EGO - How comfortable are You with it? (47)
BB_snickers: Ostensibly correct sir. Maybe egos crazy for no reason at all...
It may well be.As in its autonomy it goes about, feeding obsessions, addictions, multiple complexes and projecting them to the outside world, unconsciously burdening others, while at the same time complaining about their oppression.
If you remain unconscious of it that is.
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bodleing2: It may well be.
As in its autonomy it goes about, feeding obsessions, addictions, multiple complexes and projecting them to the outside world, unconsciously burdening others, while at the same time complaining about their oppression.
If you remain unconscious of it that is.
hiya As in its autonomy it goes about, feeding obsessions, addictions, multiple complexes and projecting them to the outside world, unconsciously burdening others, while at the same time complaining about their oppression.
If you remain unconscious of it that is.
bodleingi try to keep it simple....
if it's not love, then it might be ego......
i often say there's only two choices...love or fear.
but maybe that should be love or ego.
love...(kindness, trust, support, freedom, expansion, acceptance...)
ego...(anger, blame, oppression, fear, jealousy, judging ...)
i still enjoy 'being right'....so i have a long ways to go......
in answer to the OP...
i am very uncomfortable with my ego.
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jono7: hiya bodleing
i try to keep it simple....
if it's not love, then it might be ego......
i often say there's only two choices...love or fear.
but maybe that should be love or ego.
love...(kindness, trust, support, freedom, expansion, acceptance...)
ego...(anger, blame, oppression, fear, jealousy, judging ...)
i still enjoy 'being right'....so i have a long ways to go......
in answer to the OP...
i am very uncomfortable with my ego.
Hi jono...i try to keep it simple....
if it's not love, then it might be ego......
i often say there's only two choices...love or fear.
but maybe that should be love or ego.
love...(kindness, trust, support, freedom, expansion, acceptance...)
ego...(anger, blame, oppression, fear, jealousy, judging ...)
i still enjoy 'being right'....so i have a long ways to go......
in answer to the OP...
i am very uncomfortable with my ego.
If it's love or fear, choose love. Where fear prevails, love is not.
But given the hold that the power of fear can have, the move to love is quite a challenge.
Like I've said before on a different thread, only when one faces ones fears, can they find the empowerment which will make possible the love of (the Other) others.
More often than not we have to sacrifice a part of ourselves, but that can lift us out of our ego-bound consciousness.
The willingness to sacrifice for the well being of another is transformative and paves the way for overcoming the fears that can bind us to the past and limits our growth.
Recognising the power of the ego, (it could be called self examination) and it's, at times, many self destructive forces upon the soul (psyche,) is at least providing a path towards a realisation of the true self and possibly a seismic shift away from the ego-self.
But it's always a work in progress.
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robplum: To my mind ego represents self cherishing, the root cause of our sufferings, the self "I" trying to find lasting happiness in a sea of suffering, that can be liked to an out of control elephant, constantly thinking thinking this or that, thinking thinking thinking.
hiya rob self cherishing.
i understand that ego is a form of self love. ego is trying to protect self in the misguided belief of separation of the 'I'.
....just doin' its job....
unfortunately, my ego awareness is always a retrospective...
i am happiest when i am in my quiet voice, and i am.
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hiya bodleing
i needed to hear that right now.
sometimes, i need a seismic shift to move things from my head to my heart.
thank you.
i needed to hear that right now.
sometimes, i need a seismic shift to move things from my head to my heart.
thank you.
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jono7: hiya rob
self cherishing.
i understand that ego is a form of self love. ego is trying to protect self in the misguided belief of separation of the 'I'.
....just doin' its job....
unfortunately, my ego awareness is always a retrospective...
i am happiest when i am in my quiet voice, and i am.
Hi jono, self cherishing.
i understand that ego is a form of self love. ego is trying to protect self in the misguided belief of separation of the 'I'.
....just doin' its job....
unfortunately, my ego awareness is always a retrospective...
i am happiest when i am in my quiet voice, and i am.
Pleased to hear from you, it has been a long time.
My post referred to the Mahayana view that its our own self cherishing that created our sufferings and we must also use the same mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
No no misguided belief that i can detect, in fact Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years.
But i respect your right to believe other, that's fine jono...
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robplum: Hi jono,
Pleased to hear from you, it has been a long time.
My post referred to the Mahayana view that its our own self cherishing that created our sufferings and we must also use the same mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
No no misguided belief that i can detect, in fact Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years.
But i respect your right to believe other, that's fine jono...
hiya rob Pleased to hear from you, it has been a long time.
My post referred to the Mahayana view that its our own self cherishing that created our sufferings and we must also use the same mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
No no misguided belief that i can detect, in fact Buddhism has been around for over 20,000 years.
But i respect your right to believe other, that's fine jono...
yes, it's been a while. (grin)
i think what i was trying to say is that when one focuses on self ...one thinks one is separate, and becomes limited. Through benefiting others, one is more connected. it's not the same as no self.
i'm not sure how to say it.... but i have experienced moments of no separation. and it was different than being kind to another...there was no other in those moments.
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im aware of my ego and its constant chatter...I am comfortable with it and have befriended it as to not befriend it would be to dislike a part of myself.....I choose to stay in my center which is my authentic self and stay outta my head which is ego based...in my center is quiet and knowing that comes without thought....that is my I am and where I choose to be....
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robplum: Tibetan mind only schools of thought, looks at the Illusory Nature of Reality generated by mind, our minds.
Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts.
Lama teaching "How to Let Go, How to Integrate Emptiness in Everyday Life"
To you both I perseive as friends I am trying to say I honestly believe its useful information and worth checking out, its important
good morning rob,Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts.
Lama teaching "How to Let Go, How to Integrate Emptiness in Everyday Life"
To you both I perseive as friends I am trying to say I honestly believe its useful information and worth checking out, its important
thank you. this was the perfect way for me to start my day.
"So, now we dedicate with prayers: May all sentient beings discover that all the appearances of their ego are projections of their mind. Whatever self-existent thoughts, whatever concrete concepts of objects, whatever fears they have, may they discover them to be mental projections and also may the nature of mind be recognized as non-dual."
i have been projecting much fear into my life lately, forgetting that everything is what i have created. usually when i meditate, i observe. every now and then, i see something that i get attached to, and it can be happy or frightening. .....and then the roller coaster of emotion begins. i welcome the reminder that perception is reality.
thank you
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robplum: Tibetan mind only schools of thought, looks at the Illusory Nature of Reality generated by mind, our minds.
Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts. Clear light state is thoughtless.
I first entered clear light state while assisting a road accident lady dying in the main street of a town in NSW. There is no thought process in the clear light state.
Developing motivation to benefit other if the path to liberation
"A clear light state." That's interesting rob.Its not about feelings, rather what actually is. Thoughts are just thoughts, created in mind, our minds, the true nature of mind is clear light, not thoughts. Clear light state is thoughtless.
I first entered clear light state while assisting a road accident lady dying in the main street of a town in NSW. There is no thought process in the clear light state.
Developing motivation to benefit other if the path to liberation
Sometimes, but very rarely a person can have what is know as a spontaneous awakening, sudden enlightenment or self realisation.
I'm sure you're aware of this.
I've only met one person who this has happened to. His name was Russel Williams.
Sadly not with us anymore, he left us last year at the age of 96, but he always said he won't be coming back this time.
Russel's life was nothing short of extraordinary, even before his awakening he new he had a task to fulfil.
His enlightening happened in 1955. Unaware of what had happened to him, he wandered round for two years thinking he had gone mad, something the various clergy he sought advice from confirmed.
It wasn't until he met a Buddhist monk in London in the late fifties who explained exactly what had happenew to him that he was able to piece it together.
It was suggested by a woman, a friend of the monk, that he could travel back with her to the Manchester Buddhist Society, a small house in a suburb of Manchester.
He was there right up to his passing last year at the age of 96. During that time he gave teachings twice a week from the house. He even became the director of the Manchester Buddhist Society in the seventies, even though he stated many times he wasn't a Buddhist, such was his influence on all who met him.
He always refused to give his teachings anywhere other than the small house that was, and still is the Manchester Buddhist Centre.
I found out about him about four years ago and since then I've had the great fortune to spend many hours in his amazing presence.
He was eventually talked into writing a book, something he had shunned away from for many years, which explains why very few people have ever heard of him.
The book was published about three years ago, the title of which is..Not I, Not Other Than I.
Below is a link to an interview withe Steve Taylor who talked him into and Co wrote the book. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. I'll also post a link of an interview with Russel not long before he left us.
Not I, Not Other Than I.
Russel Williams, Looking Through The Horses Eyes.
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bodleing2: Thanks for that link Rob, I found it very interesting, also the mandala links will give me plenty of reading.
I wanted to mention 'emptiness' and the confusion, or misunderstanding that word causes to what Lama Yeshe calls "20th century people."
The trouble with the word emptiness is that the, now, 21st century mind will interpret it within the constraints of the logical or gross mind. We will see the word emptiness to mean nothing.
This of course is far from the meaning, if it could be called meaning at all. I guess you could say it's more like 'no thing,' but within no thing must be everything by default.
As you know, nothing can exist independently, from its own side, duality fools us into thinking it can and it must. To grasp the concept of this is, perhaps, the first step of many, on the road to the realisation of emptiness.
Thanks mate your welcomeI wanted to mention 'emptiness' and the confusion, or misunderstanding that word causes to what Lama Yeshe calls "20th century people."
The trouble with the word emptiness is that the, now, 21st century mind will interpret it within the constraints of the logical or gross mind. We will see the word emptiness to mean nothing.
This of course is far from the meaning, if it could be called meaning at all. I guess you could say it's more like 'no thing,' but within no thing must be everything by default.
As you know, nothing can exist independently, from its own side, duality fools us into thinking it can and it must. To grasp the concept of this is, perhaps, the first step of many, on the road to the realisation of emptiness.
I find Lama Yeshe explanations very helpful, Lama Zopa had just taken over Spiritual Director FPMT from Lama Yeshe when i first started listening in Chenrezig Institute Queensland however his explanations seem so meaningful, clear almost as clear as HH Dalai Lama who also seems to my mind easy to listen to, even in written form.
Its easy to get lost and so though I try to stay focused I don't do a very good job of it
my alter has photos of those i have taken teachings from which servers to help my forgetful mind...
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bodleing2: "A clear light state." That's interesting rob.
Sometimes, but very rarely a person can have what is know as a spontaneous awakening, sudden enlightenment or self realisation.
I'm sure you're aware of this.
I've only met one person who this has happened to. His name was Russel Williams.
Sadly not with us anymore, he left us last year at the age of 96, but he always said he won't be coming back this time.
Russel's life was nothing short of extraordinary, even before his awakening he new he had a task to fulfil.
His enlightening happened in 1955. Unaware of what had happened to him, he wandered round for two years thinking he had gone mad, something the various clergy he sought advice from confirmed.
It wasn't until he met a Buddhist monk in London in the late fifties who explained exactly what had happenew to him that he was able to piece it together.
It was suggested by a woman, a friend of the monk, that he could travel back with her to the Manchester Buddhist Society, a small house in a suburb of Manchester.
He was there right up to his passing last year at the age of 96. During that time he gave teachings twice a week from the house. He even became the director of the Manchester Buddhist Society in the seventies, even though he stated many times he wasn't a Buddhist, such was his influence on all who met him.
He always refused to give his teachings anywhere other than the small house that was, and still is the Manchester Buddhist Centre.
I found out about him about four years ago and since then I've had the great fortune to spend many hours in his amazing presence.
He was eventually talked into writing a book, something he had shunned away from for many years, which explains why very few people have ever heard of him.
The book was published about three years ago, the title of which is..Not I, Not Other Than I.
Below is a link to an interview withe Steve Taylor who talked him into and Co wrote the book. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. I'll also post a link of an interview with Russel not long before he left us.
Not I, Not Other Than I.
Russel Williams, Looking Through The Horses Eyes.
I have had this spontaneous awakening. I have experienced this using binaural beats with the Holosync program. When I experience that connection it is much like ... idk... wholeness? It's being able to see/feel everything as an energy, even though people generally perceive it as emotion. As you can see, I am still having trouble describing the state.Sometimes, but very rarely a person can have what is know as a spontaneous awakening, sudden enlightenment or self realisation.
I'm sure you're aware of this.
I've only met one person who this has happened to. His name was Russel Williams.
Sadly not with us anymore, he left us last year at the age of 96, but he always said he won't be coming back this time.
Russel's life was nothing short of extraordinary, even before his awakening he new he had a task to fulfil.
His enlightening happened in 1955. Unaware of what had happened to him, he wandered round for two years thinking he had gone mad, something the various clergy he sought advice from confirmed.
It wasn't until he met a Buddhist monk in London in the late fifties who explained exactly what had happenew to him that he was able to piece it together.
It was suggested by a woman, a friend of the monk, that he could travel back with her to the Manchester Buddhist Society, a small house in a suburb of Manchester.
He was there right up to his passing last year at the age of 96. During that time he gave teachings twice a week from the house. He even became the director of the Manchester Buddhist Society in the seventies, even though he stated many times he wasn't a Buddhist, such was his influence on all who met him.
He always refused to give his teachings anywhere other than the small house that was, and still is the Manchester Buddhist Centre.
I found out about him about four years ago and since then I've had the great fortune to spend many hours in his amazing presence.
He was eventually talked into writing a book, something he had shunned away from for many years, which explains why very few people have ever heard of him.
The book was published about three years ago, the title of which is..Not I, Not Other Than I.
Below is a link to an interview withe Steve Taylor who talked him into and Co wrote the book. I'm sure you'll find it interesting. I'll also post a link of an interview with Russel not long before he left us.
Not I, Not Other Than I.
Russel Williams, Looking Through The Horses Eyes.
I will be watching the link G
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robplum: Hi jono,
mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
hiya rob mind to generate ever increasing happiness, the path is benefiting others... they hold a view that seeking happiness for ones self is only suffering bound up in time.
i did a painting inspired from the work of karma phuntso.
i don't know how to post a photograph.
i will put it on my profile temporarily and hope you see it.
:)
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jono7: good morning rob,
thank you. this was the perfect way for me to start my day.
"So, now we dedicate with prayers: May all sentient beings discover that all the appearances of their ego are projections of their mind. Whatever self-existent thoughts, whatever concrete concepts of objects, whatever fears they have, may they discover them to be mental projections and also may the nature of mind be recognized as non-dual."
i have been projecting much fear into my life lately, forgetting that everything is what i have created. usually when i meditate, i observe. every now and then, i see something that i get attached to, and it can be happy or frightening. .....and then the roller coaster of emotion begins. i welcome the reminder that perception is reality.
thank you
Good morning jonothank you. this was the perfect way for me to start my day.
"So, now we dedicate with prayers: May all sentient beings discover that all the appearances of their ego are projections of their mind. Whatever self-existent thoughts, whatever concrete concepts of objects, whatever fears they have, may they discover them to be mental projections and also may the nature of mind be recognized as non-dual."
i have been projecting much fear into my life lately, forgetting that everything is what i have created. usually when i meditate, i observe. every now and then, i see something that i get attached to, and it can be happy or frightening. .....and then the roller coaster of emotion begins. i welcome the reminder that perception is reality.
thank you
I'm glad you were able to focus (i guess that's good way to express start of your day) GOOD
your welcome.I observe my mind a best as i can all the time, I guard my mind, at the same time mindfully I track developing hostilities in international affairs and have done that over long period of time in the hope i am actually benefiting others.
I believe i am well equipped to benefit others in that area, and I guess others might not understand how that is but some body better hehehe.
Likewise I think you have had to observe your partners considerable suffering, and I should like to say that you helped me to understand the need to protect my gut after the complete break down of my digestive system.
I sincerely thank you jono for the information you shared in the past because it greatly assisted my decision making in warding off gut leak.
I think I'm Ok in that department, and I credit you (whether you knew it or not) for the considerable improvement in my state of health. I sincerely thank you jono
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aries1234: I believe getting the ego under control is paramount to development
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robplum: Good morning jono
I'm glad you were able to focus (i guess that's good way to express start of your day) GOOD your welcome.
I observe my mind a best as i can all the time, I guard my mind, at the same time mindfully I track developing hostilities in international affairs and have done that over long period of time in the hope i am actually benefiting others.
I believe i am well equipped to benefit others in that area, and I guess others might not understand how that is but some body better hehehe.
Likewise I think you have had to observe your partners considerable suffering, and I should like to say that you helped me to understand the need to protect my gut after the complete break down of my digestive system.
I sincerely thank you jono for the information you shared in the past because it greatly assisted my decision making in warding off gut leak.
I think I'm Ok in that department, and I credit you (whether you knew it or not) for the considerable improvement in my state of health. I sincerely thank you jono
thank you Rob, i did not know that.I'm glad you were able to focus (i guess that's good way to express start of your day) GOOD your welcome.
I observe my mind a best as i can all the time, I guard my mind, at the same time mindfully I track developing hostilities in international affairs and have done that over long period of time in the hope i am actually benefiting others.
I believe i am well equipped to benefit others in that area, and I guess others might not understand how that is but some body better hehehe.
Likewise I think you have had to observe your partners considerable suffering, and I should like to say that you helped me to understand the need to protect my gut after the complete break down of my digestive system.
I sincerely thank you jono for the information you shared in the past because it greatly assisted my decision making in warding off gut leak.
I think I'm Ok in that department, and I credit you (whether you knew it or not) for the considerable improvement in my state of health. I sincerely thank you jono
that means a lot to me. truly does. (smiling tears)
and you have me thinking about the many acts of kindness i have received from you, and folks here on cs.
you probably don't know that your support for my painting came at a time when i really needed some.
so i thank you for that.
i have added the most recent to profile as well.
...and after chatting one day...i learned about how seeds are best for outdoor planting...grin.
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you just keep smiling jono, I'm pleased to hear that your Ok your welcome to message any time, check out Aust NZ forums picture thread I am still pretty much daily posting photos in that thread.
don't forget to water the seeds blow my blessings on them
be happy don't worry hehehe
don't forget to water the seeds blow my blessings on them
be happy don't worry hehehe
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Spiritual growth brings pain. It isn't easy to let go of certain behaviors or beliefs, to admit errors in thought and practice. Without negating the magnitude of ego-death, the emblems of what is to come .. greater spiritual strength .. remind us that the endeavor is not without its reward. 
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Some interesting comments on this thread, most things i have heard of at some time or another.
I started listening to Alan watts about 2 to 3 years ago and i couldn't get what he was on about until about 8 manths ago, after i ran into a good interpertation of a gnostic christian book.
I saw a comment on this thread saying that the ego is an on going work in progress, i think its an on going work to control the ego..
I started listening to Alan watts about 2 to 3 years ago and i couldn't get what he was on about until about 8 manths ago, after i ran into a good interpertation of a gnostic christian book.
I saw a comment on this thread saying that the ego is an on going work in progress, i think its an on going work to control the ego..
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Its just that wherever I go, ego's.