Should the United Nations be disbanded? Has it become discoloured (182)
Capricorn143: I know, but grabbing the land that had not been of any interest to the Palestinians before cannot be compared to other atrocities committed by the other side or the other countries in that region - and yet the UN does not care. I do not condone taking that land, but let's admit that what the Israelis have done with that land is remarkable. In my opinion it just shows what can be done there but the Palestinians have never been interested in improving their lives, I guess it is easier to live off of donations, especially when the donors are stupid enough not to demand any concrete results.
True, we do not agree on what the problem is
As for the positive effect of the resolution - I am skeptical about that, I agree with Rizla that the resolution will be seen by Hamas, Hezbolla or whatever militants there are as carte blanche in their efforts to inflict as much damage as possible to Isreal.
True, we do not agree on what the problem is
As for the positive effect of the resolution - I am skeptical about that, I agree with Rizla that the resolution will be seen by Hamas, Hezbolla or whatever militants there are as carte blanche in their efforts to inflict as much damage as possible to Isreal.
"""Grabbing the land that had not been of any interest to the Palestinians before"""
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Aragorn11: I have no interest what the Israelis have done with the land to be honest.
Forcing people from their homes and claiming it as Israel's should have nothing to do with what people do with the land.
If that's the case the Irish should lay claim to all the rivers in the world because we can turn it into Guinness
You won't be surprised to hear that I disagree. I believe the vast majority of Palestinian people want to live on their own land, in peace, and I have seen many many Palestinian people profess this, even though you state they do not want to improve their own lives. That would be an improvement on the conditions Israel makes them live in now, on their own land.
I understand what you are saying re the militants, but there won't be a resolution to this unless there is engagement from both sides, and a will to resolve this. Lashing out at the world, like Netanyahu has done, over being held to account for his and his countries crimes, is not a precursor to reflection, lasting peace nor taking responsibility for one's actions.
By the same token, if this resolution is disregarded by Israel, and they continue to illegally create settlements, and the International Community let them, I would find it hard to blame someone for striking back tbh.
What Israel are doing to the Palestinian people is wrong, the International community have called them on it, and a lot will depend now on Israel's next move. Hopefully they will take it on board. If not, the UN need to enforce because if they don't it will only lead to a lot more bloodshed imo.
Forcing people from their homes and claiming it as Israel's should have nothing to do with what people do with the land.
If that's the case the Irish should lay claim to all the rivers in the world because we can turn it into Guinness
You won't be surprised to hear that I disagree. I believe the vast majority of Palestinian people want to live on their own land, in peace, and I have seen many many Palestinian people profess this, even though you state they do not want to improve their own lives. That would be an improvement on the conditions Israel makes them live in now, on their own land.
I understand what you are saying re the militants, but there won't be a resolution to this unless there is engagement from both sides, and a will to resolve this. Lashing out at the world, like Netanyahu has done, over being held to account for his and his countries crimes, is not a precursor to reflection, lasting peace nor taking responsibility for one's actions.
By the same token, if this resolution is disregarded by Israel, and they continue to illegally create settlements, and the International Community let them, I would find it hard to blame someone for striking back tbh.
What Israel are doing to the Palestinian people is wrong, the International community have called them on it, and a lot will depend now on Israel's next move. Hopefully they will take it on board. If not, the UN need to enforce because if they don't it will only lead to a lot more bloodshed imo.
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this is interesting part one and two. lengthy read.
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chris27292729: """Grabbing the land that had not been of any interest to the Palestinians before"""
Hey Chris, did you read that sentence till the end?
My point was:
- the land was just sitting there
- someone (the hardworking Jews) turned it into a fertile piece of earth
that cannot be equal to almost eradicating e.g. Christians from the ME that the arabs have done, can it?
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crayons: i'd have more respect if she would worry about the criminals from her own country, that many times spill over into ours,..... and dont get me started on the mexican Hezbollah' money launderers, global bankster money launderers, the Lebanese, and the al'cia'da/ ISIS camps south of our border.los zetas, sinaloans, drug and human trafficking/murder for hire cartels, on and on and on etc.
this just from the last few days, it never ends with these people. it's like a mexican civil war. that is sanctioned
by globalist puppet euromexis and global puppet american neocons
this just from the last few days, it never ends with these people. it's like a mexican civil war. that is sanctioned
by globalist puppet euromexis and global puppet american neocons
Your "breitbar" respect?
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Aragorn11: What Israel are doing to the Palestinian people is wrong, the International community have called them on it, and a lot will depend now on Israel's next move. Hopefully they will take it on board. If not, the UN need to enforce because if they don't it will only lead to a lot more bloodshed imo.
Peaceful Palestinians living in Israel are better off than if they were living anywhere else in that region.
I also think that 2 state solution is the only one, but it will not happen not because of the settlements, but because of the Palestinians that deny the Jews the right to live there as a nation.
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lifeisadream: Your "breitbar" respect?
you really stuck your foot in your mouth this time...
Andrew Breitbart was Jewish, and so are 90% of the people that work there...
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crayons: you really stuck your foot in your mouth this time...
Andrew Breitbart was Jewish, and so are 90% of the people that work there...
Andrew Breitbart was Jewish, and so are 90% of the people that work there...
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Capricorn143: Peaceful Palestinians living in Israel are better off than if they were living anywhere else in that region.
I also think that 2 state solution is the only one, but it will not happen not because of the settlements, but because of the Palestinians that deny the Jews the right to live there as a nation.
I also think that 2 state solution is the only one, but it will not happen not because of the settlements, but because of the Palestinians that deny the Jews the right to live there as a nation.
One thing you do not want to understand is this.
Once again,Jews start abandoned their Palestine land, from 2000 years ago.and after the WW1 were the
vast minority in Palestine.They promised land in Palestine when the British had the Mandate on Palestine.
It is like the Turks who they came from central Asia and have settled in modern day Turkey..-
If some Turks decide to go back,from where originated from, Do they have the right to claim back
the land owned by their predecessors 2000 years ago????
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Capricorn143: Hey Chris, did you read that sentence till the end?
My point was:
- the land was just sitting there
- someone (the hardworking Jews) turned it into a fertile piece of earth
that cannot be equal to almost eradicating e.g. Christians from the ME that the arabs have done, can it?
My point was:
- the land was just sitting there
- someone (the hardworking Jews) turned it into a fertile piece of earth
that cannot be equal to almost eradicating e.g. Christians from the ME that the arabs have done, can it?
The land which ""was just sitting there""did not belong to the Jews??? They had abandoned their
land gradually starting from 2000 years ago.
The land belonged to Palestinians.
The race conflict taking place in the ME is the results of resettling back the Jews,in land abandoned by them
centuries ago.-
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lifeisadream: Your "breitbar" respect?
you still refuse to see facts, stirring the pot or worse.
this link is from the ADL's own website where liberal media
like CNN and Univision get their reports from, if it were not for
the disclaimer and the link to this site they would have been
sued when it was written...http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/14/stephen-k-bannon-friend-jewish-people-defender-israel/
as it turns out Major media
companies like WAPO, CNN and Fakebook are all getting sued
by Breitbart, Gerald Celente, and Alex Jones, for dissemination of fake news
and character assassination.
the last time Alex Jones sued the media, the law firm who handled
the case for the liberal media was Disbarred, Meaning the Media Lawyers Lost their
License to ever practice law again.
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crayons: you still refuse to see facts, stirring the pot or worse.
this link is from the ADL's own website where liberal media
like CNN and Univision get their reports from, if it were not for
the disclaimer and the link to this site they would have been
sued when it was written...http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/14/stephen-k-bannon-friend-jewish-people-defender-israel/
as it turns out Major media
companies like WAPO, CNN and Fakebook are all getting sued
by Breitbart, Gerald Celente, and Alex Jones, for dissemination of fake news
and character assassination.
the last time Alex Jones sued the media, the law firm who handled
the case for the liberal media was Disbarred, Meaning the Media Lawyers Lost their
License to ever practice law again.
this link is from the ADL's own website where liberal media
like CNN and Univision get their reports from, if it were not for
the disclaimer and the link to this site they would have been
sued when it was written...http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/14/stephen-k-bannon-friend-jewish-people-defender-israel/
as it turns out Major media
companies like WAPO, CNN and Fakebook are all getting sued
by Breitbart, Gerald Celente, and Alex Jones, for dissemination of fake news
and character assassination.
the last time Alex Jones sued the media, the law firm who handled
the case for the liberal media was Disbarred, Meaning the Media Lawyers Lost their
License to ever practice law again.
I do not give a peanut to any of those media being leftist or rightist, I do not watch them (when would you get it, yes ,I know, never )
To me, Jones (any like in CS
) can sue the media anytime they wish to.Here you have Israel violations to UN resolutions ...but USA was backing them up.....
Perhaps your Trumpy will back Israel up, soon.
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lifeisadream: Your posts?
I will post whatever I wish to.
I will post whatever I wish to.
yes ma~am...you attached your anti semite swastika filled cartoons
to my posts twice on two threads using my quotes..i've already told you i'd have more respect
for you if you would worry about your own criminal back yard...You seem
more worried that we are fighting and arresting your violent criminals than wanting to
deal with them yourself with the help of your fellow citizens...
dont you have a voice in your own government?
don't you vote? dont you want to clean up your own mess?
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crayons: yes ma~am...you attached your anti semite swastika filled cartoons
to my posts twice on two threads using my quotes..i've already told you i'd have more respect
for you if you would worry about your own criminal back yard...
You seem
more worried that we are fighting and arresting your violent criminals than wanting to
deal with them yourself with the help of your fellow citizens...
If you and your powerful country can not stop those criminals, how could I?
dont you have a voice in your own government?
don't you vote? dont you want to clean up your own mess?
clean my own mess? I have not made any mess and the mess criminals do that is not my responsibility to clean it.
to my posts twice on two threads using my quotes..i've already told you i'd have more respect
for you if you would worry about your own criminal back yard...
You seem
more worried that we are fighting and arresting your violent criminals than wanting to
deal with them yourself with the help of your fellow citizens...
If you and your powerful country can not stop those criminals, how could I?
dont you have a voice in your own government?
don't you vote? dont you want to clean up your own mess?
clean my own mess? I have not made any mess and the mess criminals do that is not my responsibility to clean it.
"we are fighting and arresting your violent criminals"
my violent criminals?
If because I am Mexican, do I own all Mexican criminals?
Keep arresting those violent criminals ...from your sofa
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chris27292729: The land which ""was just sitting there""did not belong to the Jews??? They had abandoned their
land gradually starting from 2000 years ago.
The land belonged to Palestinians.
The race conflict taking place in the ME is the results of resettling back the Jews,in land abandoned by them
centuries ago.-
land gradually starting from 2000 years ago.
The land belonged to Palestinians.
The race conflict taking place in the ME is the results of resettling back the Jews,in land abandoned by them
centuries ago.-
We are running in circles now obviously disagreeing on the history of the region and the cause of this last resolution.
I stand by what I said before completely convinced that:
- Isreal as a Jewish state has every right to exist where it is and no Palestinians/Arabs can question their legitimacy.
- the UN had better concentrate and pass at least a resolution or two condemning blatant human rights violations, eradication of other religious/ethnic groups etc. committed in other countries in ME in North Africa. This could then be seen as an attempt of showing the UN is not biased.
- the West should stop funding the Palestinians until they recognize the right of Isreal to exist and renounce their wow to annihilate Jews.
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Capricorn143: We are running in circles now obviously disagreeing on the history of the region and the cause of this last resolution.
I stand by what I said before completely convinced that:
- Isreal as a Jewish state has every right to exist where it is and no Palestinians/Arabs can question their legitimacy.
- the UN had better concentrate and pass at least a resolution or two condemning blatant human rights violations, eradication of other religious/ethnic groups etc. committed in other countries in ME in North Africa. This could then be seen as an attempt of showing the UN is not biased.
- the West should stop funding the Palestinians until they recognize the right of Isreal to exist and renounce their wow to annihilate Jews.
I stand by what I said before completely convinced that:
- Isreal as a Jewish state has every right to exist where it is and no Palestinians/Arabs can question their legitimacy.
- the UN had better concentrate and pass at least a resolution or two condemning blatant human rights violations, eradication of other religious/ethnic groups etc. committed in other countries in ME in North Africa. This could then be seen as an attempt of showing the UN is not biased.
- the West should stop funding the Palestinians until they recognize the right of Isreal to exist and renounce their wow to annihilate Jews.
In general the WEST now days,tolerate the present of Israel, as most countries in the WEST ,have second thoughts, voting for the creation of Israel,back in 1947.
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I have recently thought that the UN is creating its own propagada of a celebrity stream.
They have delivered nothing yet the spoils of faces.
I am appalled.
They have delivered nothing yet the spoils of faces.
I am appalled.
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sophiasummer: I have recently thought that the UN is creating its own propagada of a celebrity stream.
They have delivered nothing yet the spoils of faces.
I am appalled.
agree,They have delivered nothing yet the spoils of faces.
I am appalled.
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rizlared: I used to firmly believe that the UN was a good and just organisation, but in the last 12 months, more and more biased and unfair resolutions have been put forward by so-called UN experts, ideas that in the real world have little to do with the original purpose of the UN.
The goals of the United Nations are:
to keep world peace
to help countries get along
to improve living conditions for people all over the world
and to make the world a better place
To use lies and half truths as a means to take sides, is totally against the original premise.
I vote it should go, as no longer "fit for purpose".
What say you?
youThe goals of the United Nations are:
to keep world peace
to help countries get along
to improve living conditions for people all over the world
and to make the world a better place
To use lies and half truths as a means to take sides, is totally against the original premise.
I vote it should go, as no longer "fit for purpose".
What say you?
I believe that there is one outstanding interest/concern that the U.S.A. has for not wanting the UN eradicated. This interest/concern is: the USA, instead of only contributing ~25% of the UN expenses, would have to spend far more money than it does now. to help other nations.
The United Nations is a institution of multilateralism. It provides a forum where sovereign states can come together to share burdens, address common problems, and seize common opportunities. Take this a multilateral away and U.S. will pay an even greater disproportion amount helping others unilaterally and the USA would also appear to me more militaristic too.
I say: you make your bed, lie in it.
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The real problem ?
I think you and I think differently on what the real problem is. For me, there is a lot more evil, greed, and fanatacism in the world than muslim terrorists or Islam.
For me, if this resolution helps bring about a 2 state compromise, it would greatly help an area that is extremely volatile and help the Palestinian people exist in peace.