Why would anyone believe in a god? (145)
jono7: thankyou for stating this so much more clearly than i can
i have experienced 'states', and 'seen' things, i can not explain other than to say i know love is real, there is no separation, and the universe is always listening.
i have experienced 'states', and 'seen' things, i can not explain other than to say i know love is real, there is no separation, and the universe is always listening.
In our usual state of body consciousness, awareness of a higher spirit is impossible. Only by being totally detached and incorporeal can true awareness come into being. This is beyond words, explanation or evidence.
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BigBamaQ: Absolutely untrue, the more educated and up to date as you put it the more likely you are to be atheist.
The reason I don't believe is because there is no evidence for a god. Given peer reviewed evidence I would believe but certainly would not worship the god of Abraham. I could not worship such an immoral being.
The reason I don't believe is because there is no evidence for a god. Given peer reviewed evidence I would believe but certainly would not worship the god of Abraham. I could not worship such an immoral being.
So can you explain where is the end of the universe?
Can you explain why we're such a tiny speck of billions of galaxies out there?
And while you're at it why are you more stupid than Einstein? And that includes me.
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lindsyjones: So can you explain where is the end of the universe?
Can you explain why we're such a tiny speck of billions of galaxies out there?
And while you're at it why are you more stupid than Einstein? And that includes me.
Can you explain why we're such a tiny speck of billions of galaxies out there?
And while you're at it why are you more stupid than Einstein? And that includes me.
Ops you see? I'm so imperfect and can't even get anything right sometimes, should have said why do majority lack intelligence? NOT like Einstein?
And many more. ..i you owe it to yourself that you're here?
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lindsyjones: So can you explain where is the end of the universe?
Can you explain why we're such a tiny speck of billions of galaxies out there?
And while you're at it why are you more stupid than Einstein? And that includes me.
Can you explain why we're such a tiny speck of billions of galaxies out there?
And while you're at it why are you more stupid than Einstein? And that includes me.
The explanation on whether there is or not a God, cannot really be explained by human nature. The billions of galaxies u talk bout... we don't know anything quite bout them...?? but science it's a working progress, and I am sure ur questions would have answers in a future. (Rome wasn't built in a day right??). The problem with the question on whether a God does or doesn't exist, its that people worry TOO MUCH bout knowledge. I think the knowledge we already have is enough to have a happy life. But just how u mentioned the galaxies, (it seems like humans cant have enough, they want it all, wanna discover everything, and so on).
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SandraYelitzza2: The explanation on whether there is or not a God, cannot really be explained by human nature. The billions of galaxies u talk bout... we don't know anything quite bout them...?? but science it's a working progress, and I am sure ur questions would have answers in a future. (Rome wasn't built in a day right??). The problem with the question on whether a God does or doesn't exist, its that people worry TOO MUCH bout knowledge. I think the knowledge we already have is enough to have a happy life. But just how u mentioned the galaxies, (it seems like humans cant have enough, they want it all, wanna discover everything, and so on).
My point Sandra as far as I am concerned is yes I believe in God.
For those who don't I respect them but so do I need to be respected believing in.
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uuuhh, Is this discussion about believing in a god (meaning as in idol) or are you speaking about believing in GOD the Creator of all things in heaven and on earth?
All I know is that, it takes a "WHOSOEVER" to have true real faith to believe in GOD THE CREATOR! Therefore, if you're not a WHOSOEVER, then why worry?... you have no legit reason to have faith to believe in such a Divine Infinite Personable Being as GOD!
Ima WHOSOEVER... therefore, I have strong faith to believe in GOD AND THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS GOD HIMSELF INCARNATED!...
All I know is that, it takes a "WHOSOEVER" to have true real faith to believe in GOD THE CREATOR! Therefore, if you're not a WHOSOEVER, then why worry?... you have no legit reason to have faith to believe in such a Divine Infinite Personable Being as GOD!
Ima WHOSOEVER... therefore, I have strong faith to believe in GOD AND THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS GOD HIMSELF INCARNATED!...
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lindsyjones: My point Sandra as far as I am concerned is yes I believe in God.
For those who don't I respect them but so do I need to be respected believing in.
For those who don't I respect them but so do I need to be respected believing in.
And of course, everybody's beliefs gotta be respected. My point exact here is that humans need to stop worrying in general and enjoy life whether with a God, Multiple Gods/Goddesses or Godless xD
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jono7: somethings....
again, i think it gets back to one's own interpretation of 'god', which for some of us, is independent of organized religion.
again, i think it gets back to one's own interpretation of 'god', which for some of us, is independent of organized religion.
Religion sometimes has nothing to do with God. My belief is independent of any religious institutions or organization. My belief is personal and therefore doesn't affect others, but to answer the OP I do, for reasons that is beyond me or anyone to explain.
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lifeisadream: What did you say about the origin of the higher intelligence?
All things come from no thing.
lifeisadream: Tony???
I do know Tony and he is not of a higher intelligence unless it is other Tony.
I do know Tony and he is not of a higher intelligence unless it is other Tony.
No, not that Tony. He is a mere demigod.
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bodleing2: For some a belief in a god is just that, a belief. However, those who are 'aware' of their god do not need to provide evidence. Awareness is personal, cannot be shared, cannot be taught, it has to be experienced.
Only those who have experienced god, or a higher power, know it's not a matter of belief, it's a state of being, and it's personal.
Only those who have experienced god, or a higher power, know it's not a matter of belief, it's a state of being, and it's personal.
Bingo
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Depends on the context.
Religion from tradition is about authority, continuity, identity, loyalty and stability. It's a communal thing which makes the in-group more cohesive and the out-groups more distinctive. It's an "Us" and "Them" thing.
Nowadays religious belief is more about adopting whichever beliefs your parents don't belong to. It's self-promoting, asocial and wants nothing to do with the past, the tradition or the people around them. They're thoroughly atomised beliefs despite(or even because of)being incredibly samey. There's certainly a crass spiritual populism that sounds vaguely Eastern in origin - e.g Karma et al. It's a LOOKATME and how unique I am(not)thing.
Religion from tradition is about authority, continuity, identity, loyalty and stability. It's a communal thing which makes the in-group more cohesive and the out-groups more distinctive. It's an "Us" and "Them" thing.
Nowadays religious belief is more about adopting whichever beliefs your parents don't belong to. It's self-promoting, asocial and wants nothing to do with the past, the tradition or the people around them. They're thoroughly atomised beliefs despite(or even because of)being incredibly samey. There's certainly a crass spiritual populism that sounds vaguely Eastern in origin - e.g Karma et al. It's a LOOKATME and how unique I am(not)thing.
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Obstinance_Works: Depends on the context.
Religion from tradition is about authority, continuity, identity, loyalty and stability. It's a communal thing which makes the in-group more cohesive and the out-groups more distinctive. It's an "Us" and "Them" thing.
Nowadays religious belief is more about adopting whichever beliefs your parents don't belong to. It's self-promoting, asocial and wants nothing to do with the past, the tradition or the people around them. They're thoroughly atomised beliefs despite(or even because of)being incredibly samey. There's certainly a crass spiritual populism that sounds vaguely Eastern in origin - e.g Karma et al. It's a LOOKATME and how unique I am(not)thing.
Religion from tradition is about authority, continuity, identity, loyalty and stability. It's a communal thing which makes the in-group more cohesive and the out-groups more distinctive. It's an "Us" and "Them" thing.
Nowadays religious belief is more about adopting whichever beliefs your parents don't belong to. It's self-promoting, asocial and wants nothing to do with the past, the tradition or the people around them. They're thoroughly atomised beliefs despite(or even because of)being incredibly samey. There's certainly a crass spiritual populism that sounds vaguely Eastern in origin - e.g Karma et al. It's a LOOKATME and how unique I am(not)thing.
The oldendaysers were a particularist herd.
20th century moderners are a universalist swarm.
We've gone from being mammals to insects, from Vikings to v*ginas.
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BigBamaQ: Its an honest question, I was once a believer because I was indoctrinated as a child. But as a rational adult I have found no reason to believe in a god. I searched for evidence and found that all evidence points to natural processes and contradicts the bible. I researched other religions and found they held no more truth than Christianity.
I understand that faith is the basis for belief in a deity. While faith is belief without evidence which to me means gullibility. I don't intend to offend but this is how it appears to me.
A definition of what I mean by evidence.
ev·i·dence/'ev?d?ns/noun
noun: evidence
1. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
"they found evidence of his plotting"
I understand that faith is the basis for belief in a deity. While faith is belief without evidence which to me means gullibility. I don't intend to offend but this is how it appears to me.
A definition of what I mean by evidence.
ev·i·dence/'ev?d?ns/noun
noun: evidence
1. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
"they found evidence of his plotting"
Definition of GOD IS GENERATE,ORGANISE.DESTROY
THE THREE IN ONE CAN BE INVOKED WHEN IN UNWANTED SITUATIONS.
ITS MORE OF MIND THAN THE DEITY.HOWEVER CONTINUOUS INVOCATIONS BY THE MASSES CREATES THE DEITY.
ITS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION NOT TO BELIEVE IN HIM.U PROBABLY STOPPED BELIEVING BECAUSE OF YOUR PERSON EXPERIENCES.HOWEVER INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCE DIFFERS.SOME PEOPLE BELIEVE IN GOD BECAUSE THEY DID NOT HAVE SOLUTIONS TO THEIR PROBLEMS UNTIL THEY CALLED ON GOD.
U NEED TO BE PURE IN HEART AND MIND AND LEAD A RIGHTEOUS LIFE BEFORE YOUR PRAYERS CAN BE ANSWERED..HURTING OTHERS AND BEHAVING BADLY USUALLY RESULTS IN PRAYER's not answered and disbelieving in the deity.The Ten Commandments were made to help people to achieve harmony in life,for as u sow u shall reap.Even in non Christian meditation,u need a clear and good mind to focus.
Believing in God disciplines one and it is a harmonious therapy for the mind. Most non believers results in alcohol,drugs etc,They believe these things will help them to be happy..If u believe in God u don't need these things even when u have nothing u r happy
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Obstinance_Works: The oldendaysers were a particularist herd.
20th century moderners are a universalist swarm.
We've gone from being mammals to insects, from Vikings to v*ginas.
20th century moderners are a universalist swarm.
We've gone from being mammals to insects, from Vikings to v*ginas.
I have tried very hard most of my young life to find a reason to believe in a God. To Date I have found none, and I have checked most places.
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I see your in the dark well lets see if I can shed some light on this subject. Their is no immortality like one would think. Yeah you die and your body goes to dust and that the end of your body. But the body is a shell actually it is what our souls need to be in this reality or dimension as it were. We are here to experience life on this plan. As far as religion goes that it. It should go ever since the grand church came into being it been totally screw up ever since they found a way to get the people to give all they had in order to supposedly save your soul. Made the church rich but the people remain poor sort of like it is now with company's running the country instead of the people we put in office so that doesn't happen but that another story. Any way your soul doesn't die. Their will always be light and if their is light then your soul meaning you not your body will live on. Every body thinking oh I get to go to heaven and my body will some how make it up their and I be like I was before I aged and died well guess what nope that isn't the way it is your never to get that body back might get another one and sent back here cause u didn't get it the first time around. So pay attention or I feel you may get return trip. I all about your personal relation with God that what the church didn't want you to know other wise they wouldn't exist today with out your money so forget the church and find your own believe in ones self and relation to God. And who knows maybe a light bulb will light up and u will see your way out .
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Obstinance_Works: Basically we(more accurately, the Baby Boomers)left communalism behind but they did not arrive at individualism, they arrived at corporatism.
Now many drones do want to feel significant, that they are diverse or unique, but in actuality their lives have never been less significant and what they think or feel never less important. This inherent drone status of people today is probably why they cling to their petty beliefs; To promote and validate themselves in compensation for flagrant feelings of insecurity and insignificance. People today have to insist upon themselves because there's no substance to themselves.
Now many drones do want to feel significant, that they are diverse or unique, but in actuality their lives have never been less significant and what they think or feel never less important. This inherent drone status of people today is probably why they cling to their petty beliefs; To promote and validate themselves in compensation for flagrant feelings of insecurity and insignificance. People today have to insist upon themselves because there's no substance to themselves.
Do u really realize what u have been saying?
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chemicals i heard a voice, ''i am the lord your God''
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bodleing2: I spent most of my life thinking this way ob, but then something changed. I realised now, I was too busy being a 'human doing' and not a human being to spot the signs, or acknowledge the tap on the shoulder.
Maybe one day, when the time is right, when you least expect it, when words are meaningless, a door will open...and you will see.One day maybe
Maybe one day, when the time is right, when you least expect it, when words are meaningless, a door will open...and you will see.One day maybe
I want a family and children, Bod, and there's a duty to posterity to ensure that some materialism is retained or else they'll starve. I can't go and navel gaze in the woods as too many billions depend on at least some of us making an active contribution to the material world. It is a privilege that some can afford to abscone from this physical duty.
I'm not totally against Buddhism, but I don't like its isolation and its out-of-touchness with the real world(which for many is Buddhism's great escapist appeal).
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Obstinance_Works: I want a family and children, Bod, and there's a duty to posterity to ensure that some materialism is retained or else they'll starve. I can't go and navel gaze in the woods as too many billions depend on at least some of us making an active contribution to the material world. It is a privilege that some can afford to abscone from this physical duty.
I'm not totally against Buddhism, but I don't like its isolation and its out-of-touchness with the real world(which for many is Buddhism's great escapist appeal).
I'm not totally against Buddhism, but I don't like its isolation and its out-of-touchness with the real world(which for many is Buddhism's great escapist appeal).
I'm not suggesting you give up all your chattels and go live in a cave on a remote mountainside, far from it. Being spiritually aware doesn't mean opting out of society, it's about creating a better society based on love, compassion and respect for all living things and Buddhism is just one of the many paths that helps guide you on your spiritual journey. Once you realise that love and compassion are our true nature and that anger, hatred, jealousy etc are all delusions of the mind, once you are fully aware of that, your "real world" becomes quite different.
Maybe read up a little, a good start might be this free ebook, Modern Buddhism.
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Only those who have experienced god, or a higher power, know it's not a matter of belief, it's a state of being, and it's personal.
thankyou for stating this so much more clearly than i can
i have experienced 'states', and 'seen' things, i can not explain other than to say i know love is real, there is no separation, and the universe is always listening.