God undeniably exists! (46)
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Nothing cannot cause something.
Something eternally and necessarily exists.
I am not eternal and necessary.
Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something.
Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence.
Since I'm personal,moral,and intelligent(and you can't give what you haven't got to give).Then there must be a personal,moral,and intelligent God,who gave me this personal,moral,and intelligent being that I have.Therefore,such a God exists.
Nothing cannot cause something.
Something eternally and necessarily exists.
I am not eternal and necessary.
Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something.
Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence.
Since I'm personal,moral,and intelligent(and you can't give what you haven't got to give).Then there must be a personal,moral,and intelligent God,who gave me this personal,moral,and intelligent being that I have.Therefore,such a God exists.
"Nothing cannot cause something"
If that is true, then who or what caused God? and what caused the being that caused god? and what caused the being that caused the being that caused God?
"Something eternally and necessarily exists"
Nothing exists "necessarily and eternally". That is nonsense because eternity, like infinity, has no beginning and no end. Nobody can say that something has and always will exist and by necessity. What makes such an existence necessary?
Moreover, if nothing can cause something, then eternity and infinity are also caused by something. Maybe that something ceased to exist :-O
"I am not eternal and necessary" That is probably true if you mean your physical body.
"Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something."
Since nothing cannot produce God, for example, the stuff that is not eternal (presumably all of us) must be caused by something. .. okay, fair enough.
"Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence."
Wrong!
Therefore, you are caused by something and something produced God.
That is the only logical conclusion you can draw. Methinks it's your parents in your case
The rest is just nonsense from a logical perspective.
It would be much better if you simply said: I believe in God. Leave it at that because there is no logical proof for the existence of God. There have been plenty of philosophers who have tried and each argument that has ever been brought forth, failed at the proof.
God and religion are matters of faith, not logic or science. :-)
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serendipity615: Therefore,such a God exists.
Maybe according to a bunch of old men and a book that is written by man.
Far as I am concerned, religion is the worlds oldest scam. Way back when, if the church said jump, kings and queens didn't ask how high, they just did it.
Seeing is believing.
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do your morals need this reasoning to remain in your charachter?
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serendipity615: Something undeniably exixts.
Nothing cannot cause something.
Something eternally and necessarily exists.
I am not eternal and necessary.
Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something.
Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence.
Since I'm personal,moral,and intelligent(and you can't give what you haven't got to give).Then there must be a personal,moral,and intelligent God,who gave me this personal,moral,and intelligent being that I have.Therefore,such a God exists.
Nothing cannot cause something.
Something eternally and necessarily exists.
I am not eternal and necessary.
Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something.
Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence.
Since I'm personal,moral,and intelligent(and you can't give what you haven't got to give).Then there must be a personal,moral,and intelligent God,who gave me this personal,moral,and intelligent being that I have.Therefore,such a God exists.
Amendon't let the stupid naysayers take anything away from you, all we can do is pray that some day before it's too late for them that they may see the light.
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strict: do your morals need this reasoning to remain in your charachter?
Just because someone doesn't believe makes them a bad person. Being good or bad is dependent on how you are raised by your parents.
I can respect yours and anyone elses right to believe so long it isn't crammed down my throat. You believe what you will and I'll believe what I will.
Ask any of my friends or ex's, none of them can say I am a bad person.
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Man can never grasp eternity. We are taught in grade school that something must have a beginning and an end. We have to fit our world into explainable portions. There just has to be a reason for everything and we have words to make it so.
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Stringman, thank you for the awesome video!! I watched it all the way through and wrote down the points and verses, and I'm definitely going to write for the booklet. In fact, I'm going to inquire about quantity purchases of the booklet so I can share them in my church!
Seredipity, thank you for this thread!
Seredipity, thank you for this thread!
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serendipity615: Something undeniably exixts.
Nothing cannot cause something.
Something eternally and necessarily exists.
I am not eternal and necessary.
Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something.
Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence.
Since I'm personal,moral,and intelligent(and you can't give what you haven't got to give).Then there must be a personal,moral,and intelligent God,who gave me this personal,moral,and intelligent being that I have.Therefore,such a God exists.
Nothing cannot cause something.
Something eternally and necessarily exists.
I am not eternal and necessary.
Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something.
Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence.
Since I'm personal,moral,and intelligent(and you can't give what you haven't got to give).Then there must be a personal,moral,and intelligent God,who gave me this personal,moral,and intelligent being that I have.Therefore,such a God exists.
There certainly is a mystery, how can "something" exist in "nothing", the limited in the limitless,,,. How can that be? How could it not be? Call that God if you will,, I can go along with that.
But spare me the BS about virgin births, Son of God, resurrections, raising from the dead, heaven and hell after death, eternal damnation, Bibles, predestination, prophesy, turning water into wine, bread into flesh, walking on water, or in general,,,, RELIGION.
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Dadude62: There certainly is a mystery, how can "something" exist in "nothing", the limited in the limitless,,,. How can that be? How could it not be? Call that God if you will,, I can go along with that.
But spare me the BS about virgin births, Son of God, resurrections, raising from the dead, heaven and hell after death, eternal damnation, Bibles, predestination, prophesy, turning water into wine, bread into flesh, walking on water, or in general,,,, RELIGION.
But spare me the BS about virgin births, Son of God, resurrections, raising from the dead, heaven and hell after death, eternal damnation, Bibles, predestination, prophesy, turning water into wine, bread into flesh, walking on water, or in general,,,, RELIGION.
AMEN
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Scubadiva: "Nothing cannot cause something"
If that is true, then who or what caused God? and what caused the being that caused god? and what caused the being that caused the being that caused God?
"Something eternally and necessarily exists"
Nothing exists "necessarily and eternally". That is nonsense because eternity, like infinity, has no beginning and no end. Nobody can say that something has and always will exist and by necessity. What makes such an existence necessary?
Moreover, if nothing can cause something, then eternity and infinity are also caused by something. Maybe that something ceased to exist :-O
"I am not eternal and necessary" That is probably true if you mean your physical body.
"Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something."
Since nothing cannot produce God, for example, the stuff that is not eternal (presumably all of us) must be caused by something. .. okay, fair enough.
"Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence."
Wrong!
Therefore, you are caused by something and something produced God.
That is the only logical conclusion you can draw. Methinks it's your parents in your case
The rest is just nonsense from a logical perspective.
It would be much better if you simply said: I believe in God. Leave it at that because there is no logical proof for the existence of God. There have been plenty of philosophers who have tried and each argument that has ever been brought forth, failed at the proof.
God and religion are matters of faith, not logic or science. :-)
If that is true, then who or what caused God? and what caused the being that caused god? and what caused the being that caused the being that caused God?
"Something eternally and necessarily exists"
Nothing exists "necessarily and eternally". That is nonsense because eternity, like infinity, has no beginning and no end. Nobody can say that something has and always will exist and by necessity. What makes such an existence necessary?
Moreover, if nothing can cause something, then eternity and infinity are also caused by something. Maybe that something ceased to exist :-O
"I am not eternal and necessary" That is probably true if you mean your physical body.
"Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something."
Since nothing cannot produce God, for example, the stuff that is not eternal (presumably all of us) must be caused by something. .. okay, fair enough.
"Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence."
Wrong!
Therefore, you are caused by something and something produced God.
That is the only logical conclusion you can draw. Methinks it's your parents in your case
The rest is just nonsense from a logical perspective.
It would be much better if you simply said: I believe in God. Leave it at that because there is no logical proof for the existence of God. There have been plenty of philosophers who have tried and each argument that has ever been brought forth, failed at the proof.
God and religion are matters of faith, not logic or science. :-)
God both exists and does not exist, like eternity. That's the mystery of our existence and death (nonexistence) both before and after our existence. That mystery is the only God I know of.The God of religion is some terrible ogre invented by con men to con the masses.
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misterprefect: AMEN
Amen? I did not mean it to be a sermon,,
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Scuba, save your breath. You will never open a closed mind with logic. Truth can not overcome faith when the mind is filled with lies and trained to disregard any other point of view as being the work of some evil entity, and finally locked down. This training and indoctrination starts when a person is most vulnerable, as babies, by people they trust, Their parents and later authority figures like priests etc. They use every brain washing technique known to man. Punishment and reward, peer pressure, repetition ad infinitem, made up fairy tales like the story of Moses, David & goliath, Noah, and Jesus Christ. They are experts at this because they've had 1000's of years to perfect their art.
What I find facinating is that believers don't even know that they are trained and conditioned to disregard the proof when it's right in front of their eyes. These people were taught to believe, they were taught to not question anything, just accept what they were told from before they were even aware they were a living person.
Devoutly religious people are like Manchurian Candidates and there's billions of them.
Religion is used by certain people to scam other people to support them so they don't have to do the heavy, dirty work and they can live a priveleged lifestyle in a palace. Walk up to any priest and ask to see his hands. That will tell you how much work they do. You'll never see a priest pick up a shovel or lay a brick or change his oil.
Religion is an infectous desease, it's like a virus. It's like second hand smoke. If you're in a closed room full of pot smokers, you're gonna get stoned. If your parent has the desease, you will get infected. Only by getting out into the fresh air can you overcome this desease. Depending how deeply you were trained it could take years to purge your mind of all the dreck that was stuffed in there. If you live in a land where everybody has the desease, you will never be free.
What I find facinating is that believers don't even know that they are trained and conditioned to disregard the proof when it's right in front of their eyes. These people were taught to believe, they were taught to not question anything, just accept what they were told from before they were even aware they were a living person.
Devoutly religious people are like Manchurian Candidates and there's billions of them.
Religion is used by certain people to scam other people to support them so they don't have to do the heavy, dirty work and they can live a priveleged lifestyle in a palace. Walk up to any priest and ask to see his hands. That will tell you how much work they do. You'll never see a priest pick up a shovel or lay a brick or change his oil.
Religion is an infectous desease, it's like a virus. It's like second hand smoke. If you're in a closed room full of pot smokers, you're gonna get stoned. If your parent has the desease, you will get infected. Only by getting out into the fresh air can you overcome this desease. Depending how deeply you were trained it could take years to purge your mind of all the dreck that was stuffed in there. If you live in a land where everybody has the desease, you will never be free.
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ooby_dooby: Scuba, save your breath. You will never open a closed mind with logic. Truth can not overcome faith when the mind is filled with lies and trained to disregard any other point of view as being the work of some evil entity, and finally locked down. This training and indoctrination starts when a person is most vulnerable, as babies, by people they trust, Their parents and later authority figures like priests etc. They use every brain washing technique known to man. Punishment and reward, peer pressure, repetition ad infinitem, made up fairy tales like the story of Moses, David & goliath, Noah, and Jesus Christ. They are experts at this because they've had 1000's of years to perfect their art.
What I find facinating is that believers don't even know that they are trained and conditioned to disregard the proof when it's right in front of their eyes. These people were taught to believe, they were taught to not question anything, just accept what they were told from before they were even aware they were a living person.
Devoutly religious people are like Manchurian Candidates and there's billions of them.
Religion is used by certain people to scam other people to support them so they don't have to do the heavy, dirty work and they can live a priveleged lifestyle in a palace. Walk up to any priest and ask to see his hands. That will tell you how much work they do. You'll never see a priest pick up a shovel or lay a brick or change his oil.
Religion is an infectous desease, it's like a virus. It's like second hand smoke. If you're in a closed room full of pot smokers, you're gonna get stoned. If your parent has the desease, you will get infected. Only by getting out into the fresh air can you overcome this desease. Depending how deeply you were trained it could take years to purge your mind of all the dreck that was stuffed in there. If you live in a land where everybody has the desease, you will never be free.
What I find facinating is that believers don't even know that they are trained and conditioned to disregard the proof when it's right in front of their eyes. These people were taught to believe, they were taught to not question anything, just accept what they were told from before they were even aware they were a living person.
Devoutly religious people are like Manchurian Candidates and there's billions of them.
Religion is used by certain people to scam other people to support them so they don't have to do the heavy, dirty work and they can live a priveleged lifestyle in a palace. Walk up to any priest and ask to see his hands. That will tell you how much work they do. You'll never see a priest pick up a shovel or lay a brick or change his oil.
Religion is an infectous desease, it's like a virus. It's like second hand smoke. If you're in a closed room full of pot smokers, you're gonna get stoned. If your parent has the desease, you will get infected. Only by getting out into the fresh air can you overcome this desease. Depending how deeply you were trained it could take years to purge your mind of all the dreck that was stuffed in there. If you live in a land where everybody has the desease, you will never be free.
At one time (dark ages) we were all under the influence of that terror of religion. It has been a long struggle to free ourselves from that. Many don't have the courage to face their inner fears instilled by religion. Eventually mankind will free itself completely. The signs are there. One of our political parties here in the US is dominated by the demon of religion. There is a real struggle going on,,,,
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Raynew1959: Maybe according to a bunch of old men and a book that is written by man.
Far as I am concerned, religion is the worlds oldest scam. Way back when, if the church said jump, kings and queens didn't ask how high, they just did it.
Seeing is believing.
Far as I am concerned, religion is the worlds oldest scam. Way back when, if the church said jump, kings and queens didn't ask how high, they just did it.
Seeing is believing.
Since we can not see your brain, we must therefore believe you are stupid.
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
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“When I look at my son – nearly two – I find it impossible to believe that life is governed by chance and that there is no higher purpose. And if we are simply a bundle of competing, selfish genes, then wherein lies morality? It is moral consciousness that is at the heart of what religion and God mean to me. The militant atheists – who seem more obsessed with God than any religious fundamentalist – don’t get that. The atheist buses touring London are quite revealing. “There’s probably no God,” reads the hoarding. “Now stop worrying and enjoy your life.” There you have it: what is stopping people enjoying life is apparently not war, famine, unemployment, murderous social inequality, or the insecurity and unfairness that arise from a system of global exploitation, but a misplaced belief in God. Some materialism, that!
~George Galloway~
~George Galloway~
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Dadude62: At one time (dark ages) we were all under the influence of that terror of religion. It has been a long struggle to free ourselves from that. Many don't have the courage to face their inner fears instilled by religion. Eventually mankind will free itself completely. The signs are there.
One of our political parties here in the US is dominated by the demon of religion. There is a real struggle going on,,,,
One of our political parties here in the US is dominated by the demon of religion. There is a real struggle going on,,,,
"I cannot conceive of a personal God who would directly influence the actions of individuals, or would directly sit in judgment on creatures of his own creation. I cannot do this in spite of the fact that mechanistic causality has, to a certain extent, been placed in doubt by modern science. [He was speaking of Quantum Mechanics and the breaking down of determinism.] My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality. Morality is of the highest importance -- but for us, not for God." - Albert Einstein 'The Human Side', 1954
Amazing how a scientific genius recognises and acknowledges the existence of God.
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HuggerMan4U: Stringman, thank you for the awesome video!! I watched it all the way through and wrote down the points and verses, and I'm definitely going to write for the booklet. In fact, I'm going to inquire about quantity purchases of the booklet so I can share them in my church!
Seredipity, thank you for this thread!
Seredipity, thank you for this thread!
your welcome huggerman, hope your church will enjoy them.
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ooby_dooby: Scuba, save your breath. You will never open a closed mind with logic. Truth can not overcome faith when the mind is filled with lies and trained to disregard any other point of view as being the work of some evil entity, and finally locked down. This training and indoctrination starts when a person is most vulnerable, as babies, by people they trust, Their parents and later authority figures like priests etc. They use every brain washing technique known to man. Punishment and reward, peer pressure, repetition ad infinitem, made up fairy tales like the story of Moses, David & goliath, Noah, and Jesus Christ. They are experts at this because they've had 1000's of years to perfect their art.
What I find facinating is that believers don't even know that they are trained and conditioned to disregard the proof when it's right in front of their eyes. These people were taught to believe, they were taught to not question anything, just accept what they were told from before they were even aware they were a living person.
Devoutly religious people are like Manchurian Candidates and there's billions of them.
Religion is used by certain people to scam other people to support them so they don't have to do the heavy, dirty work and they can live a priveleged lifestyle in a palace. Walk up to any priest and ask to see his hands. That will tell you how much work they do. You'll never see a priest pick up a shovel or lay a brick or change his oil.
Religion is an infectous desease, it's like a virus. It's like second hand smoke. If you're in a closed room full of pot smokers, you're gonna get stoned. If your parent has the desease, you will get infected. Only by getting out into the fresh air can you overcome this desease. Depending how deeply you were trained it could take years to purge your mind of all the dreck that was stuffed in there. If you live in a land where everybody has the desease, you will never be free.
What I find facinating is that believers don't even know that they are trained and conditioned to disregard the proof when it's right in front of their eyes. These people were taught to believe, they were taught to not question anything, just accept what they were told from before they were even aware they were a living person.
Devoutly religious people are like Manchurian Candidates and there's billions of them.
Religion is used by certain people to scam other people to support them so they don't have to do the heavy, dirty work and they can live a priveleged lifestyle in a palace. Walk up to any priest and ask to see his hands. That will tell you how much work they do. You'll never see a priest pick up a shovel or lay a brick or change his oil.
Religion is an infectous desease, it's like a virus. It's like second hand smoke. If you're in a closed room full of pot smokers, you're gonna get stoned. If your parent has the desease, you will get infected. Only by getting out into the fresh air can you overcome this desease. Depending how deeply you were trained it could take years to purge your mind of all the dreck that was stuffed in there. If you live in a land where everybody has the desease, you will never be free.
Devoutly religious people are like Manchurian Candidates and there's billions of them.
billions can't be wrong can they?
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Nothing cannot cause something.
Something eternally and necessarily exists.
I am not eternal and necessary.
Whatever is not eternal or necessary needs a cause,because nothing can't produce something.
Therefore,there is an eternal and necessary cause of my existence.
Since I'm personal,moral,and intelligent(and you can't give what you haven't got to give).
Then there must be a personal,moral,and intelligent God,who gave me this personal,moral,and intelligent being that I have.
Therefore,such a God exists.