Hunting (199)
snowlynx: Yes they would. When I lived in the forest I woke up one morning with foxes nibbling my toes.......if I hadn't woken up in time god knows what would have happened!
I was never actually going to let them eat your whole foot
Well back in Velsix's day, the Foxes were a different kettle of fish altogether.
your little family pet rover can do as much damage as any fox if let out at night time, dogs have been known to chase and kill loads of sheep and lambs in marauding packs ,think this is down to irresponsible owners sure half of them dont know where their kids are at night all dressed up in their hoodies never mind rover the family pet ,never heard of a calf being attacked yet here in this country have heard of wolves attacking calves alright but abroad :
From the Internet about Fox Problems in Australia.
Serious economic damage results from fox predation on farm livestock , including lambs, calves, poultry, water fowl and goats. With a typical fox density about 4 foxes per 400 hectare (1000 acres), each fox will eat about 400 grams a night, or a little over a tenth of a tonne of food in a year. Overall, about a third of this diet is from farm livestock, a third from pest vertebrates like rabbits and mice, and a third from wildlife. However, foxes are opportunistic and if lambs are available they will make up 100% of the diet. Predation on other pest vertebrates does not provide effective control for these pests, because, unlike native animals, rabbits and mice can breed faster than the foxes can eat them.
Serious economic damage results from fox predation on farm livestock , including lambs, calves, poultry, water fowl and goats. With a typical fox density about 4 foxes per 400 hectare (1000 acres), each fox will eat about 400 grams a night, or a little over a tenth of a tonne of food in a year. Overall, about a third of this diet is from farm livestock, a third from pest vertebrates like rabbits and mice, and a third from wildlife. However, foxes are opportunistic and if lambs are available they will make up 100% of the diet. Predation on other pest vertebrates does not provide effective control for these pests, because, unlike native animals, rabbits and mice can breed faster than the foxes can eat them.
sofarsogood74: From the Internet about Fox Problems in Australia.
Serious economic damage results from fox predation on farm livestock , including lambs, calves, poultry, water fowl and goats. With a typical fox density about 4 foxes per 400 hectare (1000 acres), each fox will eat about 400 grams a night, or a little over a tenth of a tonne of food in a year. Overall, about a third of this diet is from farm livestock, a third from pest vertebrates like rabbits and mice, and a third from wildlife. However, foxes are opportunistic and if lambs are available they will make up 100% of the diet. Predation on other pest vertebrates does not provide effective control for these pests, because, unlike native animals, rabbits and mice can breed faster than the foxes can eat them.
australia Serious economic damage results from fox predation on farm livestock , including lambs, calves, poultry, water fowl and goats. With a typical fox density about 4 foxes per 400 hectare (1000 acres), each fox will eat about 400 grams a night, or a little over a tenth of a tonne of food in a year. Overall, about a third of this diet is from farm livestock, a third from pest vertebrates like rabbits and mice, and a third from wildlife. However, foxes are opportunistic and if lambs are available they will make up 100% of the diet. Predation on other pest vertebrates does not provide effective control for these pests, because, unlike native animals, rabbits and mice can breed faster than the foxes can eat them.
mjpd67: australia
They are the same foxes.
Foxes are not native to Oz....They were introduced by Europeans....so if they can do it there they can do it here.....They are not Super Foxes over there.There is no beast more viscous on this planet than the human one.
Some animals will kill for fun too, but they do not claim the ability for empathy. Humans do, but they will apply it mainly according to benefit. If it makes them feel good to feel with another, they will do so, but when it means to sacrifice another interest in the name of empathy, empathy is forgotten very fast.
There are plenty of calves out there who are taken from their mothers, many chickens never see theirs either. They might not die a few minutes after birth, but I think many of them if they could choose, would rather have the fox kill them before ending in the grinds of mass production. And I am part of it all too! I might be vegetarian but I do drink milk. Difference though is that I don't feel the fox or any other predator out there is doing something that makes them a 'plague' or 'vermin'. WE however support cruelty whenever it suits us. WE are abusers and destroyers. All those other creatures just try to survive in the world we have created...
Some animals will kill for fun too, but they do not claim the ability for empathy. Humans do, but they will apply it mainly according to benefit. If it makes them feel good to feel with another, they will do so, but when it means to sacrifice another interest in the name of empathy, empathy is forgotten very fast.
There are plenty of calves out there who are taken from their mothers, many chickens never see theirs either. They might not die a few minutes after birth, but I think many of them if they could choose, would rather have the fox kill them before ending in the grinds of mass production. And I am part of it all too! I might be vegetarian but I do drink milk. Difference though is that I don't feel the fox or any other predator out there is doing something that makes them a 'plague' or 'vermin'. WE however support cruelty whenever it suits us. WE are abusers and destroyers. All those other creatures just try to survive in the world we have created...
tinyfangs: There is no beast more viscous on this planet than the human one.
Some animals will kill for fun too, but they do not claim the ability for empathy. Humans do, but they will apply it mainly according to benefit. If it makes them feel good to feel with another, they will do so, but when it means to sacrifice another interest in the name of empathy, empathy is forgotten very fast.
There are plenty of calves out there who are taken from their mothers, many chickens never see theirs either. They might not die a few minutes after birth, but I think many of them if they could choose, would rather have the fox kill them before ending in the grinds of mass production. And I am part of it all too! I might be vegetarian but I do drink milk. Difference though is that I don't feel the fox or any other predator out there is doing something that makes them a 'plague' or 'vermin'. WE however support cruelty whenever it suits us. WE are abusers and destroyers. All those other creatures just try to survive in the world we have created...
Some animals will kill for fun too, but they do not claim the ability for empathy. Humans do, but they will apply it mainly according to benefit. If it makes them feel good to feel with another, they will do so, but when it means to sacrifice another interest in the name of empathy, empathy is forgotten very fast.
There are plenty of calves out there who are taken from their mothers, many chickens never see theirs either. They might not die a few minutes after birth, but I think many of them if they could choose, would rather have the fox kill them before ending in the grinds of mass production. And I am part of it all too! I might be vegetarian but I do drink milk. Difference though is that I don't feel the fox or any other predator out there is doing something that makes them a 'plague' or 'vermin'. WE however support cruelty whenever it suits us. WE are abusers and destroyers. All those other creatures just try to survive in the world we have created...
We get it....You love nature.....hate the human race.
sofarsogood74: We get it....You love nature.....hate the human race.
No you didn't get it.
I hate hypocrisy.
But you are excused for not understanding
tinyfangs: There is no beast more viscous on this planet than the human one.
Some animals will kill for fun too, but they do not claim the ability for empathy. Humans do, but they will apply it mainly according to benefit. If it makes them feel good to feel with another, they will do so, but when it means to sacrifice another interest in the name of empathy, empathy is forgotten very fast.
There are plenty of calves out there who are taken from their mothers, many chickens never see theirs either. They might not die a few minutes after birth, but I think many of them if they could choose, would rather have the fox kill them before ending in the grinds of mass production. And I am part of it all too! I might be vegetarian but I do drink milk. Difference though is that I don't feel the fox or any other predator out there is doing something that makes them a 'plague' or 'vermin'. WE however support cruelty whenever it suits us. WE are abusers and destroyers. All those other creatures just try to survive in the world we have created...
Some animals will kill for fun too, but they do not claim the ability for empathy. Humans do, but they will apply it mainly according to benefit. If it makes them feel good to feel with another, they will do so, but when it means to sacrifice another interest in the name of empathy, empathy is forgotten very fast.
There are plenty of calves out there who are taken from their mothers, many chickens never see theirs either. They might not die a few minutes after birth, but I think many of them if they could choose, would rather have the fox kill them before ending in the grinds of mass production. And I am part of it all too! I might be vegetarian but I do drink milk. Difference though is that I don't feel the fox or any other predator out there is doing something that makes them a 'plague' or 'vermin'. WE however support cruelty whenever it suits us. WE are abusers and destroyers. All those other creatures just try to survive in the world we have created...
Then come to the forest with me and microherd!! We will only kill what we need to survive!
benni2: grim
snowlynx: Then come to the forest with me and microherd!! We will only kill what we need to survive!
That I can go with happily
And there is the promise of you two dancing in the moonlight too!
tinyfangs: Well very obviously you didn't get it, but I didn't expect this the second time round either.
I have raised my own and I held my own on the day of slaughter. I ensured every step of the way that everything was done to cause as little stress and upsets while they lived, same as when they died.
Here is your quote:
Is it still a poor thing when it eventually ends on your plate too?
That is hypocrisy in my books. The fox kills, we kill. If the aame act makes the fox vermin, what does it make us then?
Don't give me the 'you are a hippie' cr*p, as I have battled it out with them just as I will battle it out with you. I have seen a lot because I went to see it and experience it, and I know what I am making myself part of when I drink milk, and still I do it, but I will not find excuses for it, nor will I point at another creature far less able than I am to understand the implications of suffering caused to another, and speak about its 'poor victims' as if I don't partake in victimizing other beings.
Maybe you got it now? *smiles warmly*
I have raised my own and I held my own on the day of slaughter. I ensured every step of the way that everything was done to cause as little stress and upsets while they lived, same as when they died.
Here is your quote:
Is it still a poor thing when it eventually ends on your plate too?
That is hypocrisy in my books. The fox kills, we kill. If the aame act makes the fox vermin, what does it make us then?
Don't give me the 'you are a hippie' cr*p, as I have battled it out with them just as I will battle it out with you. I have seen a lot because I went to see it and experience it, and I know what I am making myself part of when I drink milk, and still I do it, but I will not find excuses for it, nor will I point at another creature far less able than I am to understand the implications of suffering caused to another, and speak about its 'poor victims' as if I don't partake in victimizing other beings.
Maybe you got it now? *smiles warmly*
So because I feel sorry for a calf getting scoffed around the neck by a fox just after it is born but I eat meat makes me a hypocrite? That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard! If you read my first post you will see I have no problem with animals being killed as long as they are killed humanly. Do you reckon the steak I eat came from a cow that was battered to death or tortured?
I feel sorry for anything that dies in a horrible violent way...the less stress the better. So a nail gun to the brain after being stunned is OK with me....But when they start beating the cows to death with clubs in the slaughter house let me know and if I still eat meat then I'll be a hypocrite.
Hypocrite cause I called a calf getting scoffed by a fox just after being born a poor thing.!
I'v heard it all now.Have you not got some mice to free from a lab or something?
sofarsogood74: So because I feel sorry for a calf getting scoffed around the neck by a fox just after it is born but I eat meat makes me a hypocrite? That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard! If you read my first post you will see I have no problem with animals being killed as long as they are killed humanly. Do you reckon the steak I eat came from a cow that was battered to death or tortured?
I feel sorry for anything that dies in a horrible violent way...the less stress the better. So a nail gun to the brain after being stunned is OK with me....But when they start beating the cows to death with clubs in the slaughter house let me know and if I still eat meat then I'll be a hypocrite.
Hypocrite cause I called a calf getting scoffed by a fox just after being born a poor thing.! I'v heard it all now.
Have you not got some mice to free from a lab or something?
I feel sorry for anything that dies in a horrible violent way...the less stress the better. So a nail gun to the brain after being stunned is OK with me....But when they start beating the cows to death with clubs in the slaughter house let me know and if I still eat meat then I'll be a hypocrite.
Hypocrite cause I called a calf getting scoffed by a fox just after being born a poor thing.! I'v heard it all now.
Have you not got some mice to free from a lab or something?
Then we agree I hope, do we not? The fox is not vermin nor cruel, but follows its nature. And I do hope you are only eating meat from sources you have checked the up bringing and know how the slaughtering is conducted. I do not do this with my milk, but you will never hear me say I am not partaking in cruelty. I know that I am, and I know that in my name victims are created.
Most of the time when people call other predators vermin and speak about the poor creatures they kill, it is only about the human interest at stake, for if it would really be about the 'poor creatures', all those humans would also be vegan, or at least source their meat and eggs not from supermarket shelves, but would make sure they source it from farmers directly, and best even be there on the day of slaughter.
Not pleasent though to hold a being that's killed for your benefit. Doubt many would wish to go through it.
tinyfangs: Then we agree I hope, do we not? The fox is not vermin nor cruel, but follows its nature. And I do hope you are only eating meat from sources you have checked the up bringing and know how the slaughtering is conducted. I do not do this with my milk, but you will never hear me say I am not partaking in cruelty. I know that I am, and I know that in my name victims are created.
Most of the time when people call other predators vermin and speak about the poor creatures they kill, it is only about the human interest at stake, for if it would really be about the 'poor creatures', all those humans would also be vegan, or at least source their meat and eggs not from supermarket shelves, but would make sure they source it from farmers directly, and best even be there on the day of slaughter.
Not pleasant though to hold a being that's killed for your benefit. Doubt many would wish to go through it.
Most of the time when people call other predators vermin and speak about the poor creatures they kill, it is only about the human interest at stake, for if it would really be about the 'poor creatures', all those humans would also be vegan, or at least source their meat and eggs not from supermarket shelves, but would make sure they source it from farmers directly, and best even be there on the day of slaughter.
Not pleasant though to hold a being that's killed for your benefit. Doubt many would wish to go through it.
The fox is not cruel but it is vermin. Animals can't be cruel because they act on instinct and don't think as we do. There is an argument about Dolphins playing with their prey but that is an argument for another day.
Vermin simply means pest or nuisance animal which the fox is to many farmers. And if they shoot them I have no problem with that as it is quick and as humane as you can get. Just like a nail gun to the head is about as humane as we can do for the cow.
sofarsogood74: Have you not got some mice to free from a lab or something?
And btw.. this comment.. how to take it?
So creatures who suffer and die for our research, for our benefit.. do not deserve our empathy?
Some of what we do appears unavoiadable as we too try to survive as best as we can, but if you claim to be a being capable of empathy, then the least one should do is feel deeply sorrt for those who suffer for us...
tinyfangs: And btw.. this comment.. how to take it?
So creatures who suffer and die for our research, for our benefit.. do not deserve our empathy?
Some of what we do appears unavoiadable as we too try to survive as best as we can, but if you claim to be a being capable of empathy, then the least one should do is feel deeply sorrt for those who suffer for us...
So creatures who suffer and die for our research, for our benefit.. do not deserve our empathy?
Some of what we do appears unavoiadable as we too try to survive as best as we can, but if you claim to be a being capable of empathy, then the least one should do is feel deeply sorrt for those who suffer for us...
I can't feel empathy for something that does not think like me. I don't know how it feels as we are not the same species. And you can't know how it feels either.
But I can feel sorry for them. But I don't feel sorry for small rodents that are bred to serve a function. Without testing on them we would not have had many medical break throughs that save lives daily and make peoples lives better.
Just like if I have a rodent in my house I dont feel sorry for it when I find it dead in the trap!
tinyfangs: And btw.. this comment.. how to take it?
So creatures who suffer and die for our research, for our benefit.. do not deserve our empathy?
Some of what we do appears unavoiadable as we too try to survive as best as we can, but if you claim to be a being capable of empathy, then the least one should do is feel deeply sorrt for those who suffer for us...
So creatures who suffer and die for our research, for our benefit.. do not deserve our empathy?
Some of what we do appears unavoiadable as we too try to survive as best as we can, but if you claim to be a being capable of empathy, then the least one should do is feel deeply sorrt for those who suffer for us...
they are God's creatures and should be valued as that, they have a cycle of life too and important, even if we don't think
pedro27: they are God's creatures and should be valued as that, they have a cycle of life too and important, even if we don't think
Didnt realise you were a vegetarian P.
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