Why would anyone believe in a god? (145)
online today!online today!ali110Hamburg, Germany1,842 Threads 428 Polls 27,975 PostsConrad73: Never heard of Hydroponics,have you,Ali?
hi conrad , i wish you could explore the real islam sir 
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BigBamaQ: Its an honest question, I was once a believer because I was indoctrinated as a child. But as a rational adult I have found no reason to believe in a god. I searched for evidence and found that all evidence points to natural processes and contradicts the bible. I researched other religions and found they held no more truth than Christianity.
I understand that faith is the basis for belief in a deity. While faith is belief without evidence which to me means gullibility. I don't intend to offend but this is how it appears to me.
A definition of what I mean by evidence.
ev·i·dence/'ev?d?ns/noun
noun: evidence
1. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
"they found evidence of his plotting"
I understand that faith is the basis for belief in a deity. While faith is belief without evidence which to me means gullibility. I don't intend to offend but this is how it appears to me.
A definition of what I mean by evidence.
ev·i·dence/'ev?d?ns/noun
noun: evidence
1. the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
"the study finds little evidence of overt discrimination"synonyms: proof, confirmation, verification, substantiation, corroboration, affirmation, attestation
"they found evidence of his plotting"
Well...well...well. For once I actually partially agrees with someone.
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Obstinance_Works: Comfort in the face of oblivion.
Atheism strike me as being the most delusional. There's nothing more pretentiously delusional than rationality feigned. You really are kidding yourself to think that the Human spirit is anything like a computer, robot, logic box or anything else that Atheism and the Enlightenment makes it out to be.
Yes, you may get the Richard Dawkins and people with autism who can be true to Atheism, but for the most part Atheism merely blazes new pathways to Nihilism.
Atheism strike me as being the most delusional. There's nothing more pretentiously delusional than rationality feigned. You really are kidding yourself to think that the Human spirit is anything like a computer, robot, logic box or anything else that Atheism and the Enlightenment makes it out to be.
Yes, you may get the Richard Dawkins and people with autism who can be true to Atheism, but for the most part Atheism merely blazes new pathways to Nihilism.
Actually for the most part,blind delusional belief in a religion or a god is more of a path to Nihilism. You don't see any atheists going to war to fight for their gods or their beliefs.
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BigBamaQ: If you say so....
yeah, I say so , so you want to hit your self on the head. What eves, Read A Book, MAN KIND OIE ! LEARN Listen, Do you not see the abundance of God is ours to eternally share, Man, It is so easily understood. Be Kind, LOVING , do the right thing, Is that so difficult....... ! This place is a trip. GONE OUT PEACE
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The approach to it (Mind, Absolute, Void, Buddha Nature, Enlightenment) is called the Gateway of the Stillness beyond all Activity. If you wish to understand, know that a sudden comprehension comes when the mind has been purged of all the clutter of conceptual and discriminatory thought-activity.
Those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it. Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.
Huang Po
Those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it. Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.
Huang Po
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Curses for Disobedience
15 However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:
16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.
17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.
18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
15 However, if you do not obey the Lord your God and do not carefully follow all his commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come on you and overtake you:
16 You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country.
17 Your basket and your kneading trough will be cursed.
18 The fruit of your womb will be cursed, and the crops of your land, and the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.
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bodleing2: The approach to it (Mind, Absolute, Void, Buddha Nature, Enlightenment) is called the Gateway of the Stillness beyond all Activity. If you wish to understand, know that a sudden comprehension comes when the mind has been purged of all the clutter of conceptual and discriminatory thought-activity.
Those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it. Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.
Huang Po
What Bodlein said. Those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it. Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.
Huang Po
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michael63ca: Actually for the most part,blind delusional belief in a religion or a god is more of a path to Nihilism. You don't see any atheists going to war to fight for their gods or their beliefs.
Actually the act of posting your belief is an act of war/defense/offense meant to draw a line in the sand where you stand. While war is generally thought of as countries and civilizations and yes religions, the act of posting your belief is just a microcosm of greater war where your personal stance of belief against others is held. How much one would fight/offend/defend their belief unfolds on a daily basis between humans at home, at work and in life in general.
Most, if not all beliefs are delusional (based in conceptual preferences) as is the thought that only one belief carries any truth.
Atheists, and believers alike, are not immune to war/battle/fighting, and more importantly to being deluded.
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BB_snickers: Actually the act of posting your belief is an act of war/defense/offense meant to draw a line in the sand where you stand. While war is generally thought of as countries and civilizations and yes religions, the act of posting your belief is just a microcosm of greater war where your personal stance of belief against others is held. How much one would fight/offend/defend their belief unfolds on a daily basis between humans at home, at work and in life in general.
Most, if not all beliefs are delusional (based in conceptual preferences) as is the thought that only one belief carries any truth.
Atheists, and believers alike, are not immune to war/battle/fighting, and more importantly to being deluded.
Most, if not all beliefs are delusional (based in conceptual preferences) as is the thought that only one belief carries any truth.
Atheists, and believers alike, are not immune to war/battle/fighting, and more importantly to being deluded.
That's nihilism proper.
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bodleing2: The approach to it (Mind, Absolute, Void, Buddha Nature, Enlightenment) is called the Gateway of the Stillness beyond all Activity. If you wish to understand, know that a sudden comprehension comes when the mind has been purged of all the clutter of conceptual and discriminatory thought-activity.
Those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it. Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.
Huang Po
Those who seek the truth by means of the intellect and learning only get further and further away from it. Not till your thoughts cease all their branching here and there, not till you abandon all thoughts of seeking for something, not till your mind is motionless as wood or stone, will you be on the right road to the Gate.
Huang Po
Just on my way out the door.....though had to butt in with a
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Motorcycle Gods
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ali110: hi conrad , i wish you could explore the real islam sir
you're a Farmer and have never heard of Hydroponics?
Holy Mango,Batman!
It is a way of growing Plants,nothing to with Islam or Religion!
And I see Real Islam everytime I switch to a News-Site!
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Bogart_1960: .....
there's a place for any and all beliefs, including not believing ..
.."Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours?
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there's a place for any and all beliefs, including not believing
.. .."Arrogance has to be earned. Tell me what you've done to earn yours?
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Conrad73: Never heard of Hydroponics,have you,Ali?
Bad to the bone Conrad!
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chatonlyman2: Motorcycle Gods
and riding weather soon approaches
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Obstinance_Works: That's nihilism proper.
Nihilism (at least from my readings) ignores the awareness of experience wrought from any and all belief.
Philosophies, opinions, labels, judgement .. these are merely anchors thrown from HMS self, to anchor one in the experience of that particular belief. This indeed has meaning and as such it is where nihilism and I part. Throw in some determinism and it gets murkier.
The answer to the OP is obvious under these circumstances, ...why does one believe in a god? ... to have the experience that that belief engenders.
Humans tend to think they do things out of fear or knowledge (and as such tend to think others do as well) or some other abstract feeling/notion where the awareness of the experience is obliterated. I mean experience as an awareness of self, not as a resume of life.
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BB_snickers: Nihilism (at least from my readings) ignores the awareness of experience wrought from any and all belief.
Philosophies, opinions, labels, judgement .. these are merely anchors thrown from HMS self, to anchor one in the experience of that particular belief. This indeed has meaning and as such it is where nihilism and I part. Throw in some determinism and it gets murkier.
The answer to the OP is obvious under these circumstances, ...why does one believe in a god? ... to have the experience that that belief engenders.
Humans tend to think they do things out of fear or knowledge (and as such tend to think others do as well) or some other abstract feeling/notion where the awareness of the experience is obliterated. I mean experience as an awareness of self, not as a resume of life.
Philosophies, opinions, labels, judgement .. these are merely anchors thrown from HMS self, to anchor one in the experience of that particular belief. This indeed has meaning and as such it is where nihilism and I part. Throw in some determinism and it gets murkier.
The answer to the OP is obvious under these circumstances, ...why does one believe in a god? ... to have the experience that that belief engenders.
Humans tend to think they do things out of fear or knowledge (and as such tend to think others do as well) or some other abstract feeling/notion where the awareness of the experience is obliterated. I mean experience as an awareness of self, not as a resume of life.
I also think that human construct is subject to the parameters of duality and infinity created by a higher intelligence that can only be amused by the frailty of human intellect.
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BB_snickers: I also think that human construct is subject to the parameters of duality and infinity created by a higher intelligence that can only be amused by the frailty of human intellect.
Anything is Possible
if its somewhat plausible.Dying for our sins I dont go for that.
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BB_snickers: I also think that human construct is subject to the parameters of duality and infinity created by a higher intelligence that can only be amused by the frailty of human intellect.
Higher intelligence?
Does it have a name, concept, origen...?
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BigBamaQ:
I understand that faith is the basis for belief in a deity. While faith is belief without evidence which to me means gullibility. I don't intend to offend but this is how it appears to me.
I understand that faith is the basis for belief in a deity. While faith is belief without evidence which to me means gullibility. I don't intend to offend but this is how it appears to me.
i don't know why folks choose a particular religion...i guess the answers are as varied as the folks making the choices. as a kid, i thought folks practiced a belief in a god to help themselves get through dark times...and made their choice of god based on cultural values and community dogma. i personally don't adhere to a particular religion and respect that folks will make their own choices regarding religion and spirituality.
practicing a religion requires faith.
but so does practicing many other things require faith...when you enter a relationship with other, you have faith in that or you wouldn't enter into it. does that make you gullible? me thinks not...it's usually only labelled gullible after one's expectations are not met.
faith gives hope, and hope is very powerful. hope is that belief that your expectations will be met. hope alleviates fear.
when one feels 'faith, they feel 'hope',
when one feels 'hope', they feel 'trust'.
love <---------------->fear
trust<---------------->fear
hope <---------------->fear
jmo
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