Alcoholism (61)

Dec 22, 2011 10:40 AM CST Alcoholism
DUBLINGUY1973
DUBLINGUY1973DUBLINGUY1973Dublin, Ireland43 Threads 4 Polls 4,692 Posts
bubbles85: why are people being so disrespectful to the op on a situation that is clearly effecting her and people close to her
she has come on and shared this,looking for some advice and all some seem to just think its great to make fun of it!! now we all like a laugh but its discusting to think that just because some one who has lost their way,turned to drink and people need to rip the piss out of that
we all have our problems and its discusting the way some react
grow up and i hope ye never find yourself in a situation like that!!!i cant give any advice on the situation but hope things work out for her
thumbs up
Dec 22, 2011 10:42 AM CST Alcoholism
luckycharmer
luckycharmerluckycharmerireland, Wicklow Ireland85 Threads 13 Polls 2,019 Posts
bubbles85: why are people being so disrespectful to the op on a situation that is clearly effecting her and people close to her
she has come on and shared this,looking for some advice and all some seem to just think its great to make fun of it!! now we all like a laugh but its discusting to think that just because some one who has lost their way,turned to drink and people need to rip the piss out of that
we all have our problems and its discusting the way some react
grow up and i hope ye never find yourself in a situation like that!!!i cant give any advice on the situation but hope things work out for her
well said bubhug
Dec 22, 2011 10:47 AM CST Alcoholism
kaache
kaachekaacheAlberta, Canada4 Posts
I forgot to say that, while our brother was in rehab, our entire family had to attend counselling as well. We didn't realize it at the time but we were part of the problem. Part of the counselling for us was to set our bottom lines if he decided to quit rehab so that we wouldn't be drawn into his addiction. It was hard to believe at the time, but families do help addicts maintain their addiction. It's also families who help addicts gain control of their lives. Because of counselling, we learned that we were feeding his addiction with "kindness"....out of worry and guilt. Ala-non will help your family and will more than likely be able to suggest help for your sister.
Dec 22, 2011 10:50 AM CST Alcoholism
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
I'm afraid unless she admits to herself she has a problem, there is absolutely nothing you can do for her. It's tough but you may have to sit back and hope she finds her gutter.....a level that she will not let herself slip below. This is painful for a family to watch but I know from bitter experience that until she becomes aware of the damage she is doing, then she will continue to drink. Pleading and bartering is pointless. She is drinking to escape a craving beyond her mental control. So try not to get angry. It won't help.

Perhaps you should consider Al Anon for yourself and your family who will help arrest the spread of the family illness and teach you to let go with love.

I'm sorry I can't offer any better help. My advice doesn't work. It never did but I have a wealth of experience on this subject. I celebrated 14 years of sobriety two days ago on the 20th.

My heart goes out to your sister, your family and yourself. teddybear
Dec 22, 2011 11:07 AM CST Alcoholism
mmmmuntouchable
mmmmuntouchablemmmmuntouchableNorthern ireland, Dublin Ireland10 Threads 309 Posts
Godsgift: I'm afraid unless she admits to herself she has a problem, there is absolutely nothing you can do for her. It's tough but you may have to sit back and hope she finds her gutter.....a level that she will not let herself slip below. This is painful for a family to watch but I know from bitter experience that until she becomes aware of the damage she is doing, then she will continue to drink. Pleading and bartering is pointless. She is drinking to escape a craving beyond her mental control. So try not to get angry. It won't help.

Perhaps you should consider Al Anon for yourself and your family who will help arrest the spread of the family illness and teach you to let go with love.

I'm sorry I can't offer any better help. My advice doesn't work. It never did but I have a wealth of experience on this subject. I celebrated 14 years of sobriety two days ago on the 20th.

My heart goes out to your sister, your family and yourself.
Thanx gg, but its my mother not my sister.. Which makes it worse.. I will try everything in my power to help her kick this. Its so hard to be tough with her. Thanx for ur advice x x
Dec 22, 2011 11:10 AM CST Alcoholism
mmmmuntouchable
mmmmuntouchablemmmmuntouchableNorthern ireland, Dublin Ireland10 Threads 309 Posts
bubbles85: why are people being so disrespectful to the op on a situation that is clearly effecting her and people close to her
she has come on and shared this,looking for some advice and all some seem to just think its great to make fun of it!! now we all like a laugh but its discusting to think that just because some one who has lost their way,turned to drink and people need to rip the piss out of that
we all have our problems and its discusting the way some react
grow up and i hope ye never find yourself in a situation like that!!!i cant give any advice on the situation but hope things work out for her
Thanx bubbles, Im not even letting them get to me (even though I have bubbles of anger in my tummy) She is down your neck of the woods and i must say the services are so crap down there. We have gone to everyone in the longford/leitrim area and to no avail!! teddybear
Dec 22, 2011 11:11 AM CST Alcoholism
mmmmuntouchable
mmmmuntouchablemmmmuntouchableNorthern ireland, Dublin Ireland10 Threads 309 Posts
Godsgift: I'm afraid unless she admits to herself she has a problem, there is absolutely nothing you can do for her. It's tough but you may have to sit back and hope she finds her gutter.....a level that she will not let herself slip below. This is painful for a family to watch but I know from bitter experience that until she becomes aware of the damage she is doing, then she will continue to drink. Pleading and bartering is pointless. She is drinking to escape a craving beyond her mental control. So try not to get angry. It won't help.

Perhaps you should consider Al Anon for yourself and your family who will help arrest the spread of the family illness and teach you to let go with love.

I'm sorry I can't offer any better help. My advice doesn't work. It never did but I have a wealth of experience on this subject. I celebrated 14 years of sobriety two days ago on the 20th.

My heart goes out to your sister, your family and yourself.
and also well done on your success. You should be so proud!! hug
Dec 22, 2011 11:33 AM CST Alcoholism
mmmmuntouchable: and also well done on your success. You should be so proud!!



Hi mmmmmm, a (female) friend of mine went to a facility in East Galway which was part of a well known group of treatment centres. I visited her there a couple of times and was fairly impressed with it. Someone earlier said these treatment centres weren't any good but I don't know...might be worth checking out.
Dec 22, 2011 12:05 PM CST Alcoholism
Losty
LostyLostyDublin, Ireland138 Threads 2 Polls 3,089 Posts
mmmmuntouchable: Thanx gg, but its my mother not my sister.. Which makes it worse.. I will try everything in my power to help her kick this. Its so hard to be tough with her. Thanx for ur advice x x


Mr Gift is one guy who I would definitely listen to on this, Miss Untouchable. He knows a bit more than he lets on (He is awfully modest at timeslaugh ) and I know that he will try help you out if he can.
Dec 22, 2011 12:05 PM CST Alcoholism
fifitheminx
fifitheminxfifitheminxDublin, Ireland35 Threads 4,039 Posts
hey mmmm...

i know the place in athy..know someone who went there.. works for some..but in all honesty..the hardest bit of loving an alcoholic is the fact that they are in control of their destiny...and u have to stand by and watch them destroy them and u.

the only thing u can control is how it affects u...i would recommend al anon..and also not brushing it under the carpet...

way id approach her personally is id tell her she needs some counselling...not AA or a dry out centre..she needs to tackle the underlying issues to what causes her to drink...let her know she can continue drinking while shes getting this help... so that way ur not snatching away her crutch...but ur recognising fact she needs some emotional healing....it might just work in the long run.

whatever happens...i really hope it works out for u..much love n peace sent ur way xxxx
Dec 22, 2011 12:09 PM CST Alcoholism
Laralou
LaralouLaralouWicklow, Ireland24 Threads 3 Polls 975 Posts
mmmmuntouchable: Thanx gg, but its my mother not my sister.. Which makes it worse.. I will try everything in my power to help her kick this. Its so hard to be tough with her. Thanx for ur advice x x


My heart really, really, really goes out to you. My grandmother was an alcoholic and it tore our lives asunder especially my mother's. My mother tried everything (and I mean everything) and nothing worked.

In the end my mother told her (when my granny was sober) that she would always be there for her when she was sober but that she would have nothing to do with her while she was drunk.

My granny never stopped drinking and my mother never stopped feeling guilty but this was the only way my mother to live with it.

Your mother is resposible for her life and what happens to her and you need to be able to live yours in relative peace. Easier said than done I know.hug teddybear
Dec 22, 2011 12:09 PM CST Alcoholism
murt22
murt22murt22galway, Galway Ireland1 Posts
Im afraid your right Sundance..she going to play with her familys emotions as long as they let her..all de talkin in the world will not help .theirs only one person in this world that can help her and thats herself.Sorry but ur going to have to toughing up..ye are part the problem..you find that out sooner are later....
Dec 22, 2011 12:11 PM CST Alcoholism
fifitheminx
fifitheminxfifitheminxDublin, Ireland35 Threads 4,039 Posts
Losty: Mr Gift is one guy who I would definitely listen to on this, Miss Untouchable. He knows a bit more than he lets on (He is awfully modest at times ) and I know that he will try help you out if he can.


and i agree with losty...and as gift says..she may have to find her own gutter..with any addiction the finding urself looking back at urself out of the mad eyes of bewilderment and thinking wtf...do or die...

but id never give up trying with her..but protect urself along the way hon xx
Dec 22, 2011 12:28 PM CST Alcoholism
tell your sister to turn to Christ
Dec 22, 2011 12:30 PM CST Alcoholism
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
pedro27: tell your sister to turn to Christ


Faith without works is dead Pedro. God is God! He's not Santa Clause.

conversing
Dec 22, 2011 12:33 PM CST Alcoholism
Godsgift: Faith without works is dead Pedro. God is God! He's not Santa Clause.


santa is realyay

so is Christ much wiser than all the minds of humans put together!!
Dec 22, 2011 2:02 PM CST Alcoholism
sumrbrez
sumrbrezsumrbrezkerry, Kerry Ireland1 Threads 86 Posts
mmmmuntouchable: Well we have a family member who has turned into a shadow of her former self in the last 2 years. She has been drinking day and night, but, for the last 6 weeks has been doing great after a heart to heart showing our concerns. And then yesterday morning the early morning phone calls started and bang our family is in bits again and its just 3 days to Christmas. Can anyone give advice on what we can do? She doesn't admit she has a problem when drinking but does when sober but says that they'll do it their own way?
We have contacted GP's and clinics but they are disgraceful in their approach..

ADVICE NEEDED!!!!!


The advice I will give is very similar to godsgift as I am now 11 years sober. Treatment and AA worked for me, but its different for everyone. I wanted the madness to stop and would have gone to the moon for help. She is the only person who can change her life and until she makes that decision (or finds her gutter as godsgift put it) all you and your family can do is look after yourselves. She has to accept that she has a problem first and her recovery can start from there but your recovery can start now with alanon. There is hope and I wish you and your family all the best.
Dec 22, 2011 2:04 PM CST Alcoholism
sumrbrez
sumrbrezsumrbrezkerry, Kerry Ireland1 Threads 86 Posts
Godsgift: I'm afraid unless she admits to herself she has a problem, there is absolutely nothing you can do for her. It's tough but you may have to sit back and hope she finds her gutter.....a level that she will not let herself slip below. This is painful for a family to watch but I know from bitter experience that until she becomes aware of the damage she is doing, then she will continue to drink. Pleading and bartering is pointless. She is drinking to escape a craving beyond her mental control. So try not to get angry. It won't help.

Perhaps you should consider Al Anon for yourself and your family who will help arrest the spread of the family illness and teach you to let go with love.

I'm sorry I can't offer any better help. My advice doesn't work. It never did but I have a wealth of experience on this subject. I celebrated 14 years of sobriety two days ago on the 20th.

My heart goes out to your sister, your family and yourself.


handshake
Dec 22, 2011 3:45 PM CST Alcoholism
Sultanofswing
SultanofswingSultanofswingClaremorris, Mayo Ireland16 Posts
perfect9: MY experience of an alcoholic is unless they make up their minds they need and want the help of packing it in.There is very little you can do to help.Sorry to hear of your troubles and good luck.


Agreed 100% and if they have a partner nowadays the treatment has to be for both.

I've dealt with a few of them and one thing i noticed in common was that despite attempting to portray the opposite they were all very selfish people.
Dec 22, 2011 6:37 PM CST Alcoholism
mmmmuntouchable
mmmmuntouchablemmmmuntouchableNorthern ireland, Dublin Ireland10 Threads 309 Posts
murt22: Im afraid your right Sundance..she going to play with her familys emotions as long as they let her..all de talkin in the world will not help .theirs only one person in this world that can help her and thats herself.Sorry but ur going to have to toughing up..ye are part the problem..you find that out sooner are later....
I dont see how you can agree with that excuse for a human being. And I am not a stupid person either but explain how I am part of the problem? I dont mollycoddle her or anything of the sort. I live up north she's in the midlands so I dont have an impact on what she does day to day!! All I have done is tried with every breath I have in me to get her help and get her back to the glamorous amazing lady she once was!!!!!
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