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pedro27: they are God's creatures and should be valued as that, they have a cycle of life too and important, even if we don't think
What role did god give the animals on this earth??
Glatlol: Didnt realise you were a vegetarian P.
He is when he is off the beer.....and he normally gives up the booze at least once a week.
sofarsogood74: No it wouldn't as we are the same species so you could easily empathise with me. As our brains work the same way and we both experience the same emotions....But you cant know that about rodents as you don't know how they feel....and you can't claim to know. You are sticking human emotions in a rodent which is ridiculous.
So if I stick a knife to a mouse's belly, then begin to slowly cut it open, and I hear its screams, it is not pain as you would feel pain when someone sticks a knife into your belly?
That's Descartes arguing, but like I said, suit yourself.
tinyfangs: So if I stick a knife to a mouse's belly, then begin to slowly cut it open, and I hear its screams, it is not pain as you would feel pain when someone sticks a knife into your belly?
That's Descartes arguing, but like I said, suit yourself.
That's Descartes arguing, but like I said, suit yourself.
Never said they dont feel physical pain did I? Can you point that out to me? I said they dont have our emotions! But you are talking about them like they think like us!
Do they cut open rodents bellies when they are alive in animal testing?
sofarsogood74: He is when he is off the beer.....and he normally gives up the booze at least once a week.
sofarsogood74: Never said they dont feel physical pain did I? Can you point that out to me? I said they dont have our emotions! But you are talking about them like they think like us!
Do they cut open rodents bellies when they are alive in animal testing?
Do they cut open rodents bellies when they are alive in animal testing?
Yes they do and worse...
tinyfangs: I like that Pedro, thank you, even though I am not religious following a book
We have to live, we have to act to live, but as the dominant species, claiming intelligence and empathy, these acts should always be showing responsibility and honesty.
We have to live, we have to act to live, but as the dominant species, claiming intelligence and empathy, these acts should always be showing responsibility and honesty.
i don't follow the book so?
i follow my teachings of what ive learnt as in a moral and understanding bloke
, yes we were giving the power over any other living thing, and it's beautiful to know and to have that order in regards to any living creature big or small.
I used to scald rats out my back garden with saucepans of boiling water
pedro27: i don't follow the book so?
i follow my teachings of what ive learnt as in a moral and understanding bloke
, yes we were giving the power over any other living thing, and it's beautiful to know and to have that order in regards to any living creature big or small.
i follow my teachings of what ive learnt as in a moral and understanding bloke
, yes we were giving the power over any other living thing, and it's beautiful to know and to have that order in regards to any living creature big or small.
Pardon?
pedro27: i don't follow the book so?
i follow my teachings of what ive learnt as in a moral and understanding bloke
, yes we were giving the power over any other living thing, and it's beautiful to know and to have that order in regards to any living creature big or small.
i follow my teachings of what ive learnt as in a moral and understanding bloke
, yes we were giving the power over any other living thing, and it's beautiful to know and to have that order in regards to any living creature big or small.
Yes power can be a wonderful thing, if it is used in a caring and responsible manner. The difference between the abuser or the guardian
tinyfangs: Yes they do and worse...
You dont know that! Nobody knows what emotions animals have or don't have.
You're just throwing your opinion around as fact like a lot of the animal rights activists when they raid a medical lab somewhere!
sofarsogood74: You dont know that! Nobody knows what emotions animals have or don't have.
You're just throwing your opinion around as fact like a lot of the animal rights activists when they raid a medical lab somewhere!
You're just throwing your opinion around as fact like a lot of the animal rights activists when they raid a medical lab somewhere!
omg.. sorry, but it is really useless to discuss. I shall claim you and I are of a different species too, so feel free to torture me some point, I am giving you the all clear
Honestly, let it rest, we do NOT understand each other, and we won't
tinyfangs: Yes power can be a wonderful thing, if it is used in a caring and responsible manner. The difference between the abuser or the guardian
every living thing that ever excisted is related in some way., its a cycle
tinyfangs: omg.. sorry, but it is really useless to discuss. I shall claim you and I are of a different species too, so feel free to torture me some point, I am giving you the all clear
Honestly, let it rest, we do NOT understand each other, and we won't
Honestly, let it rest, we do NOT understand each other, and we won't
Oh I understand you and others like you. You make claims about animals like they have emotions on a human level which of course you can't know.
You make claims of acts such a dissection of live animals without any proof. You value the life of rodents as much as a human life and would gladly give up all the medical break throughs that have made many peoples lives longer and easier to save to rodents that would not have existed if they were not bred for a purpose.
pedro27: every living thing that ever excisted is related in some way., its a cycle
What relation did you eat for Sunday dinner?
sofarsogood74: Oh I understand you and others like you. You make claims about animals like they have emotions on a human level which of course you can't know.
You make claims of acts such a dissection of live animals without any proof. You value the life of rodents as much as a human life and would gladly give up all the medical break throughs that have made many peoples lives longer and easier to save to rodents that would not have existed if they were not bred for a purpose.
You make claims of acts such a dissection of live animals without any proof. You value the life of rodents as much as a human life and would gladly give up all the medical break throughs that have made many peoples lives longer and easier to save to rodents that would not have existed if they were not bred for a purpose.
Where did I make the claim they have the same 'emotions'?
You know.. you are all over the place with your arguments. One moment you say you do not support suffering, then you say you don't mind it for rodents because they are not the same species (unless I misunderstood you, very possible as we also do not seem to be of the same species), but cows are not the same species either, but they deserve to not be subjected to suffering as you say (rightly in my view).
Is it size or colour that makes a creature worthy of your judgement who should and shouldn't be subjected to suffering?
Sorry, just asking
My stand is that other creatures are capable of feeling pain and fear, regardless of their size or colour, and because I believe they can feel such, I feel deeply for them when they do suffer
You were able to follow me this far? *hopes!*
Humans need to live too and wish to survive as best as they can, which means they are ultimately not able to avoid bringing death to other creatures, but due to humans claiming intelligence and empathy, I believe humans should try everything they can to keep any suffering to an absolute minimum. To call other creatures 'vermin' or the like is in my view counter productive, as humans -again in my view- should openly address their own impact on other beings, and not look away, not find excuses, but look at it clearly, so that better ways can be found, which hopefully will lead to less suffering of those other species.
I am getting high from paint fumes... Not sure whether to laugh or cry about having to write this down.
sofarsogood74: What relation did you eat for Sunday dinner?
the human is the supreme being and onwer i had pork what did u have?
pedro27: the human is the supreme being and onwer i had pork what did u have?
So you ate your pig cousin.
Does being ruler of something allow you to eat it? Better not tell Enda that. I haven't had my dinner yet but I had chicken noodle soup for lunch. But I don't think I'm related to the chicken.
sofarsogood74: So you ate your pig cousin. Does being ruler of something allow you to eat it? Better not tell Enda that. I haven't had my dinner yet but I had chicken noodle soup for lunch. But I don't think I'm related to the chicken.
why do always get the 'WRONG' meaning from peoples posts, and you always twist it up to suit your opinion, >>>?
i said every living thing that EVER excisted is related in WAYS...
and you the twister made your own from it, cos arguing is your forte
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I like that Pedro, thank you, even though I am not religious following a book
We have to live, we have to act to live, but as the dominant species, claiming intelligence and empathy, these acts should always be showing responsibility and honesty.