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Sep 18, 2012 10:40 AM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?

Today we learned that Mitt Romney said this about Obama supporters to fellow millionaires at a closed-door fundraiser:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the President no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax ...

"My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
The man who spoke these words -- who demonstrates such disgust and disdain for half of our fellow Americans -- is the GOP's choice for president of the United States. He wants to lead our country.

Are you in the 47%?
Well, let's see. You ARE if:

1, You earn so little money that you are below the minimum level to file a tax return.
2, You are a veteran who gets government assistance in the form or a VA loan or VA Mortgage.
3, You are so poor that you can't feed yourself or your children without Food Stamps.
4, You are on Medicaid because you can't afford health insurance.
5, You lost your job due to outsourcing to India and receive unemployment insurance.
6, You are a college student who received a PELL grant.
7, You're in the Clergy. The Mormon church pays no taxes for example.
8, You're a first time home buyer.
9, You receive assistance from Social Security (formally AFDC now TANF program for needy children who had been deprived of parental support or care because their father or mother was absent from the home, incapacitated, deceased, or unemployed.)for your children.
10, You got an FHA mortgage.

I'm sure there are 100's of other forms of government assistance ordinary people receive that could be added to the list.
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Sep 18, 2012 10:48 AM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
laugh laugh laugh

Ooby, I just KNEW you would be the first to start a threa on this!

Other than the grouping of the 47% that will vote for Obama with the 47% who don't pay income taxes, I really don't see the issue with what Romney is saying... everything is pretty much factually correct.

There is a huge portion of the country that he has no chance in hell of convincing to vote for him. Well... yeah.

There is a huge number of people on welfare that are, statistically, much more likely to vote for Obama. Indisputable.

47% of Americans don't pay income tax, and that group is poorer and therefore benefits hugely from welfare. They are more likely to vote for Obama, but there are also some demographics in this number that are conservative, so not a blanket. Factually, however, the statement is true... Romney is unlikely to get these votes.

So, Romney is saying that he has to target the independent voters and convince them that Obama hasn't done a good job. So... how is that any different from any Presidential election... ever? What is the issue here?

It seems to me anyone with a shred of political knowledge would look at what he's saying and say "Thanks, Captain Obvious".
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Sep 18, 2012 10:50 AM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
I have to sign off now, but I'll check back since I KNOW you will have a snarly retort.
wave wave laugh
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Sep 18, 2012 11:24 AM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
WhatUwish4: Ooby, I just KNEW you would be the first to start a threa on this!

Other than the grouping of the 47% that will vote for Obama with the 47% who don't pay income taxes, I really don't see the issue with what Romney is saying... everything is pretty much factually correct.

There is a huge portion of the country that he has no chance in hell of convincing to vote for him. Well... yeah.

There is a huge number of people on welfare that are, statistically, much more likely to vote for Obama. Indisputable.

47% of Americans don't pay income tax, and that group is poorer and therefore benefits hugely from welfare. They are more likely to vote for Obama, but there are also some demographics in this number that are conservative, so not a blanket. Factually, however, the statement is true... Romney is unlikely to get these votes.

So, Romney is saying that he has to target the independent voters and convince them that Obama hasn't done a good job. So... how is that any different from any Presidential election... ever? What is the issue here?

It seems to me anyone with a shred of political knowledge would look at what he's saying and say "Thanks, Captain Obvious".


Surely the issue is that a President should want to have support from the WHOLE of his country , not just those who can afford to be his friends, a genuine candidate would not just target a single easy picking area of the public, but, by showing he/she had compassion and workable ideas that would benefit everyone not just a select group. Romney has sent a very clear message to half of the American population, that he doesn't give a toss about them now and never will, why would anyone want to vote for someone so small minded as that???
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Sep 18, 2012 11:35 AM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
rizlared: Surely the issue is that a President should want to have support from the WHOLE of his country , not just those who can afford to be his friends, a genuine candidate would not just target a single easy picking area of the public, but, by showing he/she had compassion and workable ideas that would benefit everyone not just a select group. Romney has sent a very clear message to half of the American population, that he doesn't give a toss about them now and never will, why would anyone want to vote for someone so small minded as that???


That is your interpretation and one I simply do not agree with. Like many who support Obama, the media is sooo quick to skewer this comment even though he is only stating the obvious. Yet when Obama lies and tells America that other countries like us better now, even though the research says otherwise...they hardly even cover it and certainly do not challenge the validity of his false statement.

Mitt Romney is sticking by his comments and I'm glad he is. And for the record, it's been so well-received by many voters that there is a rumor he set the whole thing up intentionally to show he has a set of chops after all.

"It's a message which I am going to carry and continue to carry, which is that the president's approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. Therefore I'm not likely to draw them into my campaign as effectively as those in the middle."



Again, thank you, Captain Obvious.
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Sep 18, 2012 11:49 AM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
WhatUwish4: That is your interpretation and one I simply do not agree with. Like many who support Obama, the media is sooo quick to skewer this comment even though he is only stating the obvious. Yet when Obama lies and tells America that other countries like us better now, even though the research says otherwise...they hardly even cover it and certainly do not challenge the validity of his false statement.

Mitt Romney is sticking by his comments and I'm glad he is. And for the record, it's been so well-received by many voters that there is a rumor he set the whole thing up intentionally to show he has a set of chops after all.

"It's a message which I am going to carry and continue to carry, which is that the president's approach is attractive to people who are not paying taxes because frankly my discussion about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. Therefore I'm not likely to draw them into my campaign as effectively as those in the middle."
Again, thank you, Captain Obvious.


Or maybe the "Research" you quoted was not the research used by the white house, similar to how you are happy to quote research that shows Obama slipping in the polls, but neglected to say 9 other polls showed he was still ahead.

And that you can see nothing wrong with dismissing half of the voters in America amazes me, but I guess you are in the top 15% who can afford to vote for a conniving man who doesn't even pay his own taxes.grin



Just jesting, grin we all have our opinions and in fairness you live there and whoever wins will have a far greater effect on you than me.handshake
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Sep 18, 2012 11:55 AM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
rizlared: Or maybe the "Research" you quoted was not the research used by the white house, similar to how you are happy to quote research that shows Obama slipping in the polls, but neglected to say 9 other polls showed he was still ahead.

And that you can see nothing wrong with dismissing half of the voters in America amazes me, but I guess you are in the top 15% who can afford to vote for a conniving man who doesn't even pay his own taxes.
Just jesting, we all have our opinions and in fairness you live there and whoever wins will have a far greater effect on you than me.


OMG.... And woebama isn't conniving with the way he pushing socialiam and the U.S. Economy to the point of disaster! Oh, we'll, I guess people like you here prefer to be in the wagon, instead of those pulling it.

Just how is Mr. Romney a, "conniving man?"
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Sep 18, 2012 12:02 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
komeda
komedakomedapalerno, Sicilia Italy1 Posts
no, but the welfare state would be a social duty for every politician
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Sep 18, 2012 12:43 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
Well, let's see...I'm retired, and living on Social Security and a union pension, totally $800 a month ($9,600 a year.) If the poverty line is still $15,000 then I am way below the poverty line.
Since Social Security is non-taxible, I did not file this year because I figured I was below the threshold for paying taxes.

Because of my Social Security, my kid gets $389 a month of Social Security, and her mom gets Food Stamps of $97 a month and medicaid of somewhere around $689 a month because of permanent disabilities (she can't work because of her disabilities.)

And, by the way, I'm not voting for Mr. Woebama Nobamacare," in case anyone thinks I'm part of the 47%. Hey, I think I just coined a new phrase there! rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing So long, Woebama. See you never.
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Sep 18, 2012 1:51 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
ooby_dooby: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqHERTcytI
Today we learned that Mitt Romney said this about Obama supporters to fellow millionaires at a closed-door fundraiser:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the President no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what...These are people who pay no income tax ...

"My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
The man who spoke these words -- who demonstrates such disgust and disdain for half of our fellow Americans -- is the GOP's choice for president of the United States. He wants to lead our country.

Are you in the 47%?
Well, let's see. You ARE if:

1, You earn so little money that you are below the minimum level to file a tax return.
2, You are a veteran who gets government assistance in the form or a VA loan or VA Mortgage.
3, You are so poor that you can't feed yourself or your children without Food Stamps.
4, You are on Medicaid because you can't afford health insurance.
5, You lost your job due to outsourcing to India and receive unemployment insurance.
6, You are a college student who received a PELL grant.
7, You're in the Clergy. The Mormon church pays no taxes for example.
8, You're a first time home buyer.
9, You receive assistance from Social Security (formally AFDC now TANF program for needy children who had been deprived of parental support or care because their father or mother was absent from the home, incapacitated, deceased, or unemployed.)for your children.
10, You got an FHA mortgage.

I'm sure there are 100's of other forms of government assistance ordinary people receive that could be added to the list.
Hi Ooby--yeah, he seriously punched a big hole in his own boat. I'm probably in that 47%. However, I see it quite differently than old Mitt seems to. I"ll try to address it with your same numbers:

1. I no longer am required to file a tax return. (I do anyway).
2. I contrubuted to Veterans' Assistance. I was not a consumer.
3. Oh, I'm "poor" alright. But I get the minimum of Food Stamps because I get "too much pension".
4. During my waiting period, I could not get Medicaid because I still had some money, and get this, I HADN'T BEEN SICK LONG ENOUGH. (Because of my recent assets, though gone now, I was still considered Upper Middle Class).
5. Lost my job? I wish! I lost my entire CAREER, my HOME, my ASSETS, my CAR, my FURNITURE, my FRIENDSHIPS, and almost, but not quite, my mind.
6. I worked my way through college washing dishes, detailing cars, and charting for doctors. I received no free financial help at all.
7. I am not clergy.
8. Yes, I was a first time home buyer, and enough time has elapsed that I can now get a rural farm loan as a first time buyer again. I'm confused about this one--what's wrong with that?
9. I receive no "financial assistance" from Social Security. I receive a combination of a return on my money invested, and an insurance product which I paid for during a period of 36 years. They do, however, assist with part of an insurance premium, and were I so inclined, they would help tremendously with a house purchase. They have treated me decently, but it is not a "give-a-way".
10.I got a discounted mortgage based on an inflated down payment, which brought the interest rate (then) down 1.75 points. It was not FHA, it was actually a bit better.
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Sep 18, 2012 1:58 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
HuggerMan4U: Well, let's see...I'm retired, and living on Social Security and a union pension, totally $800 a month ($9,600 a year.) If the poverty line is still $15,000 then I am way below the poverty line.
Since Social Security is non-taxible, I did not file this year because I figured I was below the threshold for paying taxes.

Because of my Social Security, my kid gets $389 a month of Social Security, and her mom gets Food Stamps of $97 a month and medicaid of somewhere around $689 a month because of permanent disabilities (she can't work because of her disabilities.)

And, by the way, I'm not voting for Mr. Woebama Nobamacare," in case anyone thinks I'm part of the 47%. Hey, I think I just coined a new phrase there! So long, Woebama. See you never.
You are not seeing something very important here. Mitt is the new Marie Antoinette. He has no empathy for the working poor--he as much as said so. Right now, his collegues are scrambling to minimize the recent tactless and completely irresponsible things he has been saying. The dork makes Dan Quayle look like Eienstein, and that's saying a lot. A country cannot forge ahead successfully while trampling the poor.
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Sep 18, 2012 2:00 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Or maybe the "Research" you quoted was not the research used by the white house, similar to how you are happy to quote research that shows Obama slipping in the polls, but neglected to say 9 other polls showed he was still ahead.

And that you can see nothing wrong with dismissing half of the voters in America amazes me, but I guess you are in the top 15% who can afford to vote for a conniving man who doesn't even pay his own taxes.
Just jesting, we all have our opinions and in fairness you live there and whoever wins will have a far greater effect on you than me.[/quote

True. It is entirely possible, but doubtful, that Obama did not see the Pew research. As for his poll numbers, I've already explained that Rasmussen is daily whereas Gallop and others are weekly. It just so happens that Gallop's numbers came out today and Obama is up one over Romney. You may think that is bad for Romney, but the truth is Obama has lost seven points since last week - which is why I prefer to watch the daily polls, over weekly.

Still, I respect your opinion and do not try to change it just because I think the other candidate is better. I'm far more concerned with challenging comments that seem riddled in mythology (not yours specifically - just in general). I was only responding to your comments. My belief is that if nobody speaks up and does the research, the bad guy wins by default. wine
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Sep 18, 2012 2:03 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
Sorry. That was supposed to be a Riz quote and Wish response. Something strange going on my 'puter. mumbling
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Sep 18, 2012 2:30 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
ooby...wave It's me again!laugh

I am one who would qualify to be in the 47% in that I am WAY BELOW the poverty level.

I work, taking care of an elderly disabled person and I make $400 per month.

I do NOT apply for or receive any other monies or benefits from the Government as I do not believe in doing so. No Food Stamps, no SSI, no retirement pensions.

I am a Patriot who is aware of the financial condition of this country and I refuse to be a part of it's demise.

I am a Veteran and only in the case of an extreme emergency will I use the V.A. hospital and medical facilities as I do not believe in the treatments they use for most medical conditions. For broken bones or stitches I may consider emergency treatment but that's it. I will never take their Drugs etc.

I know and I believe and have faith in God. I am Blessed beyond measure. I have peace and Joy and all of my needs are met!

I can tell you now as I have told you before...
This person will NOT be voting for THAT Obummer person in November!

I have a liberal room mate who will be, ONLY because she receives every benefit the government has to offer her and she is AFRAID the Republicans will take them away from her. That's because she believes the B.S. MSNBC tells her, that Rachel Maddow entertainer!

So even though it is true that the Liberals with their blinders on who live off the government do not need the focus of Romney, there are those of us who still have a mind who are free thinkers who understand that the election draws nearer with every passing day and Romney needs to focus his energy where it will do him the most good.

Do I support Romney? NO!

I support Ron Paul and I can not compromise. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
I am still broken heart over the biased media not giving him a chance. My liberal roomie asked, "Who's Ron Paul? I have never heard of him". So many are still asleep!

It's a matter of Principle ooby, and integrity.

HLpeace
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Sep 18, 2012 2:32 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
HuggerMan4U: Well, let's see...I'm retired, and living on Social Security and a union pension, totally $800 a month ($9,600 a year.) If the poverty line is still $15,000 then I am way below the poverty line.
Since Social Security is non-taxible, I did not file this year because I figured I was below the threshold for paying taxes.

Because of my Social Security, my kid gets $389 a month of Social Security, and her mom gets Food Stamps of $97 a month and medicaid of somewhere around $689 a month because of permanent disabilities (she can't work because of her disabilities.)

And, by the way, I'm not voting for Mr. Woebama Nobamacare," in case anyone thinks I'm part of the 47%. Hey, I think I just coined a new phrase there! So long, Woebama. See you never.



Well you are not alone, Hugger. (this is from today's Gallop)

PRINCETON, NJ -- Although President Barack Obama has a substantial voting edge over Republican Mitt Romney among low-income Americans, Romney still gets about a third of the vote among those whose household incomes are less than $24,000 a year.


And conversely, "Although Romney does better on the other end of the income scale, Obama gets the support of more than four in 10 Americans who make $180,000 a year or more."
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Sep 18, 2012 2:34 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
HealthyLiving: ooby... It's me again!

I am one who would qualify to be in the 47% in that I am WAY BELOW the poverty level.

I work, taking care of an elderly disabled person and I make $400 per month.

I do NOT apply for or receive any other monies or benefits from the Government as I do not believe in doing so. No Food Stamps, no SSI, no retirement pensions.

I am a Patriot who is aware of the financial condition of this country and I refuse to be a part of it's demise.

I am a Veteran and only in the case of an extreme emergency will I use the V.A. hospital and medical facilities as I do not believe in the treatments they use for most medical conditions. For broken bones or stitches I may consider emergency treatment but that's it. I will never take their Drugs etc.

I know and I believe and have faith in God. I am Blessed beyond measure. I have peace and Joy and all of my needs are met!

I can tell you now as I have told you before...
This person will NOT be voting for THAT Obummer person in November!

I have a liberal room mate who will be, ONLY because she receives every benefit the government has to offer her and she is AFRAID the Republicans will take them away from her. That's because she believes the B.S. MSNBC tells her, that Rachel Maddow entertainer!

So even though it is true that the Liberals with their blinders on who live off the government do not need the focus of Romney, there are those of us who still have a mind who are free thinkers who understand that the election draws nearer with every passing day and Romney needs to focus his energy where it will do him the most good.

Do I support Romney? NO!

I support Ron Paul and I can not compromise. The lesser of two evils is still evil.
I am still over the biased media not giving him a chance. My liberal roomie asked, "Who's Ron Paul? I have never heard of him". So many are still asleep!

It's a matter of Principle ooby, and integrity.

HL


Sorry HL. I didn't mean to bump you. Was typing as you posted.
bouquet
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Sep 18, 2012 3:14 PM CST Are YOU one of the 47% Mitt Romney is talking about?
TTom50
TTom50TTom50Orlando, Florida USA21 Threads 10 Polls 1,301 Posts






The truth is always a defense in court, Ooby. But this is CS, so seldom it matters........

What Romney said is honest. It might not have come out well in the with several gaffs inserted. But his main point is accurate and honest.

You have 47% not paying any taxes becuase they unemployed, underemployed or on welfare of some kind.

You have 46m drawing foodstamps in world's richest country. That alone is 15% of the country. You have 25.3m drawing unemployment benefits. Another 8%. 18.6% are underemployed and draw some kind of benefits, that is 57.2m. 2.7m get mortgage assistance or about .09 of a percent.

Add the percentage up....you have 40% of the country drawing benefits in those four catagories alone. We have not even touched SSI or medicare.





Romney is standing by what he said.


Can the DEMs stand for placing 47% into a economic position were they cannot pay taxes? Were they relie on a government dole for basics and housing? They and you wish to call the last four years a success?
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