EGO - How comfortable are You with it? (49)

Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:49 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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BB_snickers: That's your ego saying "check me" .
And my self saying check mate.

cheers
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:03 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
bodleing2: And my self saying check mate.
rolling on the floor laughing

and the winner is ... confused



confused
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:22 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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BB_snickers: and the winner is ...
I'd like to say Self, but that could be my ego. I'll have to keep a close eye on them both, but that there are three of us?....dunno

Its just that wherever I go, ego's.

wave
Fri Mar 15, 2019 2:54 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
bodleing2: I'd like to say Self, but that could be my ego. I'll have to keep a close eye on them both, but that there are three of us?....

Its just that wherever I go, ego's.
Ostensibly correct sir. Maybe egos crazy for no reason at all... innocent
Fri Mar 15, 2019 3:50 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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BB_snickers: Ostensibly correct sir. Maybe egos crazy for no reason at all...
It may well be.

As in its autonomy it goes about, feeding obsessions, addictions, multiple complexes and projecting them to the outside world, unconsciously burdening others, while at the same time complaining about their oppression.

If you remain unconscious of it that is.

conversing
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:23 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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bodleing2: It may well be.

As in its autonomy it goes about, feeding obsessions, addictions, multiple complexes and projecting them to the outside world, unconsciously burdening others, while at the same time complaining about their oppression.

If you remain unconscious of it that is.
hiya wave bodleing

i try to keep it simple....
if it's not love, then it might be ego......grin

i often say there's only two choices...love or fear.
but maybe that should be love or ego.

love...(kindness, trust, support, freedom, expansion, acceptance...)
ego...(anger, blame, oppression, fear, jealousy, judging ...)

i still enjoy 'being right'....so i have a long ways to go......

in answer to the OP...
i am very uncomfortable with my ego.
Fri Mar 15, 2019 4:36 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
To my mind ego represents self cherishing, the root cause of our sufferings, the self "I" trying to find lasting happiness in a sea of suffering, that can be liked to an out of control elephant, constantly thinking thinking this or that, thinking thinking thinking.

If we examine mind activity closely using unattached observation, without grasping. Our mind is very much like one of those never ending news feeds, thought after thought. That our ego grasps onto one thought thinking this or that. Following one thought for a while then grasp onto another.
On and on without ever finding any end answer, final resolve, never finding any resolve because in part its just thoughts presenting a never ending array of choices, e.g thought is good, comfortable, bad or whatever, bla bla, then our habitual grasping onto the next thought, on and on.

So i again say: robert is just a label, father and mother labeled me with (a thought bubble they had) Tom, d*ck or Mary, mere label, study emptiness, because our true nature is energy, our cells are constantly dying and being replaced, our skin is constantly falling off, hair constantly growing also falling out, finger nails , whatever way you like to see it, our human form body is undergoing a constant flux of change, our bowels home for worms, bacteria, full of crap, pus.
Study emptiness while you enjoy this very temporary human form body that is endowed with a heightened ability to reasons before taking your next rebirth, death time is approaching like a freight train, make haste my friend... comfort nothing can become a nothing, change yes but cannot become a nothing, nor can you energy become a nothing, whether you want to believe or not you cannot become a nothing you energy will as it has always done, migrate from life to life, so make haste my friendshug
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:46 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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jono7: hiya bodleing

i try to keep it simple....
if it's not love, then it might be ego......

i often say there's only two choices...love or fear.
but maybe that should be love or ego.

love...(kindness, trust, support, freedom, expansion, acceptance...)
ego...(anger, blame, oppression, fear, jealousy, judging ...)

i still enjoy 'being right'....so i have a long ways to go......

in answer to the OP...
i am very uncomfortable with my ego.
Hi jono...wave

If it's love or fear, choose love. Where fear prevails, love is not.
But given the hold that the power of fear can have, the move to love is quite a challenge.
Like I've said before on a different thread, only when one faces ones fears, can they find the empowerment which will make possible the love of (the Other) others.
More often than not we have to sacrifice a part of ourselves, but that can lift us out of our ego-bound consciousness.
The willingness to sacrifice for the well being of another is transformative and paves the way for overcoming the fears that can bind us to the past and limits our growth.

Recognising the power of the ego, (it could be called self examination) and it's, at times, many self destructive forces upon the soul (psyche,) is at least providing a path towards a realisation of the true self and possibly a seismic shift away from the ego-self.

But it's always a work in progress.

hug
Fri Mar 15, 2019 5:55 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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robplum: To my mind ego represents self cherishing, the root cause of our sufferings, the self "I" trying to find lasting happiness in a sea of suffering, that can be liked to an out of control elephant, constantly thinking thinking this or that, thinking thinking thinking.
hiya rob wave


self cherishing.
i understand that ego is a form of self love. ego is trying to protect self in the misguided belief of separation of the 'I'.
....just doin' its job....

unfortunately, my ego awareness is always a retrospective...
i am happiest when i am in my quiet voice, and i am.
Fri Mar 15, 2019 6:02 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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hiya bodleing wave

i needed to hear that right now.
sometimes, i need a seismic shift to move things from my head to my heart.
thank you.
hug
Fri Mar 15, 2019 9:29 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
jono7: hiya rob


self cherishing.
i understand that ego is a form of self love. ego is trying to protect self in the misguided belief of separation of the 'I'.
....just doin' its job....

unfortunately, my ego awareness is always a retrospective...
i am happiest when i am in my quiet voice, and i am.
Hi jono,
Pleased to hear from you, it has been a long time.
My post referred to the Mahayana view that its our own self cherishing that created our sufferings and we must also use the same mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
No no misguided belief that i can detect, in fact Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years.

But i respect your right to believe other, that's fine jono...wave
Fri Mar 15, 2019 10:56 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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robplum: Hi jono,
Pleased to hear from you, it has been a long time.
My post referred to the Mahayana view that its our own self cherishing that created our sufferings and we must also use the same mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
No no misguided belief that i can detect, in fact Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years.

But i respect your right to believe other, that's fine jono...
hiya rob wave
yes, it's been a while. (grin)

i think what i was trying to say is that when one focuses on self ...one thinks one is separate, and becomes limited. Through benefiting others, one is more connected. it's not the same as no self.
i'm not sure how to say it.... but i have experienced moments of no separation. and it was different than being kind to another...there was no other in those moments.
Fri Mar 15, 2019 11:12 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
im aware of my ego and its constant chatter...I am comfortable with it and have befriended it as to not befriend it would be to dislike a part of myself.....I choose to stay in my center which is my authentic self and stay outta my head which is ego based...in my center is quiet and knowing that comes without thought....that is my I am and where I choose to be....wave
Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:23 AM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
Tibetan mind only schools of thought, looks at the Illusory Nature of Reality generated by mind, our minds.
Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts. Clear light state is thoughtless.
I first entered clear light state while assisting a road accident lady dying in the main street of a town in NSW. There is no thought process in the clear light state.
Developing motivation to benefit other if the path to liberation

In Part
Lama Yeshe’s talk at Vajra Yogini Institute, France, September, 1983
Good morning all of you. The director of Vajra Yogini Institute has asked me to speak about the integration of emptiness into every day life.

What is emptiness? Emptiness (shunyata) is the reality of the existence of ourselves and all the phenomena around us. According to the Buddhist point of view, seeking reality and seeking liberation amount to the same thing. The person who doesn’t want to seek reality doesn’t really want to seek liberation, and is just confused.

That's part of Lama teaching "How to Let Go, How to Integrate Emptiness in Everyday Life"



To you both I perseive as friends I am trying to say I honestly believe its useful information and worth checking out, its important comfort
Sat Mar 16, 2019 6:15 AM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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robplum: Tibetan mind only schools of thought, looks at the Illusory Nature of Reality generated by mind, our minds.
Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts. Clear light state is thoughtless.
I first entered clear light state while assisting a road accident lady dying in the main street of a town in NSW. There is no thought process in the clear light state.
Developing motivation to benefit other if the path to liberation

In Part
Lama Yeshe’s talk at Vajra Yogini Institute, France, September, 1983
Good morning all of you. The director of Vajra Yogini Institute has asked me to speak about the integration of emptiness into every day life.

What is emptiness? Emptiness (shunyata) is the reality of the existence of ourselves and all the phenomena around us. According to the Buddhist point of view, seeking reality and seeking liberation amount to the same thing. The person who doesn’t want to seek reality doesn’t really want to seek liberation, and is just confused.

That's part of Lama teaching "How to Let Go, How to Integrate Emptiness in Everyday Life"



To you both I perseive as friends I am trying to say I honestly believe its useful information and worth checking out, its important
Thanks for that link Rob, I found it very interesting, also the mandala links will give me plenty of reading.

I wanted to mention 'emptiness' and the confusion, or misunderstanding that word causes to what Lama Yeshe calls "20th century people."
The trouble with the word emptiness is that the, now, 21st century mind will interpret it within the constraints of the logical or gross mind. We will see the word emptiness to mean nothing.
This of course is far from the meaning, if it could be called meaning at all. I guess you could say it's more like 'no thing,' but within no thing must be everything by default.
As you know, nothing can exist independently, from its own side, duality fools us into thinking it can and it must. To grasp the concept of this is, perhaps, the first step of many, on the road to the realisation of emptiness.

wave
Sat Mar 16, 2019 8:34 AM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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robplum: Tibetan mind only schools of thought, looks at the Illusory Nature of Reality generated by mind, our minds.
Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts.
Lama teaching "How to Let Go, How to Integrate Emptiness in Everyday Life"



To you both I perseive as friends I am trying to say I honestly believe its useful information and worth checking out, its important
good morning rob,

thank you. this was the perfect way for me to start my day.

"So, now we dedicate with prayers: May all sentient beings discover that all the appearances of their ego are projections of their mind. Whatever self-existent thoughts, whatever concrete concepts of objects, whatever fears they have, may they discover them to be mental projections and also may the nature of mind be recognized as non-dual."

i have been projecting much fear into my life lately, forgetting that everything is what i have created. usually when i meditate, i observe. every now and then, i see something that i get attached to, and it can be happy or frightening. .....and then the roller coaster of emotion begins. i welcome the reminder that perception is reality.
thank you
Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:38 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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robplum: Tibetan mind only schools of thought, looks at the Illusory Nature of Reality generated by mind, our minds.
Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts. Clear light state is thoughtless.
I first entered clear light state while assisting a road accident lady dying in the main street of a town in NSW. There is no thought process in the clear light state.
Developing motivation to benefit other if the path to liberation
"A clear light state." That's interesting rob.
Sometimes, but very rarely a person can have what is know as a spontaneous awakening, sudden enlightenment or self realisation.
I'm sure you're aware of this.
I've only met one person who this has happened to. His name was Russel Williams.
Sadly not with us anymore, he left us last year at the age of 96, but he always said he won't be coming back this time.
Russel's life was nothing short of extraordinary, even before his awakening he new he had a task to fulfil.
His enlightening happened in 1955. Unaware of what had happened to him, he wandered round for two years thinking he had gone mad, something the various clergy he sought advice from confirmed.
It wasn't until he met a Buddhist monk in London in the late fifties who explained exactly what had happenew to him that he was able to piece it together.
It was suggested by a woman, a friend of the monk, that he could travel back with her to the Manchester Buddhist Society, a small house in a suburb of Manchester.
He was there right up to his passing last year at the age of 96. During that time he gave teachings twice a week from the house. He even became the director of the Manchester Buddhist Society in the seventies, even though he stated many times he wasn't a Buddhist, such was his influence on all who met him.
He always refused to give his teachings anywhere other than the small house that was, and still is the Manchester Buddhist Centre.
I found out about him about four years ago and since then I've had the great fortune to spend many hours in his amazing presence.
He was eventually talked into writing a book, something he had shunned away from for many years, which explains why very few people have ever heard of him.
The book was published about three years ago, the title of which is..Not I, Not Other Than I.
Below is a link to an interview withe Steve Taylor who talked him into and Co wrote the book. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. I'll also post a link of an interview with Russel not long before he left us.

Not I, Not Other Than I.



Russel Williams, Looking Through The Horses Eyes.

Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:48 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
bodleing2: Thanks for that link Rob, I found it very interesting, also the mandala links will give me plenty of reading.

I wanted to mention 'emptiness' and the confusion, or misunderstanding that word causes to what Lama Yeshe calls "20th century people."
The trouble with the word emptiness is that the, now, 21st century mind will interpret it within the constraints of the logical or gross mind. We will see the word emptiness to mean nothing.
This of course is far from the meaning, if it could be called meaning at all. I guess you could say it's more like 'no thing,' but within no thing must be everything by default.
As you know, nothing can exist independently, from its own side, duality fools us into thinking it can and it must. To grasp the concept of this is, perhaps, the first step of many, on the road to the realisation of emptiness.
Thanks mate your welcome
I find Lama Yeshe explanations very helpful, Lama Zopa had just taken over Spiritual Director FPMT from Lama Yeshe when i first started listening in Chenrezig Institute Queensland however his explanations seem so meaningful, clear almost as clear as HH Dalai Lama who also seems to my mind easy to listen to, even in written form.
Its easy to get lost and so though I try to stay focused I don't do a very good job of itlaugh

my alter has photos of those i have taken teachings from which servers to help my forgetful mind...

Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:03 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
bodleing2: "A clear light state." That's interesting rob.
Sometimes, but very rarely a person can have what is know as a spontaneous awakening, sudden enlightenment or self realisation.
I'm sure you're aware of this.
I've only met one person who this has happened to. His name was Russel Williams.
Sadly not with us anymore, he left us last year at the age of 96, but he always said he won't be coming back this time.
Russel's life was nothing short of extraordinary, even before his awakening he new he had a task to fulfil.
His enlightening happened in 1955. Unaware of what had happened to him, he wandered round for two years thinking he had gone mad, something the various clergy he sought advice from confirmed.
It wasn't until he met a Buddhist monk in London in the late fifties who explained exactly what had happenew to him that he was able to piece it together.
It was suggested by a woman, a friend of the monk, that he could travel back with her to the Manchester Buddhist Society, a small house in a suburb of Manchester.
He was there right up to his passing last year at the age of 96. During that time he gave teachings twice a week from the house. He even became the director of the Manchester Buddhist Society in the seventies, even though he stated many times he wasn't a Buddhist, such was his influence on all who met him.
He always refused to give his teachings anywhere other than the small house that was, and still is the Manchester Buddhist Centre.
I found out about him about four years ago and since then I've had the great fortune to spend many hours in his amazing presence.
He was eventually talked into writing a book, something he had shunned away from for many years, which explains why very few people have ever heard of him.
The book was published about three years ago, the title of which is..Not I, Not Other Than I.
Below is a link to an interview withe Steve Taylor who talked him into and Co wrote the book. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. I'll also post a link of an interview with Russel not long before he left us.

Not I, Not Other Than I.



Russel Williams, Looking Through The Horses Eyes.

I have had this spontaneous awakening. I have experienced this using binaural beats with the Holosync program. When I experience that connection it is much like ... idk... wholeness? It's being able to see/feel everything as an energy, even though people generally perceive it as emotion. As you can see, I am still having trouble describing the state.

I will be watching the link G

wine
Sat Mar 16, 2019 4:06 PM CST EGO - How comfortable are You with it?
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robplum: Hi jono,
mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
hiya rob wave

i did a painting inspired from the work of karma phuntso.
i don't know how to post a photograph.
i will put it on my profile temporarily and hope you see it.
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