated subject, which goes to the cause of our sufferings and thats not a simplistic matter
and simplistic shotgun hiccup politics doesn't help anyone either.i personally think is a very complicated subject, which goes to the cause of our sufferings and thats not a simplistic matter
I found it funny seeinf Tony Abbot backstep from ditching the miners who fund his campaign by saying he was for poluting the Darling water basin with fracking chemicals like amonia - know to colapse your lungs. Where have all the leaders gone?
daggyone: and simplistic shotgun hiccup politics doesn't help anyone either.
I found it funny seeinf Tony Abbot backstep from ditching the miners who fund his campaign by saying he was for poluting the Darling water basin with fracking chemicals like amonia - know to colapse your lungs. Where have all the leaders gone?
I found it funny seeinf Tony Abbot backstep from ditching the miners who fund his campaign by saying he was for poluting the Darling water basin with fracking chemicals like amonia - know to colapse your lungs. Where have all the leaders gone?
Down the pub - it's $10 steak night
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with a chance to express your outrage at the
brutal live animal export trade which must come to end A.S.A.Phttp://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/national-call-your-MP-day.php
Dont get me started on this! I find it so upsetting how many animals are treated.I think that so many forget that they feel pain just like we do ,they also smell blood and and sense the fear from others.