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Dec 6, 2014 8:20 AM CST Punishable?
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
If the victim of bullying takes his/her own life, should the bully be held accountable, and therefore, be punished by law?

Yes, if this was a law maybe the bullying problems would decrease.

There are too many horrible cases of bullying going on everywhere and it should be treated as a serious crime!
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Dec 6, 2014 8:25 AM CST Punishable?
bungallow55
bungallow55bungallow55Lakeland, Florida USA238 Threads 10 Polls 3,837 Posts
Friskyone: If the victim of bullying takes his/her own life, should the bully be held accountable, and therefore, be punished by law?

Yes, if this was a law maybe the bullying problems would decrease.

There are too many horrible cases of bullying going on everywhere and it should be treated as a serious crime!


here in Florida Tampa bay area the sheriff tried to do exactly that instead he got a lawsuit, according to the attorneys these poor girls suffered a lot after being arrested, but what about the girl who jumped off and die? after being bullied in school and social mediadunno
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Dec 6, 2014 8:42 AM CST Punishable?
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
bungallow55: here in Florida Tampa bay area the sheriff tried to do exactly that instead he got a lawsuit, according to the attorneys these poor girls suffered a lot after being arrested, but what about the girl who jumped off and die? after being bullied in school and social media


WOW! That's incredible! Bullying has a terrible, terrible impact on one's psyche. Some people, especially the bully's themselves, do not realize the impact and seriousness of their actions.
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Dec 6, 2014 9:19 AM CST Punishable?
Riverskipper
RiverskipperRiverskipperdallas, Oregon USA33 Posts
also to have families back together again and to sit at the kitchen table at mealtime. To call each other on the phone to share ideas and Real love is what we need. Divorce has become rampant. It is expensive and it cheapens us. Let's get back to reality here life is good if we make it that way.
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Dec 6, 2014 9:50 AM CST Punishable?
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Friskyone: If the victim of bullying takes his/her own life, should the bully be held accountable, and therefore, be punished by law?

Yes, if this was a law maybe the bullying problems would decrease.

There are too many horrible cases of bullying going on everywhere and it should be treated as a serious crime!


It should be punishable, at least to teach them the limits.
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Dec 6, 2014 9:56 AM CST Punishable?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Friskyone: If the victim of bullying takes his/her own life, should the bully be held accountable, and therefore, be punished by law?

Yes, if this was a law maybe the bullying problems would decrease.

There are too many horrible cases of bullying going on everywhere and it should be treated as a serious crime!


I think if you're the victim and you lose your temper and then beat your bully or bullies to a pulp then you should be let off lightly.

For instance picking up a rock and mashing it into your bully's face is a perfectly acceptable response. Killing yourself is not an acceptable response and we wouldn't want to encourage victims to do this.
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Dec 6, 2014 9:59 AM CST Punishable?
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
Obstinance_Works: I think if you're the victim and you lose your temper and then beat your bully or bullies to a pulp then you should be let off lightly.

For instance picking up a rock and mashing it into your bully's face is a perfectly acceptable response. Killing yourself is not an acceptable response and we wouldn't want to encourage victims to do this.


Are you serious???confused
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Dec 6, 2014 10:09 AM CST Punishable?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Friskyone: Are you serious???
self defence/only thing they understand,is force.law of jungle type thing/sense weakness to face shape,why when sent to prison u get matched w/ types that get along better,less guard inmate fueds,etc.
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Dec 6, 2014 10:26 AM CST Punishable?
Friskyone
FriskyoneFriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 Posts
reb56: self defence/only thing they understand,is force.law of jungle type thing/sense weakness to face shape,why when sent to prison u get matched w/ types that get along better,less guard inmate fueds,etc.


I understood the self-defense part but no one ever said anything about encouraging someone to take their own lives. The victims are psychologically driven to do so because they become "broken".
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Dec 6, 2014 10:30 AM CST Punishable?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Friskyone: I understood the self-defense part but no one ever said anything about encouraging someone to take their own lives. The victims are psychologically driven to do so because they become "broken".
u can only try,cant fix the whole world,sad but true.
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Dec 6, 2014 10:50 AM CST Punishable?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Friskyone: If the victim of bullying takes his/her own life, should the bully be held accountable, and therefore, be punished by law?

Yes, if this was a law maybe the bullying problems would decrease.

There are too many horrible cases of bullying going on everywhere and it should be treated as a serious crime!

I'm not sure that's a sensible way to go about things.

It might be a bit tricky to define bullying, or draw a line between punishable bullying offences and expression of feelings.

If someone takes their own life they can't give evidence as to the resons why, so it could be based upon supposition.

If you punish people, it's only an effective exercise if they properly understand why. Banging someonebup without very, very thorough understanding is likely to produce the same feelings of anger and resentment which led to the bullying behaviour in the first place.

If you want to reduce bullying behavoiurs, education and personal development would be better places to start.
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Dec 6, 2014 11:24 AM CST Punishable?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Friskyone: Are you serious???


The jist is serious. Fighting back is the best thing a victim can do. And this has to be done properly or not at all.

The bad thing is to put the idea in the victim's mind that their tormentor will be royally punished if only they kill themselves. Because more of them will then kill themselves.

You won't hear this advice from a modern parent or from the industrial-complex of anti-boy therapy. It sounds more like something from 50 years ago. But guess what? Three times as many kids kill themselves under modern parenting than they did in the 1950s. And we don't even have National Service anymore.
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Dec 6, 2014 11:38 AM CST Punishable?
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Obstinance_Works: The jist is serious. Fighting back is the best thing a victim can do. And this has to be done properly or not at all.

The bad thing is to put the idea in the victim's mind that their tormentor will be royally punished if only they kill themselves. Because more of them will then kill themselves.

You won't hear this advice from a modern parent or from the industrial-complex of anti-boy therapy. It sounds more like something from 50 years ago. But guess what? Three times as many kids kill themselves under modern parenting than they did in the 1950s. And we don't even have National Service anymore.


Admittedly this may depend on why you're being bullied. This will work if you're bullied for being different like I was when I lived in Wales(who hate the English)or when I lived in Stoke which is full of Muslims(who hate everyone). These lads strangely enough give you a wide berth once you've given one of theirs a good kicking.

But this won't work on natural victims I don't think because they'd never be able to carry it off. If you've got weak parents or you're just a natural goof then it's probably best that you hide in your mum's/teacher's skirts.
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Dec 6, 2014 11:43 AM CST Punishable?
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
In response to: If the victim of bullying takes his/her own life, should the bully be held accountable, and therefore, be punished by law?

Yes, if this was a law maybe the bullying problems would decrease.

There are too many horrible cases of bullying going on everywhere and it should be treated as a serious crime!


Back in the day when I was attending elementary school, a girl used to threaten and bully me every single day. I would go home crying to my mom because the school teachers never did a thing about it. My mom told me to fight back and she'll stop although I wasn't confident that I could fight her but one day I had enough and my hurt turned to anger so I grabbed her by the hair and swung her onto the ground where she sat crying. She and her followers were awestruck and from that day forward, I was never bothered by her or her followers again.

My son was bullied in school and I spoke to the school principle about it but nothing ever got done so I told my son to fight back. Guess what? My son got reprimanded for fighting and the bully continued on his merry way. The system was flawed and perhaps it still is but something must change to address bullying.
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Dec 6, 2014 11:44 AM CST Punishable?
unlaoised
unlaoisedunlaoisedTwilight zone, Wicklow Ireland34 Threads 12,152 Posts
Friskyone: If the victim of bullying takes his/her own life, should the bully be held accountable, and therefore, be punished by law?

Yes, if this was a law maybe the bullying problems would decrease.

There are too many horrible cases of bullying going on everywhere and it should be treated as a serious crime!


Yes, I definitely think they should be held responsiblethumbs up
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Dec 6, 2014 11:47 AM CST Punishable?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
lifeisadream:
Perents educate.

And never apologise,falsely claiming rude mail.
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Dec 6, 2014 11:51 AM CST Punishable?
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
chris27292729: And never apologise,falsely claiming rude mail.


Sending someone a mail with several throwing up emoticons is not rude Christ?






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Dec 6, 2014 11:53 AM CST Punishable?
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
When in USA my son was been bothered by a bully, he and his family house was a couple of blocks away from us.

This bully boy’s parents were really busy, the Mother was a secretary working full time to sustain the family while the Father was getting a degree from the State University (I would assume he had an scholarship as well) They had a boy and a girl.

Those children would be alone from the time they returned from school until their parents came home and many times it was past dinner time.

Once this boy’home was having an water liking in their bathroom and their home was being in the risk of flood. The mother called me for help, I went there close off the water system and brought the children to our home.

These children were unattended, neglected and perhaps they felt they were not important to their parents.



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Dec 6, 2014 11:56 AM CST Punishable?
secretagent09
secretagent09secretagent09New Jersey Girl in, North Carolina USA198 Threads 4 Polls 7,230 Posts
Here is the brief story of Tyler Clementi who jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge after being bullied when it was found out that he had an intimate encounter with another student.


Suicide of Tyler Clementi

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Born
December 19, 1991
Ridgewood, New Jersey, U.S.

Died
September 22, 2010 (aged 18)
Fort Lee, New Jersey, U.S.


Cause of death
Suicide by jumping from height leading to drowning

Education
Ridgewood High School
Rutgers University

Occupation
Student

Tyler Clementi (December 19, 1991 – September 22, 2010) was an eighteen-year-old student at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey, who jumped to his death from the George Washington Bridge on September 22, 2010. On September 19, his roommate, Dharun Ravi, and a fellow hall mate, Molly Wei, used a webcam on Ravi's computer and a computer in Wei's dorm room to view, without Clementi's knowledge, Clementi kissing another man. On September 21, the day prior to the suicide, Ravi urged friends and Twitter followers to watch via his webcam a second tryst between Clementi and his friend, though the viewing never occurred.

Ravi and Wei were indicted for their roles in the webcam incidents, though they were not charged with a role in the suicide itself.

Clementi's death brought national and international attention to the issue of cyberbullying and the struggles facing LGBT youth.



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Dec 6, 2014 12:01 PM CST Punishable?
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
lifeisadream: Sending someone a mail with several throwing up emoticons is not rude Christ?

laugh laugh laugh Oh.the emoticonrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Not the mail itself.doh doh doh
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