The FA Premiership 2011/2012 Part 2 (251)
vinny1967: What level Utd's level of the 70's or eighties ?
From what I have seen of these guys they are far better owners than the Glazers. They are not in it for the money. I have read a lot of Man U supporters posting something like this but City are here to stay and I can see them competing if not dominating at the top table for the next ten years or so.
From what I have seen of these guys they are far better owners than the Glazers. They are not in it for the money. I have read a lot of Man U supporters posting something like this but City are here to stay and I can see them competing if not dominating at the top table for the next ten years or so.
I am not saying they have bad owners Vinny. All I am saying is when the Russian bought Chelsea and started pumping in the same sort of money and Chelsea won the league everyone said Chelsea were the new top dogs because people could not compete with their spending.
But this turned out to be untrue as the Russian got peed off pumping hundreds of million in. The City ownesr wont pump that amount in forever and then they will find their level. They will still be a top club and a rich club but they wont dominate. They cant generate the same money as a United or Madrid.
vinny1967: What level Utd's level of the 70's or eighties ?
From what I have seen of these guys they are far better owners than the Glazers. They are not in it for the money. I have read a lot of Man U supporters posting something like this but City are here to stay and I can see them competing if not dominating at the top table for the next ten years or so.
From what I have seen of these guys they are far better owners than the Glazers. They are not in it for the money. I have read a lot of Man U supporters posting something like this but City are here to stay and I can see them competing if not dominating at the top table for the next ten years or so.
Next you will be telling us that Stan Kroenke is not in it for the money, Vinny
sofarsogood74: I am not saying they have bad owners Vinny. All I am saying is when the Russian bought Chelsea and started pumping in the same sort of money and Chelsea won the league everyone said Chelsea were the new top dogs because people could not compete with their spending.
But this turned out to be untrue as the Russian got peed off pumping hundreds of million in. The City ownesr wont pump that amount in forever and then they will find their level. They will still be a top club and a rich club but they wont dominate. They cant generate the same money as a United or Madrid.
But this turned out to be untrue as the Russian got peed off pumping hundreds of million in. The City ownesr wont pump that amount in forever and then they will find their level. They will still be a top club and a rich club but they wont dominate. They cant generate the same money as a United or Madrid.
They won't be able to pump in loads of cash soon anyway because of the financial fair play rules.
DUBLINGUY1973: They won't be able to pump in loads of cash soon anyway because of the financial fair play rules.
Well they have already found a way around them. They can just sponser the teams shirts and stadium more money and the fair play rules wont effect them.
sofarsogood74: I am not saying they have bad owners Vinny. All I am saying is when the Russian bought Chelsea and started pumping in the same sort of money and Chelsea won the league everyone said Chelsea were the new top dogs because people could not compete with their spending.
But this turned out to be untrue as the Russian got peed off pumping hundreds of million in. The City ownesr wont pump that amount in forever and then they will find their level. They will still be a top club and a rich club but they wont dominate. They cant generate the same money as a United or Madrid.
But this turned out to be untrue as the Russian got peed off pumping hundreds of million in. The City ownesr wont pump that amount in forever and then they will find their level. They will still be a top club and a rich club but they wont dominate. They cant generate the same money as a United or Madrid.
Yeah I'm not sure they need to generate the same money that Utd or Madrid do, and even then that money goes to who ?? Glazernomice
Abramovich messed up with his selections and impatience of manager's but I still expect them to come back strong. They are not doing too bad this season really and are in with a good chance of lifting the Ch League even after the problems they have.
To be honest I think it will be hard for anyone to dominate like Utd have again, certainly in the foreseeable future, but of the current crop I would back City to win more titles than anyone else over the next ten years.
DUBLINGUY1973: Next you will be telling us that Stan Kroenke is not in it for the money, Vinny
Not saying that at all as I was comparing Glazers to Sheikh Mansour, something you have conveniently missed
Kroenke is not receiving anything form Arsenal unlike the Glazers and I hope he is never let
vinny1967: Yeah I'm not sure they need to generate the same money that Utd or Madrid do, and even then that money goes to who ?? Glazernomice
Abramovich messed up with his selections and impatience of manager's but I still expect them to come back strong. They are not doing too bad this season really and are in with a good chance of lifting the Ch League even after the problems they have.
To be honest I think it will be hard for anyone to dominate like Utd have again, certainly in the foreseeable future, but of the current crop I would back City to win more titles than anyone else over the next ten years.
Abramovich messed up with his selections and impatience of manager's but I still expect them to come back strong. They are not doing too bad this season really and are in with a good chance of lifting the Ch League even after the problems they have.
To be honest I think it will be hard for anyone to dominate like Utd have again, certainly in the foreseeable future, but of the current crop I would back City to win more titles than anyone else over the next ten years.
But thats exactly what I am saying Vin. Thats my point. People said that about Chelsea 5 years ago, Arsenal 10 years ago and Blackburn 17 years ago. But it was United that came out the winner in the long run. Now City have won the Premiership see how patient the owners are when it comes top the Champions League. The Russian was patient at first!
sofarsogood74: Well they have already found a way around them. They can just sponser the teams shirts and stadium more money and the fair play rules wont effect them.
Too many loopholes in what they are trying to do but its a start and hopefully they get it right in the future.
sofarsogood74: But thats exactly what I am saying Vin. Thats my point. People said that about Chelsea 5 years ago, Arsenal 10 years ago and Blackburn 17 years ago. But it was United that came out the winner in the long run. Now City have won the Premiership see how patient the owners are when it comes top the Champions League. The Russian was patient at first!
I understand where you are coming from and they have overcome before. However I don't think the Glaziers are going to compete with City financially and Utd's dominance financially has been eroded over the last ten years. From what I have read of these people they are here to stay and it would not surprise me when they spend 100 million plus this summer to add to what is already the best squad in the premiership. I think they are in it for the long haul.
vinny1967: I understand where you are coming from and they have overcome before. However I don't think the Glaziers are going to compete with City financially and Utd's dominance financially has been eroded over the last ten years. From what I have read of these people they are here to stay and it would not surprise me when they spend 100 million plus this summer to add to what is already the best squad in the premiership. I think they are in it for the long haul.
Oh they are definitely there to stay and they will spend big again this summer. You are dead right. I can see Van Pierse going there.
But like any business men they wont spend like that forever. They will eventually want the club to be self sustainable and City dont have the fan base then to compete.
Chelsea are losing millions every year and can't fill their stadium every week. If the Russian pulled out tomorrow they would collapse into ruin. I am not saying he will pull out though considering he wants to build a new stadium.
My point is if City are to stay at the top these guys will have to pump hundreds of millions if not billions in over the next few years to keep them ahead of United. Will they do that or will they level off with their investment?
vinny1967: Not saying that at all as I was comparing Glazers to Sheikh Mansour, something you have conveniently missed
Kroenke is not receiving anything form Arsenal unlike the Glazers and I hope he is never let
Kroenke is not receiving anything form Arsenal unlike the Glazers and I hope he is never let
I wouldn't bank on that. As for Sheik Mansour, only time will tell if he is in it for the long haul.
sofarsogood74: Oh they are definitely there to stay and they will spend big again this summer. You are dead right. I can see Van Pierse going there.
But like any business men they wont spend like that forever. They will eventually want the club to be self sustainable and City dont have the fan base then to compete.
Chelsea are losing millions every year and can't fill their stadium every week. If the Russian pulled out tomorrow they would collapse into ruin. I am not saying he will pull out though considering he wants to build a new stadium.
My point is if City are to stay at the top these guys will have to pump hundreds of millions if not billions in over the next few years to keep them ahead of United. Will they do that or will they level off with their investment?
But like any business men they wont spend like that forever. They will eventually want the club to be self sustainable and City dont have the fan base then to compete.
Chelsea are losing millions every year and can't fill their stadium every week. If the Russian pulled out tomorrow they would collapse into ruin. I am not saying he will pull out though considering he wants to build a new stadium.
My point is if City are to stay at the top these guys will have to pump hundreds of millions if not billions in over the next few years to keep them ahead of United. Will they do that or will they level off with their investment?
I think Chelsea are a different kettle of fish. They don't, nor have they ever had, the fan base that City have. City are a massive club and I honestly , as a supporter would prefer their owners to the Glaziers. None of us know what the future holds and the same argument can be put forward about the Glaziers. They may stay for a long time milking the club because of their popularity and commercial income. Who knows ?
DUBLINGUY1973: I wouldn't bank on that. As for Sheik Mansour, only time will tell if he is in it for the long haul.
Well we have managed so far and to be honest I think Usmanov would have a huge say in that. This guy could buy Abrahamovic 3 times over and owns 29% of the club.
And only time will tell what the Glaziers intentions are as well
sofarsogood74: Oh they are definitely there to stay and they will spend big again this summer. You are dead right. I can see Van Pierse going there.
But like any business men they wont spend like that forever. They will eventually want the club to be self sustainable and City dont have the fan base then to compete.
Chelsea are losing millions every year and can't fill their stadium every week. If the Russian pulled out tomorrow they would collapse into ruin. I am not saying he will pull out though considering he wants to build a new stadium.
My point is if City are to stay at the top these guys will have to pump hundreds of millions if not billions in over the next few years to keep them ahead of United. Will they do that or will they level off with their investment?
But like any business men they wont spend like that forever. They will eventually want the club to be self sustainable and City dont have the fan base then to compete.
Chelsea are losing millions every year and can't fill their stadium every week. If the Russian pulled out tomorrow they would collapse into ruin. I am not saying he will pull out though considering he wants to build a new stadium.
My point is if City are to stay at the top these guys will have to pump hundreds of millions if not billions in over the next few years to keep them ahead of United. Will they do that or will they level off with their investment?
To be honest, I don't think the issue is just whether will the owner continue to consistently pump money into the club but more importantly, can Roberto Mancini continue to get the respect of his players and get the best out of them? Okay he took a gamble on Tevez bringing him back instead of selling him on the cheap and it paid off because he helped them win the title but surely it sent the wrong message to the rest of his players. Is it now going to go to their heads and think they can throw their toys out of the pram anytime they want and all will be forgiven later?
Balotelli is a prime example. He got himself sent off for the fourth time in the space of 18th months against Arsenal. A game they lost 1-0. After that Mancini said that Balotelli would never play for the club again. Neither of those incidents cost City this season but who is to say it won't in the future?
vinny1967: Things change quickly enough in football and we have gone thru a period of Utd's dominance which followed Liverpool's dominance. Liverpool are a global brand as well but it doesn't mean much when other clubs are performing better than them financially and on the pitch. Look at what happened Leeds and they have a huge fanbase. Decisions made on the finacial side of it can have huge effects on ANY club and none of us know what the future holds.
As I say if we are talking about a club dominating for the next 10 years or so my money would be on City.
As I say if we are talking about a club dominating for the next 10 years or so my money would be on City.
We will have to agree to disagree Vin. I dont think you can compare City and Leeds to United and Liverpool. Ask any football fan any where in the world who United and Liverpool are and they will know.....City and Leeds??? I am not so sure.
Alos sponsorship comes from fan base worldwide. City dont have one. City are there to stay but like Chelsea are there to stay. I cant see them dominating.
sofarsogood74: We will have to agree to disagree Vin. I dont think you can compare City and Leeds to United and Liverpool. Ask any football fan any where in the world who United and Liverpool are and they will know.....City and Leeds??? I am not so sure.
Alos sponsorship comes from fan base worldwide. City dont have one. City are there to stay but like Chelsea are there to stay. I cant see them dominating.
Alos sponsorship comes from fan base worldwide. City dont have one. City are there to stay but like Chelsea are there to stay. I cant see them dominating.
I was only really using Leeds as an example of what can go wrong if a club has the wrong owners. The same could be said of Chelsea 10/15 years ago but now you see Chelsea jerseys all over the world. People tend not to support clubs because of history and I wonder how many new supporters Liverpool have got over the last 10 years comapred to Chelsea. My guess would be Chelsea would have got more worldwide.
Yeah we will have to disagree. I just know who my choice would be as owners
Didnt alex ferguson do well to get 89 pts considering he has no midfield.city were blessed to win the title on sunday.lady luck came their way,big time.
id rather have fergie in charge of my team than mancini.
the city fans were crying with 5 mins to go on sun and mancini was heading for the dole queue.when your luck is in ,your luck is in.well done to city,youse deserved the title because youse were top after 38 games but it could just have easily went to united.roll on next season.
id rather have fergie in charge of my team than mancini.
the city fans were crying with 5 mins to go on sun and mancini was heading for the dole queue.when your luck is in ,your luck is in.well done to city,youse deserved the title because youse were top after 38 games but it could just have easily went to united.roll on next season.
blumoon: Sarcasm is lost on a thick like you.....Surprise surprise
Ur last point is key. United need established players, household names this summer to competevinny1967: You and Ferguson are beginning to sound like Wenger and 'the project' that has led us to have 7 years trophy free
Utd have always been able to compete and surpass other clubs on the financial side of it (up to last few years) and if they are not going to be able to compete financially I worry for their ability to compete. Utd are facing a couple of years of change as I don't think Fergie will go on forever and it will be interesting to see what happens this summer and beyond.
Utd have always been able to compete and surpass other clubs on the financial side of it (up to last few years) and if they are not going to be able to compete financially I worry for their ability to compete. Utd are facing a couple of years of change as I don't think Fergie will go on forever and it will be interesting to see what happens this summer and beyond.
Maybe to some but the difference is that United haven't gone seven seasons without winning a trophy...at least not since the 60s. Clubs come along with their pots of cash ever since the premiership began and rivalled United. Thats the one constant - United.
We saw Blackburn win it in 1995, fall apart after Kenny jumped ship and even Jack Walker's millions couldn't save them. Then a few years later they were relegated.
Then we had Arsenal and United swap the title around for a couple of years.
Then We saw Chelsea come along with their russian billionaire and they won the title for two seasons in a row and everyone said they would be the dominant team for the next ten years. Their form dipped, Mourinho left and they loitered around the top four without really challenging and United won the title again. Then Ancelotti came in and helped them win the double and they were tipped for total domination for a long time again. What happened? Their form dipped again, they won nothing the following season, Ancelotti was sacked and United won the title again.
Then along came City with their arab billionaire with pots of cash and they start challenging for the title. Then two years later, they win it. In my long winded way, what I am trying to say is whats to stop City from falling away eventually like Blackburn, Arsenal and Chelsea? Winning it the first time is hard, winning it a second time is very difficult but it won't be until they win it a third time in a row, that I will start to worry but not before then. United have had their blips over the years just like every team has a blip over the course of a season. I am confident this is no different.
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City will find their level, just like Chelsea have.
What level
From what I have seen of these guys they are far better owners than the Glazers. They are not in it for the money. I have read a lot of Man U supporters posting something like this but City are here to stay and I can see them competing if not dominating at the top table for the next ten years or so.