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May 8, 2018 1:03 AM CST What is the right formula!
pKrema
pKremapKremaAt home, Shumen Bulgaria6 Threads 4,707 Posts
Feel more and talk less...
Allowing each other to get to a deeply intimate level leaves all the unnecessary talks aside...
Presuming and analysing everything leads to disaster...
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May 8, 2018 8:50 AM CST What is the right formula!
Wanting2Care
Wanting2CareWanting2CareActon, California USA5 Posts
Rachie14: I am not assuming anything. My example I gave was on the basis that men and women communicate very differently.

The issue is that men just want A-B version and women want to express themselves fully. Which is why I said we need to meet in the middle. At M.

The thing being is this, I get it. I get when we're upset or pissed off you want the brief version. So to get to the resolution ASAP. The thing is we need to get it all out.

When emotionally charged people react in different ways. Examples of this are look I just need to get my thoughts together before responding. I am off to my man/woman cave or look clearly you're upset by this. I need to go to my man/woman cave so you can calm down and we can talk about this later.

Both say hurtful things be it male or female due to an emotional reaction. But we all have to learn that just because someone goes I can't talk about this right now. That it isn't I don't want too. It isn't pushing you away or the other to be forgotten. It is so the person can collect their thoughts and not say hurtful things.

Both men and women each have their way of communicating is what I am saying. You stated about communication in your previous post. I was addressing this by using an example. This has nothing to do with my past. It's about communication. How to effectively. But I also brought up this, you state you believe we do not communicate effectively. I am saying to communicate effectively, both have to meet in the middle. Rather than believing your way or their way is RIGHT.
I'm not accusing you of making assumptions. I'm saying people in general tend to prefer speaking in vague generalities, assuming they already know the answer so don't seek clarification. Let me give an example. Which of the following would you prefer hearing? "I love you," or "I love the smile you give me when I'm feeling down. It adds brightness and color to my life, convincing me someone special truly cares about me." We're so used to taking shortcuts, that we've lost sight of depth in relationships. I agree with what you say, though familiar patterns aren't always functional, and other alternatives are available. These alternatives can make our lives easier and more meaningful, whereas keeping communication short and sweet sets people up to fill in whatever might be missing, which may not be an accurate analysis of the original intent.
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May 8, 2018 1:35 PM CST What is the right formula!
Rachie14
Rachie14Rachie14Stafford, Staffordshire, England UK1 Threads 2,330 Posts
Wanting2Care: I'm not accusing you of making assumptions. I'm saying people in general tend to prefer speaking in vague generalities, assuming they already know the answer so don't seek clarification. Let me give an example. Which of the following would you prefer hearing? "I love you," or "I love the smile you give me when I'm feeling down. It adds brightness and color to my life, convincing me someone special truly cares about me." We're so used to taking shortcuts, that we've lost sight of depth in relationships. I agree with what you say, though familiar patterns aren't always functional, and other alternatives are available. These alternatives can make our lives easier and more meaningful, whereas keeping communication short and sweet sets people up to fill in whatever might be missing, which may not be an accurate analysis of the original intent.
I understand what you are saying. But then you cannot please everyone.

I used to have put your seatbelt on. I used to see it as being nagged. What was actually being said was I care about you, I would like you to be safe.

But I also think when you actually have spent time with the person you realise what they are saying and what they mean by it.

It is getting to know them and what they actually mean when communication can be misunderstood.
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May 8, 2018 2:55 PM CST What is the right formula!
Wanting2Care
Wanting2CareWanting2CareActon, California USA5 Posts
Rachie14: I understand what you are saying. But then you cannot please everyone.

I used to have put your seatbelt on. I used to see it as being nagged. What was actually being said was I care about you, I would like you to be safe.

But I also think when you actually have spent time with the person you realise what they are saying and what they mean by it.

It is getting to know them and what they actually mean when communication can be misunderstood.
It is true we can't please everyone, but wouldn't we want to please those who are important to us?

I understand how one person's caring can be perceived of by others as saying they are too stupid to know what to do themselves. Merely share what you'd like to do and your reason and then ask the other person if this is something that would be appreciated or seen as negative. When we choose to put something on others, hopefully we take their thoughts and feelings into consideration. Just because something makes sense to one doesn't mean it will make sense to all. It would be like me telling you "after many years of experience, I've come to the conclusion it is easier and more convenient to pee standing up... so you should do it too." If you want to show caring, ask what behaviors the other sees as showing caring. Just because you might feel you are adding something significant to your relationship by cleaning your home all the time, that doesn't mean your partner wouldn't prefer quality time with you over a clean house. It is also important to understand the difference between caring and worrying. When we care, we focus on things within our control and are able to measure progress. When we worry, we focus on things out of our control, staying on an indefinite treadmill and draining the energy from everyone around us.

There is no universal good, bad, right or wrong. If we choose to interact with others, hopefully we'll reach out to understand their perspective rather than assume we already know all we need to know.

Once a person has explained his/her perspective, it isn't necessary to keep asking the same question. Hopefully, we choose to be both student and teacher... eager to learn all we can from the other and eager to make sure whatever we say or do is clear, without expecting the other to read our mind. Sometimes people ask when they aren't hearing what they want to hear. (after saying I'd like to see a movie, the other person asks, "are you sure?")

To have this type of communication, both people must feel safe. Women often feel entitled to vent, whereas it can be frustrating for a guy to hear the same thing over and over yet see neither progress nor openness to a different approach. Women are more likely to freely share their feelings than men. Men look at it as 'anything they say can and will be used against them.' Men have been criticized to the extent they choose to just not rock the boat. They tend to hold in that which they fear will trigger a negative result (unless their goal is to attack the other person).

When I say men or women, I'm not saying all men or all women. Though these may be common patterns, it makes no sense to place a label on a person if that label doesn't fit.
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May 8, 2018 3:24 PM CST What is the right formula!
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,456 Posts
I've decided to go on a different date once a week will make it very clear I will pay for myself I won't be sleeping with them I won't be having any emotional connection with them.

They of course won't believe me they will just say yeah sure to pacify me.

I'm going to do this fir six months then I'm going to write a book about each date I had over that period of time.

Would love to tape our conversations not sure if it's legal to do so.
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May 8, 2018 3:36 PM CST What is the right formula!
Mercedes_00: I've decided to go on a different date once a week will make it very clear I will pay for myself I won't be sleeping with them I won't be having any emotional connection with them.

They of course won't believe me they will just say yeah sure to pacify me.

I'm going to do this fir six months then I'm going to write a book about each date I had over that period of time.

Would love to tape our conversations not sure if it's legal to do so.
.....B/S......hug hug hug innocent sad flower laugh
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May 8, 2018 3:38 PM CST What is the right formula!
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,456 Posts
truheart1941: .....B/S......
Wanna be my first date? giggle

Have to run I did with you a wonderful birthday but you missed it hug
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May 8, 2018 3:39 PM CST What is the right formula!
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,456 Posts
Mercedes_00: Wanna be my first date?

Have to run I did with you a wonderful birthday but you missed it
Wish not with idiot conversing
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May 8, 2018 3:45 PM CST What is the right formula!
Mercedes_00: Wish not with idiot
dev/slice......is,nt an idiot.....just strange.....professor scold grin
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May 8, 2018 3:48 PM CST What is the right formula!
Mercedes_00: Wanna be my first date?

Have to run I did with you a wonderful birthday but you missed it
...YES......and what did you ..did with me.....??????.......roll eyes roll eyes
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May 8, 2018 3:53 PM CST What is the right formula!
deviant_slice
deviant_slicedeviant_sliceunknown, Tyne and Wear, England UK26 Threads 1 Polls 2,252 Posts
truheart1941: dev/slice......is,nt an idiot.....just strange.....
How did I end up in the conversation?
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May 8, 2018 3:57 PM CST What is the right formula!
Asteriana
AsterianaAsterianaAtlanta, Georgia USA2 Threads 1 Polls 43 Posts
annaroach: So there,,, what is the right formula , for a happy relationship?
You have to be lucky to meet someone compatible with you. heart1
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May 8, 2018 3:58 PM CST What is the right formula!
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
annaroach: I met a man from Michigan, at Heathrow airport yesterday and we got chatting,
he told me he was with his second wife, and he introduced me to his friend,
who was with his 3rd wife, so i asked him, was he looking for the right formula, and did he find it finally
he said he did, and they were together 16 years now,, i didn't ask him what the right formula was for him
as the subject was changed to temperatures,, as it does,, so i learned the formula how to calculate
fahrenheit to celsius ,, which i would, have anyway if i googled it , but it never became necessary.

So there,,, what is the right formula , for a happy relationship?
Creating mutual faith in love ,appreciate what you have, reminding each other that changes it's part of our lives, and being stronger with faith and appreciation It is possible to cross together through difficulties.
I can't say much but I think this is the most important thing
Just take a look at the collapsed marriages and you will understand .
Sorry I feel sleepy yawn
Good night everyone
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May 8, 2018 3:58 PM CST What is the right formula!
deviant_slice: How did I end up in the conversation?
...i was protecting you.....professor
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May 8, 2018 4:15 PM CST What is the right formula!
deviant_slice
deviant_slicedeviant_sliceunknown, Tyne and Wear, England UK26 Threads 1 Polls 2,252 Posts
truheart1941: ...i was protecting you.....
Protecting me? Remind me not to get on your bad side.
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May 9, 2018 8:00 AM CST What is the right formula!
SlainteMhaithx
SlainteMhaithxSlainteMhaithxLimerick, Ireland5 Threads 941 Posts
I think now the right formula is different for everyone.
No two couples are alike....no two individuals are alike.

As much as you hope its all plain sailing.
Two personalities coming together will always have its teething problems....it depends on the maturity of both individuals which will depend on whether the relationship will last or not.
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May 9, 2018 9:10 AM CST What is the right formula!
MikeD12
MikeD12MikeD12Broadstairs, Kent, England UK16 Threads 2 Polls 2,809 Posts
pKrema: Feel more and talk less...
Allowing each other to get to a deeply intimate level leaves all the unnecessary talks aside... Presuming and analysing everything leads to disaster...
** Feel more and talk less...** Wow = Yes please Darling K :-) (0) XXX
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