Forgiveness ( Archived) (70)

Sep 25, 2013 6:22 PM CST Forgiveness
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
I have my view on forgiveness. In my own life, I don't believe in it. The way I see it, forgiveness give the person a free pass to offend again because there wasn't any consequences for their actions. I've always been this way. I've been talked into trying to forgive a particular person close to a couple of my friends, and I did my best to honor the request. Sure as heck they wronged me again. How do you all manage to forgive? Don't you think people should be held accountable for their actions? No disrespect, but I can't stay on here much so if I don't write immediately please be patient. Thanks in advance!
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Sep 25, 2013 6:28 PM CST Forgiveness
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
CapNemo: I have my view on forgiveness. In my own life, I don't believe in it. The way I see it, forgiveness give the person a free pass to offend again because there wasn't any consequences for their actions. I've always been this way. I've been talked into trying to forgive a particular person close to a couple of my friends, and I did my best to honor the request. Sure as heck they wronged me again. How do you all manage to forgive? Don't you think people should be held accountable for their actions? No disrespect, but I can't stay on here much so if I don't write immediately please be patient. Thanks in advance!


professor To err is human, therefore forgiveness is humane.
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Sep 25, 2013 6:43 PM CST Forgiveness
CapNemo: I have my view on forgiveness. In my own life, I don't believe in it. The way I see it, forgiveness give the person a free pass to offend again because there wasn't any consequences for their actions. I've always been this way. I've been talked into trying to forgive a particular person close to a couple of my friends, and I did my best to honor the request. Sure as heck they wronged me again. How do you all manage to forgive? Don't you think people should be held accountable for their actions? No disrespect, but I can't stay on here much so if I don't write immediately please be patient. Thanks in advance!
Not being able to forgive is one of the leading reasons why there's so many divorces, wars and arguments.

But on the other hand, there are those who'll take advantage of forgiveness and continue their wrong doings.

Let common sense, being wise as well as being considerate help sort it all out.
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Sep 25, 2013 7:16 PM CST Forgiveness
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
I used to hear all the time about turning the other cheek and forgiving those who've done me wrong.Well I suppose I just became a little burnt out through the years of being treated like crap and I guess I'm not all that forgiving anymore as I used to be.


Crap on me once shame on me.Crap on me twice shame on you.
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Sep 25, 2013 7:34 PM CST Forgiveness
montemonte
montemontemontemonteunknown, New Jersey USA114 Threads 4 Polls 5,631 Posts
It depends on what the person did.


If they wrecked my car, I'd be upset but I could forgive them.


If they lied, that's a thin line when to forgive.


If they stole from me, no forgiveness unless they were feeding a homeless person or their kids


If he cheated on me, there's no way I could forgive him. Never !!!!
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Sep 25, 2013 7:44 PM CST Forgiveness
michael63ca
michael63camichael63caVancouver, Alberta Canada50 Threads 2 Polls 784 Posts
montemonte: It depends on what the person did.If they wrecked my car, I'd be upset but I could forgive them.If they lied, that's a thin line when to forgive.If they stole from me, no forgiveness unless they were feeding a homeless person or their kids If he cheated on me, there's no way I could forgive him. Never !!!!


There are certain people and certain things that cannot and should not be forgiven, for sure. Some people are built in such a way that if they are forgiven, will absolutely do it again, because they know they can always be forgiven again. They have no soul! Keep that kind of people out of your life!
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Sep 25, 2013 8:16 PM CST Forgiveness
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
I appreciate the responses! I should have mentioned that it was intentional wrong doings, not accidents that I had the problem with. I can forgive the accidental, unintentional stuff. Just trying to learn because I gave up the outlaw lifestyle and am trying to become a better man.
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Sep 25, 2013 9:15 PM CST Forgiveness
CapNemo: I have my view on forgiveness. In my own life, I don't believe in it. The way I see it, forgiveness give the person a free pass to offend again because there wasn't any consequences for their actions. I've always been this way. I've been talked into trying to forgive a particular person close to a couple of my friends, and I did my best to honor the request. Sure as heck they wronged me again. How do you all manage to forgive? Don't you think people should be held accountable for their actions? No disrespect, but I can't stay on here much so if I don't write immediately please be patient. Thanks in advance!

Forgiveness is easy because I don't want their trash.
Karma is what forgiveness is all about.
Forgive yourself the hurt and anger and karma will serve others well!wink

yes karma is my friend and I get as I give!
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Sep 25, 2013 9:16 PM CST Forgiveness
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: Forgiveness is easy because I don't want their trash.
Karma is what forgiveness is all about.
Forgive yourself the hurt and anger and karma will serve others well!

yes karma is my friend and I get as I give!


wave You deserve good Karma.
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Sep 25, 2013 9:41 PM CST Forgiveness
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
For me, forgiveness isn't something you bestow upon someone else and is seperate from trust.

For me, forgiveness is to do with understanding where someone's actions might originate and where my own might also, within the interaction.

Its about letting go of some stuff and moving forward. That move forward may, or may not include trusting someone again.
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Sep 25, 2013 9:43 PM CST Forgiveness
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
jac379: For me, forgiveness isn't something you bestow upon someone else and is seperate from trust.

For me, forgiveness is to do with understanding where someone's actions might originate and where my own might also, within the interaction.

Its about letting go of some stuff and moving forward. That move forward may, or may not include trusting someone again.


wave So true.
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Sep 25, 2013 9:44 PM CST Forgiveness
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
pedalguy59: So true.

tip hat
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Sep 25, 2013 9:46 PM CST Forgiveness
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
jac379: For me, forgiveness isn't something you bestow upon someone else and is seperate from trust.

For me, forgiveness is to do with understanding where someone's actions might originate and where my own might also, within the interaction.

Its about letting go of some stuff and moving forward. That move forward may, or may not include trusting someone again.


Brilliant reply Jac. thumbs up hug
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Sep 25, 2013 11:11 PM CST Forgiveness
CapNemo: I have my view on forgiveness. In my own life, I don't believe in it. The way I see it, forgiveness give the person a free pass to offend again because there wasn't any consequences for their actions. I've always been this way. I've been talked into trying to forgive a particular person close to a couple of my friends, and I did my best to honor the request. Sure as heck they wronged me again. How do you all manage to forgive? Don't you think people should be held accountable for their actions? No disrespect, but I can't stay on here much so if I don't write immediately please be patient. Thanks in advance!


I totally agree with accountability and the need for it to build a close and trusting relationship. But I think it is possible to forgive and still require accountability. Forgiveness does not mean, necessarily, that your relationship with that person will resume and be as it once was. You can forgive someone but still hold them at arm's length and not allow them to harm you again. Once trust is damaged it takes much effort to earn it back.

I say forgive and let go of anger as that will benefit you and it will come back to you. we all need forgiveness at times. and if you are lucky enough in your life time to find even one person who makes a genuine effort to earn back your trust. Well, that is something to take note of then.
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Sep 26, 2013 12:11 AM CST Forgiveness
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
jac379: For me, forgiveness isn't something you bestow upon someone else and is seperate from trust.

For me, forgiveness is to do with understanding where someone's actions might originate and where my own might also, within the interaction.

Its about letting go of some stuff and moving forward. That move forward may, or may not include trusting someone again.
Understood!
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Sep 26, 2013 6:21 AM CST Forgiveness
Count_Me_In
Count_Me_InCount_Me_InMackay, Queensland Australia1 Threads 570 Posts
Forgiveness.......I forgive but I never forget as I learn from how others treat me and how they feel I have treated them in the process

sometimes forgiveness can be easy and other times so hard

it all depends on the circumstances involved and how it is handled between the people concerned

some instances it can become a win/win or a walk away situation
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Sep 26, 2013 6:40 AM CST Forgiveness
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: Forgiveness is easy because I don't want their trash.
Karma is what forgiveness is all about.
Forgive yourself the hurt and anger and karma will serve others well!

yes karma is my friend and I get as I give!


I once knew a Buddhist girl who was struggling with her exams, do you know what her Buddhist teachers said to her? They said that the reason that she was struggling is because she was evil in her past life.

There's a very dark and nasty side to karma in addition to the cherrypicked goody goody side that's become fashionable in the West. The implications of karma should bother anybody who is truly spiritual.
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Sep 26, 2013 6:52 AM CST Forgiveness
Glitch101
Glitch101Glitch101London, Greater London, England UK21 Threads 1,079 Posts
Personally I feel that forgiveness is not forgetting or pretending that the hurt didn’t happen. It did happen.

What I need to do is not seek revenge ,but remember the lesson learned without holding on to the pain caused.

To be able to move on in life ,we have to be able to let go of the past.
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Sep 26, 2013 7:16 AM CST Forgiveness
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Forgiveness should be a consistent principle and not an emotional fancy. Forgiveness should reflect justice and fear. Fear is a good thing. What is and isn't acceptable does not change from day to day because of your emotions, and if consequences shift from day to day then you're subjecting the person suffering said consequence to terror.

Terror is the state where there are no boundaries and a person may or may not be punished(or forgiven)regardless of what that person actually does.

Fear is the state of having fixed consequences to your actions - you don't jump off a building for the fear of breaking your legs - where if you do the wrong thing you will be punished and if you do the right thing then you won't.
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Sep 26, 2013 7:22 AM CST Forgiveness
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
"""" To commit the same sin""" or in your case mistake,"twice,is not a sign of a wise man""". Epictetus.- Greek stoic philosopher.
CapNemo: I have my view on forgiveness. In my own life, I don't believe in it. The way I see it, forgiveness give the person a free pass to offend again because there wasn't any consequences for their actions. I've always been this way. I've been talked into trying to forgive a particular person close to a couple of my friends, and I did my best to honor the request. Sure as heck they wronged me again. How do you all manage to forgive? Don't you think people should be held accountable for their actions? No disrespect, but I can't stay on here much so if I don't write immediately please be patient. Thanks in advance!
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