Hunting (199)

tinyfangs: Where did I make the claim they have the same 'emotions'?
You know.. you are all over the place with your arguments. One moment you say you do not support suffering, then you say you don't mind it for rodents because they are not the same species (unless I misunderstood you, very possible as we also do not seem to be of the same species), but cows are not the same species either, but they deserve to not be subjected to suffering as you say (rightly in my view).

Is it size or colour that makes a creature worthy of your judgement who should and shouldn't be subjected to suffering?
Sorry, just asking

My stand is that other creatures are capable of feeling pain and fear, regardless of their size or colour, and because I believe they can feel such, I feel deeply for them when they do suffer
You were able to follow me this far? *hopes!*
Humans need to live too and wish to survive as best as they can, which means they are ultimately not able to avoid bringing death to other creatures, but due to humans claiming intelligence and empathy, I believe humans should try everything they can to keep any suffering to an absolute minimum. To call other creatures 'vermin' or the like is in my view counter productive, as humans -again in my view- should openly address their own impact on other beings, and not look away, not find excuses, but look at it clearly, so that better ways can be found, which hopefully will lead to less suffering of those other species.

I am getting high from paint fumes... Not sure whether to laugh or cry about having to write this down.

pedro27: why do always get the 'WRONG' meaning from peoples posts, and you always twist it up to suit your opinion, >>>?i said every living thing that EVER excisted is related in WAYS...

and you the twister made your own from it, cos arguing is your forte

sofarsogood74: No it is YOU who is all over the place with your arguments. You brought up physical pain when I never said animals dont feel physical pain. I also never said they dont get scared.....of course to avoid predators they would need to feel fear.

My argument is simple......An animals fear is not like a humans....ours is based on thoughts and what we know...theirs is based on instinct. When they live their life in a cage they dont fear that because it is all they know.They don't know they are there for medical testing. Again you are talking about them like they have the ability to think and comprehend. Which is ridiculous.

You claim to know how animals feel but you can't.That is impossible as you can't relate to their "thinking|"(instinctual reactions).

And I also claim that it is OK to test drugs on animals as this testing has saved millions of human lives and made a better life for millions more. I would not sacrifice possible break throughs in medical science to save some rodents!

tinyfangs: I can't even claim you are truly real, you are aware of that, right? You could just be a figure of my imagination, but heavens would I have to check my programming...

It takes a bit for me to turn around to someone and tell them 'you are seriously grinding on me', but you have actually managed to reach that level. We are NOT understanding each other, and a million years of talking or typing will not change that. You accuse me of making claims then put 'an animals fear is not like a humans'. You must be a believer in Adam and Eve, reject evolution, as obviously humans have delevoped independantly, so there is nothing humans share with any other creature, not even mammals.

You know what, I shall repeat it again - suit yourself.

I am not interested in wasting my time further on you on this subject, as you will just keep going and going, unable to grasp where I am coming from.

Take care and enjoy your speciest life

sofarsogood74: There you go again. Making claims about stuff I never said. I did say an animals fear can't be like a humans alright but that is based on the facts that we have different brains that work in different ways....and the fact they are not as intelligent as us....so
of course their fear is different to ours!

I believe in evolution...we would not have evolved the large brains we have if we did not eat meat...That's a fact all you vegetarians like to ignore. And we have K9 teeth which is an evolutions way of telling us we are meat eaters.....But you probably pick and choose what parts of evolution suit you.

We dont share emotions with other animals as emotions come from our level of consciousness. We dont know despite your claims what consciousness animals have. Is that so hard for you to comprehend?

sofarsogood74: And I said to HC using words like "most", "usually" and words of that ilk confirm that there are calves born in fields every year. And these calves are vulnerable to foxes as well as certain other vermin like magpies. The magpies take their eyes and the foxes kill and eat what they can.