Donad Trump's "AMERICA FIRST" Foreign Policy Speech (513)
sophiasummer: I listened to his speech
He noted 5 things
"reign in North Korea"
"Not going to war - stops winning"
"weakened reservoirs,allies not paying"
"No respect, no leader from little cuba to shake hands"
"Israel a great friend"
I like the idea of America First, like Winstons'party New Zealand First, he has been a noted king maker, the way our politics work.
Yet I suppose he is like Winnie, says it how it is, yet will not gain power.
Great change is needed for your country but he needs to be honest in what he says, especially with past wars, that will not sit well.
I wish you well on your quest.
remember America will never be the Savior of the world, but it dam needs some one to look after YOU ALL.
In New Zealand we have the worst care here for many things, unemployment, elderly homeless, youth suicide,solo parents,drug use..no caring facilities, Children killed.
Its about the people, yet its also about the government that SEES.
May your new one who ever it is see that.
Love Soph
xx
He noted 5 things
"reign in North Korea"
"Not going to war - stops winning"
"weakened reservoirs,allies not paying"
"No respect, no leader from little cuba to shake hands"
"Israel a great friend"
I like the idea of America First, like Winstons'party New Zealand First, he has been a noted king maker, the way our politics work.
Yet I suppose he is like Winnie, says it how it is, yet will not gain power.
Great change is needed for your country but he needs to be honest in what he says, especially with past wars, that will not sit well.
I wish you well on your quest.
remember America will never be the Savior of the world, but it dam needs some one to look after YOU ALL.
In New Zealand we have the worst care here for many things, unemployment, elderly homeless, youth suicide,solo parents,drug use..no caring facilities, Children killed.
Its about the people, yet its also about the government that SEES.
May your new one who ever it is see that.
Love Soph
xx
Thank you my dear beautiful lady for sharing your sentiments. We can only hope for the better and it is no surprising for us that we are supporting Trump as he is the one that we believe can truly make it better.
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sophiasummer: Good
Nor shall this peace sleep with her: but as when
The bird of wonder dies, the maiden phoenix,
Her ashes new-create another heir,
As great in admiration as herself;
So shall she leave her blessedness to one,
When heaven shall call her from this cloud of darkness,
Who from the sacred ashes of her honour
Shall star-like rise, as great in fame as she was,
And so stand fix'd: peace, plenty, love, truth, terror,
That were the servants to this chosen infant.
Shall then be his, and like a vine grow to him:
Wherever the bright sun of heaven shall shine,
His honour and the greatness of his name
Shall be, and make new nations: he shall flourish,
And, like a mountain cedar, reach his branches
To all the plains about him: — our children's children
Shall see this, and bless heaven."
Nor shall this peace sleep with her: but as when
The bird of wonder dies, the maiden phoenix,
Her ashes new-create another heir,
As great in admiration as herself;
So shall she leave her blessedness to one,
When heaven shall call her from this cloud of darkness,
Who from the sacred ashes of her honour
Shall star-like rise, as great in fame as she was,
And so stand fix'd: peace, plenty, love, truth, terror,
That were the servants to this chosen infant.
Shall then be his, and like a vine grow to him:
Wherever the bright sun of heaven shall shine,
His honour and the greatness of his name
Shall be, and make new nations: he shall flourish,
And, like a mountain cedar, reach his branches
To all the plains about him: — our children's children
Shall see this, and bless heaven."
This is so beautiful Soph, did you publish it in the PC?
Thanks lovely lady..
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epirb: The war would have been fought from Canada , England was not in it on her own . There were plans for this . Germans made many mistakes , one thinking English and her early allies were a push over .
Well, define "allies" without the US. The main "allies," as the term is understood in the context of WWII, were the US, Great Britain, and Russia. The French republic-in-exile and the Polish republic-in-exile could also be considered part of the "allies," but really, it boiled down to these three. So, minus the US, your question comes down to "could Britain and the Soviet Union have prevailed over the Germans in WWII?" A better way, I think, to ask the question, then, is "Could Germany have been defeated in WWII without the Americans?"
And the answer is YES, the Germans could have been defeated in Europe without American help.
There is another question in WWII - that of the Pacific front and the Japanese. I think it is elementary to conclude that it was the Americans who defeated the Japanese and thereby ended the Japanese occupation of east Asia and southeast Asia. I don't think there is any doubt about that. Britain had been conclusively defeated, and Japan was knocking on India's door. Had Midway not happened, I think the Japanese could have well taken over all of Asia.
Ref Wiki.
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lindsyjones: Of course, all we are doing are speculations at this time, but the truth of the matter is without the US, there was no way that the war is won.
Confirmation of the acceptance of England on the victory role of the US, England had been paying us and I think that is the gist of Mike's first post.
Below is from the History.net.
With America’s entry into the war, the eventual invasion of the Continent and subsequent end to the war in Europe became a much greater possibility. Ever hopeful of America’s eventual involvement, Churchill had already been clarifying for himself and his anticipated partners how Allied strategy must work over time to build toward the right moment to invade. With the Americans now fully committed, those strategic plans began to develop more rapidly.
Confirmation of the acceptance of England on the victory role of the US, England had been paying us and I think that is the gist of Mike's first post.
Below is from the History.net.
With America’s entry into the war, the eventual invasion of the Continent and subsequent end to the war in Europe became a much greater possibility. Ever hopeful of America’s eventual involvement, Churchill had already been clarifying for himself and his anticipated partners how Allied strategy must work over time to build toward the right moment to invade. With the Americans now fully committed, those strategic plans began to develop more rapidly.
Of course I have no axe to grind with the Americans who are more closely related to my people than yours.
I's my opinion and that of many people more qualified than your self.
JMO.
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tomcatwarne: Of course I have no axe to grind with the Americans who are more closely related to my people than yours.
I's my opinion and that of many people more qualified than your self.
JMO.
I's my opinion and that of many people more qualified than your self.
JMO.
You might be right from your own point of view. I don't forget of the fact that the English (Washington) who hated the rule of England that changed our system to be away and rid of whatever that is English. Now I am not comparing my people to yours, there is no paradigm, but the truth is the strategic location of my birth country made it so useful and valuable for the US to have ruled us and would have become the 50th state, if that is not enough relevance to our contribution then that is your opinion.
This is not a contest of who is who when it comes to relationship of the US and the world. It is what has been done relative to what we are now, as Americans, and where my country is going. Unfortunately, there is a big disenfranchise between my country and yours. Imagine that.
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lindsyjones: You might be right from your own point of view. I don't forget of the fact that the English (Washington) who hated the rule of England that changed our system to be away and rid of whatever that is English. Now I am not comparing my people to yours, there is no paradigm, but the truth is the strategic location of my birth country made it so useful and valuable for the US to have ruled us and would have become the 50th state, if that is not enough relevance to our contribution then that is your opinion.
This is not a contest of who is who when it comes to relationship of the US and the world. It is what has been done relative to what we are now, as Americans, and where my country is going. Unfortunately, there is a big disenfranchise between my country and yours. Imagine that.
This is not a contest of who is who when it comes to relationship of the US and the world. It is what has been done relative to what we are now, as Americans, and where my country is going. Unfortunately, there is a big disenfranchise between my country and yours. Imagine that.
Funny as it is, but I believe, the US doesn't need your country as much as you need us. Just saying..
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Thanks as usual John.. I will book mark this one..
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sophiasummer: Good
Nor shall this peace sleep with her: but as when
The bird of wonder dies, the maiden phoenix,
Her ashes new-create another heir,
As great in admiration as herself;
So shall she leave her blessedness to one,
When heaven shall call her from this cloud of darkness,
Who from the sacred ashes of her honour
Shall star-like rise, as great in fame as she was,
And so stand fix'd: peace, plenty, love, truth, terror,
That were the servants to this chosen infant.
Shall then be his, and like a vine grow to him:
Wherever the bright sun of heaven shall shine,
His honour and the greatness of his name
Shall be, and make new nations: he shall flourish,
And, like a mountain cedar, reach his branches
To all the plains about him: — our children's children
Shall see this, and bless heaven."
Nor shall this peace sleep with her: but as when
The bird of wonder dies, the maiden phoenix,
Her ashes new-create another heir,
As great in admiration as herself;
So shall she leave her blessedness to one,
When heaven shall call her from this cloud of darkness,
Who from the sacred ashes of her honour
Shall star-like rise, as great in fame as she was,
And so stand fix'd: peace, plenty, love, truth, terror,
That were the servants to this chosen infant.
Shall then be his, and like a vine grow to him:
Wherever the bright sun of heaven shall shine,
His honour and the greatness of his name
Shall be, and make new nations: he shall flourish,
And, like a mountain cedar, reach his branches
To all the plains about him: — our children's children
Shall see this, and bless heaven."
Nice thoughts
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Mr Trump is the man!!!
More and more of those who once were anti-Trump seem to be realizing that he has the ideas, the commitment, the dedication that will serve this country to the best of it's present needs! There is no doubt that this country should get it's head out of the sand and face facts...we need a leader that recognizes the problems and intends to do something to solve them!
More and more of those who once were anti-Trump seem to be realizing that he has the ideas, the commitment, the dedication that will serve this country to the best of it's present needs! There is no doubt that this country should get it's head out of the sand and face facts...we need a leader that recognizes the problems and intends to do something to solve them!------ This thread is Archived ------
avias: Mr Trump is the man!!! More and more of those who once were anti-Trump seem to be realizing that he has the ideas, the commitment, the dedication that will serve this country to the best of it's present needs! There is no doubt that this country should get it's head out of the sand and face facts...we need a leader that recognizes the problems and intends to do something to solve them!
H, it is not coincidence and or accident that his strength of getting way up beyond anyone's reach in favorable polls is because of what we, the supporters feel as in line with his plans and what he intends to do.
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lindsyjones: H, it is not coincidence and or accident that his strength of getting way up beyond anyone's reach in favorable polls is because of what we, the supporters feel as in line with his plans and what he intends to do.
Donald Trump’s Budget Plan Is Pure Fantasy.
He would reduce federal tax revenue by $9.5 trillion over the next 10 years. That's a 45 percent reduction in projected revenues.
So besides EPA and education, the departments of state, transportation, energy, commerce, treasury, justice, housing and urban development, and interior would all be on the chopping block. Cut them all entirely and Trump would still fall short. (There are some departments, like homeland security and health and human services, that Trump couldn't eliminate without violating other promises, like enhanced border security and replacing Obamacare.)
Without those departments, the US would no longer print money, maintain embassies abroad, negotiate with foreign nations, investigate and prosecute federal crimes, or maintain highway and transit systems, to name just a few things. Enormous segments of the federal government would cease to function or even exist. The US would verge on becoming a failed state. It's almost too absurd to contemplate — except that the man proposing it stands a very good chance of becoming the next Republican nominee for president.
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purr4mance: Donald Trump’s Budget Plan Is Pure Fantasy.He would reduce federal tax revenue by $9.5 trillion over the next 10 years. That's a 45 percent reduction in projected revenues.
So besides EPA and education, the departments of state, transportation, energy, commerce, treasury, justice, housing and urban development, and interior would all be on the chopping block. Cut them all entirely and Trump would still fall short. (There are some departments, like homeland security and health and human services, that Trump couldn't eliminate without violating other promises, like enhanced border security and replacing Obamacare.)Without those departments, the US would no longer print money, maintain embassies abroad, negotiate with foreign nations, investigate and prosecute federal crimes, or maintain highway and transit systems, to name just a few things. Enormous segments of the federal government would cease to function or even exist. The US would verge on becoming a failed state. It's almost too absurd to contemplate — except that the man proposing it stands a very good chance of becoming the next Republican nominee for president.
So besides EPA and education, the departments of state, transportation, energy, commerce, treasury, justice, housing and urban development, and interior would all be on the chopping block. Cut them all entirely and Trump would still fall short. (There are some departments, like homeland security and health and human services, that Trump couldn't eliminate without violating other promises, like enhanced border security and replacing Obamacare.)Without those departments, the US would no longer print money, maintain embassies abroad, negotiate with foreign nations, investigate and prosecute federal crimes, or maintain highway and transit systems, to name just a few things. Enormous segments of the federal government would cease to function or even exist. The US would verge on becoming a failed state. It's almost too absurd to contemplate — except that the man proposing it stands a very good chance of becoming the next Republican nominee for president.
Hey, purr. Let's plan to meet outside the republican convention. I'll carry my "America First" poster and you can carry your 'Wanted by FBI' poster.
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galrads: Hey, purr. Let's plan to meet outside the republican convention. I'll carry my "America First" poster and you can carry your 'Wanted by FBI' poster.
Chris, I do love your sense of humor and I do feel the relieving feeling of lightening up. After all, it looks like what we say on here doesn't really matter.
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galrads: Hey, purr. Let's plan to meet outside the republican convention. I'll carry my "America First" poster and you can carry your 'Wanted by FBI' poster.
this is for you. see you in cleveland...
The Big Steal from Donald J. Trump is on- and only you can stop it.
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.
That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.
We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength.
We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.
That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?
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this is for you. see you in cleveland...The Big Steal from Donald J. Trump is on- and only you can stop it.
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.
We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength. We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.
That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?
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You must campaign good because it looks like it's going to be quite a show.
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.
We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength. We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.
That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?
[/quote::sleep:
You must campaign good because it looks like it's going to be quite a show.
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this is for you. see you in cleveland...The Big Steal from Donald J. Trump is on- and only you can stop it.
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.
We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength. We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.
That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?
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You must campaign good because it looks like it's going to be quite a show.
it's not for me.
it is for galrads... (get your signs together).
and the group appears peaceful enough for now.
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.
We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength. We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.
That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?
[/quote::sleep:
You must campaign good because it looks like it's going to be quite a show.
it's not for me.
it is for galrads... (get your signs together).
and the group appears peaceful enough for now.
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purr4mance: this is for you. see you in cleveland...The Big Steal from Donald J. Trump is on- and only you can stop it.
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.
We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength. We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.
That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?
[/quote::sleep:
You must campaign good because it looks like it's going to be quite a show.it's not for me.
it is for galrads... (get your signs together).
and the group appears peaceful enough for now.
The Bush-Cruz-Rubio-Romney-Ryan-McConnell faction has united and is moving into high gear to steal the nomination from Trump. The immediate plan is an all-out bid to deprive Donald Trump of victory – and to steal the delegates to defeat him.That’s why we have called for a STOP THE STEAL MARCH ON CLEVELAND- July 18 to 21- four days of non-violent demonstrations, protests and lobbying delegates face to face. We must send the GOP a clear signal thru our sheer numbers that we will not vote Republican nor work for the ticket if Donald Trump is robbed. The insiders plan to totally ignore the will of the voters and use legal trickery and bribery to try to steal. Incredibly bribing delegates for their votes is NOT illegal.
We plan the biggest Rally in Cleveland history. We must own the streets. In numbers there is strength. We need YOU to come to Cleveland and make your voice heard. Even if you can’t come to Cleveland you can help this vital effort. I’ll explain in a minute.
That why we must bring thousands of Trump partisans to Cleveland. We must express our rage over the hijacking of democracy. We must dominate Cleveland. Will you help us?
[/quote::sleep:
You must campaign good because it looks like it's going to be quite a show.it's not for me.
it is for galrads... (get your signs together).
and the group appears peaceful enough for now.
Oh my bad. It is for me, too, then.
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lindsyjones: Oh my bad. It is for me, too, then.
sure is.
you and galrads together can march for 4 days.
but you two best get a hotel room. they are filling up very fast.
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