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Jan 16, 2017 9:22 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
SistaCallie
SistaCallieSistaCalliePokemon, Texas USA139 Threads 1 Polls 795 Posts
Trump Hints At Obamacare Replacement That Would Look Nothing Like What Republicans Have In Mind... Maybe he’s channeling Bernie Sanders. Or maybe he has no idea what he’s saying.
01/16/2017 09:57 am ET | Updated 11 hours ago
Jonathan Cohn


President-elect Donald Trump says he’s putting the finishing touches on his plan to replace Obamacare.

It sounds absolutely terrific, like the best health plan ever!

It also sounds wildly out of step with what Republicans in Congress, or even some of Trump’s own advisers, have said they would like to do.

Trump’s comments, which he made in an interview with The Washington Post that appeared Sunday, could mean he’s gone rogue and decided that, at least on health care policy, he has more in common with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) than House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.).

Or they could mean that, in reaction to public anxiety and recent protests over the possibility of more than 20 million people losing insurance, Trump is already misleading people about what he and his Republicans are planning to do.

Or Trump’s statements could mean that he has no idea what he’s talking about.

Speaking to the Post’s Robert Costa, Trump said his new health care plan would mean “insurance for everybody” with “much lower deductibles.”

Also, Trump said, he will call for the government to negotiate with pharmaceutical companies directly, forcing them to lower their prices.

“They’re politically protected but not anymore,” Trump said of the drug industry.

Trump didn’t offer more details about what he has in mind, or give a precise date for when his plan would be ready for the public to see. But, he said, “It’s very much formulated down to the final strokes. We haven’t put it in quite yet but we’re going to be doing it soon.”


Trump added that he would probably wait until his nominee for secretary of health and human services, Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), has gone through the confirmation process and taken office. The Senate Finance Committee, which has jurisdiction over Price’s appointment, has not yet scheduled a hearing.

Making sense of Trump’s comments on policy is never easy, and in this case the comments are more confusing than usual.

Providing everybody with health insurance and protecting them from excessive medical costs has been a longtime goal of the Democratic Party, going back to the 1940s. Those efforts eventually led to the Affordable Care Act, which has brought the number of Americans without coverage to a record low, improving access to health care and reducing financial insecurity.

Obamacare has its trade-offs. The coverage that many consumers have obtained through the program includes high deductibles or other forms of out-of-pocket spending, fueling the political backlash against it. Primarily that’s because the law’s new requirements on insurance, such as guaranteeing coverage of pre-existing conditions, made insurance more expensive ? and the law’s financial assistance phases out with higher incomes.

It’s a problem that even many of the law’s supporters have said they want to fix. Both Obama and 2016 Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton proposed offering consumers more assistance with out-of-pocket costs and using government leverage to bring down drug prices.

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Jan 17, 2017 3:38 AM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
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Jan 18, 2017 4:09 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
BuddyLegend
BuddyLegendBuddyLegendManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK97 Posts
The entire continent of Europe marvels at how you pay what you do for such rubbish service.
If Americans could get over themselves they would be able to extend healthcare coverage all the way to Peru - not suggesting Trump would ever do that - for that money and perhaps the good works of the autocrat is that he will steamroll over you.
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Jan 18, 2017 4:24 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
BuddyLegend: The entire continent of Europe marvels at how you pay what you do for such rubbish service.
If Americans could get over themselves they would be able to extend healthcare coverage all the way to Peru - not suggesting Trump would ever do that - for that money and perhaps the good works of the autocrat is that he will steamroll over you.



The entire continent of Europe? Does that include eastern, central and Western Europe? wave
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Jan 18, 2017 4:45 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
If Congress repeals Obama Care they should also repeal their own health plans. professor
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Jan 19, 2017 6:19 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
pedalguy59
pedalguy59pedalguy59Burlington, Ontario Canada28 Threads 1 Polls 6,976 Posts
A question I have is: Will the poor, and the working poor have access to healthcare under the new administration?
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Jan 19, 2017 6:24 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
I doubt no matter what that the poor and working poor will see no difference.

There will be some who will fall through the cracks.
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Jan 21, 2017 11:31 AM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
SistaCallie
SistaCallieSistaCalliePokemon, Texas USA139 Threads 1 Polls 795 Posts
pedalguy59: A question I have is: Will the poor, and the working poor have access to healthcare under the new administration?

Good question Pedals, maybe one of Trump's supporters can explain how all this works especially I know Crayon can explain.
How the repeal of Obamacare will work in regards to which parts were signed in by Trump executive order on the day of his inauguration for the repeal to get started.. so how will this all fits in with new healthcare insurance on the job since Crayon owns his own business he should be able to explain this real plan if he has employees since he's for Trump getting rid of all of it.... plus, social security and medicare is taken out of employees' pay checks.

What about social security, medicare taken out of employee's pay, and for insurance, Also, if Obamacare is completely repealed, and social security and medicare and medicaid are cut back, changed, and/or done away with completely or to any certain degrees... what happens to those who will soon retire or should get ill before age 65, and have no income to pay for the healthcare benefits...insurance premiums will be too high for most, so how will they get healthcare paid for if there are no government healthcare benefits that have been paid into?

Sorry, Pedals, I forgot Trump said his new plan will provide healthcare plan everybody will have good healthcare! But he never said who will pay for it or how it will be paid for...doh laugh
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Jan 21, 2017 11:35 AM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
I do know that Trump did sign something in regards to Obamacare and housing.
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Jan 21, 2017 11:39 AM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
Len05
Len05Len05Antwerp, Antwerpen Belgium33 Threads 11 Polls 972 Posts
i have health care in my country.
cost the working about 15 percent of gross income.
also cost the retired civil servants about that much. (they also get a bit more)

the bill pays also the unemployment fees and most retirement money...

I'm not saying the system is bad or good. there are huge flaws.
but if you're sick, belgium is a great place to be it.
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Jan 21, 2017 12:13 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
Capricorn143
Capricorn143Capricorn143The Best, Jugovzhodna Slovenia1 Threads 1,115 Posts
Len05: i have health care in my country.
cost the working about 15 percent of gross income.
also cost the retired civil servants about that much. (they also get a bit more)

the bill pays also the unemployment fees and most retirement money...

I'm not saying the system is bad or good. there are huge flaws.
but if you're sick, belgium is a great place to be it.


Really? I have heard you actually need to have the money first to pay for a doctor and then you are reimbursed. If there is a more expensive service you need, what happens if you do not have that kind of money?
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Jan 21, 2017 12:35 PM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
pedalguy59: A question I have is: Will the poor, and the working poor have access to healthcare under the new administration?


Yes Meidcaid and Medicare and Social Security Disability still exist, Obamacare is called the UNaffordable Care Act by many here. I have more of my own thoughts....but anyway I am glad to see it reformed. One FACT is that an ACA monthly insurance premium for me is FOUR times the cost of my private insurance....take THAT to the bank lol
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Jan 22, 2017 6:15 AM CST Obamacare vs. Insurance for Everyone!
Len05
Len05Len05Antwerp, Antwerpen Belgium33 Threads 11 Polls 972 Posts
Capricorn143: Really? I have heard you actually need to have the money first to pay for a doctor and then you are reimbursed. If there is a more expensive service you need, what happens if you do not have that kind of money?

that makes it more complicated.
okay a general practitioners visit will be 25 euro in advance, get about 18 euro back (can be next day).
My daughter is 2 euro to visit him.

All surgery, give birth and such are paid one year later. going to emergency is about 45 euro to enter in case you don't have ID.
But they'll treat a bleeding drunk without id or anything without thinking about cash.

I never said we had free health care. we have affordable health care. and general.
no urgent need to take extra insurances. All pay about the same at the doctor, rich or poor.
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