Time For Spring Cleaning In The US? Should We Get Our House In Order? (18)
moxie46sanger, Texas USA2 Threads 8 PostsThere is alot of house cleaning to do - citizenship, borders, debt, economy, The Constitution, regulations, pollution, tax, welfare, infrastructure, foriegn affairs. Can Democrats and Republicans pull together to reach an ultimate goal without private interests or name calling? How would you clean house? What comprises would you be willing to make? Do we have a canidate that can unit the Dems and Reps ( work the isle)? If not, Why not? Your opinion please.
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Looks like Hilary wants the job!
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moxie46: There is alot of house cleaning to do - citizenship, borders, debt, economy, The Constitution, regulations, pollution, tax, welfare, infrastructure, foriegn affairs. Can Democrats and Republicans pull together to reach an ultimate goal without private interests or name calling? How would you clean house? What comprises would you be willing to make? Do we have a canidate that can unit the Dems and Reps ( work the isle)? If not, Why not? Your opinion please.
Is your house a wooden one?
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(sorry) This is a funny thread, right? How would I clean house? I'd repeal the law that gave rise to the lobbies in the first place and take money out of the game so far as possible (financial threshold to be admitted to debates etc) as it favors the super-rich, not the qualified. I'd eliminate the option to swap positions back and forth per session between being on the board of directors of multinationals and key legislative positions. I'd outlaw redistricting. (Anyone remember the circus in Wisconsin perhaps?).. and I'd institute direct voting instead of via the electoral college. That would pretty much clean up things.
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Nidifugous: (sorry) This is a funny thread, right?
How would I clean house? I'd repeal the law that gave rise to the lobbies in the first place and take money out of the game so far as possible (financial threshold to be admitted to debates etc) as it favors the super-rich, not the qualified. I'd eliminate the option to swap positions back and forth per session between being on the board of directors of multinationals and key legislative positions. I'd outlaw redistricting. (Anyone remember the circus in Wisconsin perhaps?).. and I'd institute direct voting instead of via the electoral college. That would pretty much clean up things.
How would I clean house? I'd repeal the law that gave rise to the lobbies in the first place and take money out of the game so far as possible (financial threshold to be admitted to debates etc) as it favors the super-rich, not the qualified. I'd eliminate the option to swap positions back and forth per session between being on the board of directors of multinationals and key legislative positions. I'd outlaw redistricting. (Anyone remember the circus in Wisconsin perhaps?).. and I'd institute direct voting instead of via the electoral college. That would pretty much clean up things.
I'll start with you since you are the only one who posted stateside,
have you written your congressional reps lately, have you personally talked to your reps,,, I like the electoral college it keeps the liberal homegrown commie subversives at bay, the only reason people dont like it is because they/you don't know what they are talking about. and are completely oblivious of history or the constitution....
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It won't happen.
It's not the banks, conspiracy theories, and politicians as much as it is the people.
We don't do enough to keep the criminals in check. Instead of recalling bad representatives, judges, lawyers, department heads.. etc. We complain, whine, get angry and point fingers.
We have the rights to remove any and all of them but with out enough unity, things will continue. Meanwhile, they pass more taxes, regulations, and cause more division. that is how they keep getting away with so much. I can say where my letters and petitions have gone that I've written and/or participated in; not far at all. I never realized how so many people can complain so much but no time to bother using what's available to help towards fixing it.
Colorado, to date so far, is the only state that has used their rights to remove a politician since the marxist in chief gained the white house.
When proven that with enough support, the system works, it doesn't leave much room for conspiracy or complaint when there is no action.
If it were actually used more often, there would be less corruption and worry about what's going on. People would actually want the offices to help because anything less wouldn't be tolerated.
I point my finger at us, the people, for a lot of it.
It's not the banks, conspiracy theories, and politicians as much as it is the people.
We don't do enough to keep the criminals in check. Instead of recalling bad representatives, judges, lawyers, department heads.. etc. We complain, whine, get angry and point fingers.
We have the rights to remove any and all of them but with out enough unity, things will continue. Meanwhile, they pass more taxes, regulations, and cause more division. that is how they keep getting away with so much. I can say where my letters and petitions have gone that I've written and/or participated in; not far at all. I never realized how so many people can complain so much but no time to bother using what's available to help towards fixing it.
Colorado, to date so far, is the only state that has used their rights to remove a politician since the marxist in chief gained the white house.
When proven that with enough support, the system works, it doesn't leave much room for conspiracy or complaint when there is no action.
If it were actually used more often, there would be less corruption and worry about what's going on. People would actually want the offices to help because anything less wouldn't be tolerated.
I point my finger at us, the people, for a lot of it.
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crayons: I'll start with you since you are the only one who posted stateside,
have you written your congressional reps lately, have you personally talked to your reps,,, I like the electoral college it keeps the liberal homegrown commie subversives at bay, the only reason people dont like it is because they/you don't know what they are talking about. and are completely oblivious of history or the constitution....
have you written your congressional reps lately, have you personally talked to your reps,,, I like the electoral college it keeps the liberal homegrown commie subversives at bay, the only reason people dont like it is because they/you don't know what they are talking about. and are completely oblivious of history or the constitution....
You're assuming an awful lot about what I do and do not know.
My representative who I endorsed 100% back in New Jersey was or rather is a scientist. He was pro-technology, pro-stem cell research, pro-education, etc. He resigned his congressional seat about a year ago. He didn't say why officially, but everyone kinda knew what was up. The swimming pool got too dirty.
You can like the electoral college all you want. Back in the days before computers and technology, having a representative made sense. Today, given the misuse of power, election fraud, redistricting and other gimmicks, the electoral college no longer serves the purpose it once did. We now have the ability to vote directly. In fact, it's easier to vote directly and cut out a whole layer of incompetence.
If you still think of the world in terms of "liberal commies," then you're about 50 years behind the times.
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i've always been a clean freak...
got it from my mom...twice a year, before summer and holidays...
moving beds n furniture vacuming dust bunnies, cleaning ceiling fans
ya know a real top to bottom job...:roll eyes:
waaaaaaaay more productive than the house yer talkin bout cleaning...
get ready for billery...
got it from my mom...twice a year, before summer and holidays...
moving beds n furniture vacuming dust bunnies, cleaning ceiling fans
ya know a real top to bottom job...:roll eyes:
waaaaaaaay more productive than the house yer talkin bout cleaning...
get ready for billery...
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Draegoneer: It won't happen.
It's not the banks, conspiracy theories, and politicians as much as it is the people.
We don't do enough to keep the criminals in check. Instead of recalling bad representatives, judges, lawyers, department heads.. etc. We complain, whine, get angry and point fingers.
We have the rights to remove any and all of them but with out enough unity, things will continue. Meanwhile, they pass more taxes, regulations, and cause more division. that is how they keep getting away with so much. I can say where my letters and petitions have gone that I've written and/or participated in; not far at all. I never realized how so many people can complain so much but no time to bother using what's available to help towards fixing it.
Colorado, to date so far, is the only state that has used their rights to remove a politician since the marxist in chief gained the white house.
When proven that with enough support, the system works, it doesn't leave much room for conspiracy or complaint when there is no action.
If it were actually used more often, there would be less corruption and worry about what's going on. People would actually want the offices to help because anything less wouldn't be tolerated.
I point my finger at us, the people, for a lot of it.
It's not the banks, conspiracy theories, and politicians as much as it is the people.
We don't do enough to keep the criminals in check. Instead of recalling bad representatives, judges, lawyers, department heads.. etc. We complain, whine, get angry and point fingers.
We have the rights to remove any and all of them but with out enough unity, things will continue. Meanwhile, they pass more taxes, regulations, and cause more division. that is how they keep getting away with so much. I can say where my letters and petitions have gone that I've written and/or participated in; not far at all. I never realized how so many people can complain so much but no time to bother using what's available to help towards fixing it.
Colorado, to date so far, is the only state that has used their rights to remove a politician since the marxist in chief gained the white house.
When proven that with enough support, the system works, it doesn't leave much room for conspiracy or complaint when there is no action.
If it were actually used more often, there would be less corruption and worry about what's going on. People would actually want the offices to help because anything less wouldn't be tolerated.
I point my finger at us, the people, for a lot of it.
You know, I agree with you to a point. Yes, we are at fault, but letter writing accomplishes nothing. We are at a point in history where we conduct "money politics".
There's a docu out (I think I have it here in my video file) where a representative from up north, ethical man, wanted to join the debates. The committee progressively asked for evidence of more and more money. He produced the money with the help of his supporters until a few days before the national debates kicked off, they said: cough up 500K or you're out. He didn't have it, so he could not participate. What kind of crap is that?? The system isn't working when participation depends on how much money you can produce. Stands to reason that only those with enough money can support politicians and politicians pander to those with the big bucks.
The other issue is the media. Look at how well the propaganda machine is working.
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moxie46: There is alot of house cleaning to do - citizenship, borders, debt, economy, The Constitution, regulations, pollution, tax, welfare, infrastructure, foriegn affairs. Can Democrats and Republicans pull together to reach an ultimate goal without private interests or name calling? How would you clean house? What comprises would you be willing to make? Do we have a canidate that can unit the Dems and Reps ( work the isle)? If not, Why not? Your opinion please.
There is no house cleaning to do - there is no citizenship, borders, debt, economy, Constitution, regulations, pollution, tax, welfare, infrastructure, foriegn affairs, worth worrying about. There is only loyalty to CS. Long live CS!
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Nidifugous: You know, I agree with you to a point. Yes, we are at fault, but letter writing accomplishes nothing. We are at a point in history where we conduct "money politics".
There's a docu out (I think I have it here in my video file) where a representative from up north, ethical man, wanted to join the debates. The committee progressively asked for evidence of more and more money. He produced the money with the help of his supporters until a few days before the national debates kicked off, they said: cough up 500K or you're out. He didn't have it, so he could not participate. What kind of crap is that?? The system isn't working when participation depends on how much money you can produce. Stands to reason that only those with enough money can support politicians and politicians pander to those with the big bucks.
The other issue is the media. Look at how well the propaganda machine is working.
There's a docu out (I think I have it here in my video file) where a representative from up north, ethical man, wanted to join the debates. The committee progressively asked for evidence of more and more money. He produced the money with the help of his supporters until a few days before the national debates kicked off, they said: cough up 500K or you're out. He didn't have it, so he could not participate. What kind of crap is that?? The system isn't working when participation depends on how much money you can produce. Stands to reason that only those with enough money can support politicians and politicians pander to those with the big bucks.
The other issue is the media. Look at how well the propaganda machine is working.
The system is already in place. Petitions, like I stated trying above, only work with enough signatures and support before the next phase will even be examined or heard. Then you still have to have a legal contender wanting the position that the people in the district will support. Even committee members can be removed. I do take pride in the removal of a certain school board member in my area though. Minor accomplishment, compared to what we really need.
It can be harsh to get anything rolling in a decent direction when so many either don't care, or don't know what's available. Worse, is the fact that most solid foundations of the nation, have been eroded away. The division is at an all time high.
It is the division and eroded values, that works against us but in favor of them.
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Draegoneer: The system is already in place. Petitions, like I stated trying above, only work with enough signatures and support before the next phase will even be examined or heard. Then you still have to have a legal contender wanting the position that the people in the district will support. Even committee members can be removed. I do take pride in the removal of a certain school board member in my area though. Minor accomplishment, compared to what we really need.
It can be harsh to get anything rolling in a decent direction when so many either don't care, or don't know what's available. Worse, is the fact that most solid foundations of the nation, have been eroded away. The division is at an all time high.
It is the division and eroded values, that works against us but in favor of them.
It can be harsh to get anything rolling in a decent direction when so many either don't care, or don't know what's available. Worse, is the fact that most solid foundations of the nation, have been eroded away. The division is at an all time high.
It is the division and eroded values, that works against us but in favor of them.
You know, given the size of the country, the power of special interest and the fact that everyone has a price, I can only see change when we hit rock bottom and people start to revolt, literally.
Over the years, I've watched the odd congressional hearing on anything from CIA-bought "witnesses" for the Iraq war to doctors testifying that we've been given bad drugs and so on and what happened? The big goose egg, you know. We are allowed the odd citizen action to go through, so long as it doesn't rock the boat. A small amount of dissent is tolerated, but not too much. If you ever got too close to where the power structure was threatened, you'd be looking at your own flowers from the underside.
We have people swapping seats every few years between government and corporate boardrooms. Those are not school board administrators. I wish I could sit here and type that I agree or that positive change can happen through "democratic" means, but I honestly can't. (Rant over)
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crayons: I'll start with you since you are the only one who posted stateside,
have you written your congressional reps lately, have you personally talked to your reps,,, I like the electoral college it keeps the liberal homegrown commie subversives at bay, the only reason people dont like it is because they/you don't know what they are talking about. and are completely oblivious of history or the constitution....
have you written your congressional reps lately, have you personally talked to your reps,,, I like the electoral college it keeps the liberal homegrown commie subversives at bay, the only reason people dont like it is because they/you don't know what they are talking about. and are completely oblivious of history or the constitution....
Hey I'm curious crayon, and I'm sure others would be interested too..
When you write to your rep is it more effective to use misspelling, peppered with a few tut-tuts and ooglie-booglies in the sentence? And I'm especially interested how that all would work in person..
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bohemianjack: Hey I'm curious crayon, and I'm sure others would be interested too.. When you write to your rep is it more effective to use misspelling, peppered with a few tut-tuts and ooglie-booglies in the sentence? And I'm especially interested how that all would work in person..
stands to reason!
If you can't convince them,confuse them!
Doesn't take all that much either!
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bohemianjack: Hey I'm curious crayon, and I'm sure others would be interested too.. When you write to your rep is it more effective to use misspelling, peppered with a few tut-tuts and ooglie-booglies in the sentence? And I'm especially interested how that all would work in person..
when I go visit my reps who have A plus rating's with numbers USA
and they're 2 of the 25 who the rinos hate I do so at their home town office's and they listen cause they know me,
now there is another one who acts like john mccain and has to have a slew of body guards because he always tries to hoodwink everyone
I always play him off against the good guys, tellin him if he wont do what we ask should get someone else to do it? should I get so and so to do it? asked him one time if he had been talkin to john mccain again cuase he was voting like dingy harry... also asked him if he was getting money from soros.
or I'll ask over and over why do you give the muslim in chief everything he wants, now I call or write him asking why he supports illegal subversive south american communists, or why is the border patrol handing out diapers? Or I'll remind him he told us the borders would be secured 15 years ago and I'm still waitin.[did that in person} or we're ti~red of the drug cartels ridin up and down the road doin bass fart parades scarin all the old folks, I tell em the truth, but I speak it in good ole boy and try to make it fun/non threatening, ya get more done with honey than ya do with vinegar... know what ah mean? plus it's always good to get his aids laughin, and yeah I do say The Joker Tut and Boogie Man
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Pass a law, make anything more than two terms of any Federal Seat illegal. Pass a second law and give the appointment of Senators back to the State legislators.
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Ken_19: Pass a law, make anything more than two terms of any Federal Seat illegal. Pass a second law and give the appointment of Senators back to the State legislators.
thats right ken, them scalawags have made a career out of meeting with lobbyists and takin corporate money from the Chamber of Commerce,
their way of thinking is it's all about me, all about me, just want o be part o the NWO Te~am...
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I think America needs a strong Third Party or national organization for Independent voters. I'm against term limits. We already have a method of changing Congress every few years if we want to - it's called elections.
If a state feels their Representative to Congress is doing a good job, and they want to re-elect him for 24 years like Vermont has done with Bernie Sanders, I think that is their call, and other states shouldn't pass a law requiring them to settle for a pig in a poke.
The rules, regulations and procedures for writing and getting bills passed in Congress are complex. Having neophytes in there every couple years would add to the confusion, not improve the Congress. A better idea would be for individual citizens to pay more attention to what their Representatives are doing and get involved in recruiting a new one if the existing one isn't panning out.
If a state feels their Representative to Congress is doing a good job, and they want to re-elect him for 24 years like Vermont has done with Bernie Sanders, I think that is their call, and other states shouldn't pass a law requiring them to settle for a pig in a poke.
The rules, regulations and procedures for writing and getting bills passed in Congress are complex. Having neophytes in there every couple years would add to the confusion, not improve the Congress. A better idea would be for individual citizens to pay more attention to what their Representatives are doing and get involved in recruiting a new one if the existing one isn't panning out.
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