Nine Royal Navy ships were involved in a major operation shadowing seven Russian vessels who had lingered in the Channel for several days this month as the coronavirus crisis was beginning to worsen in the UK.
The unusually high level of Russian activity concluded about a week and a half ago and navy officials said they believed it was primarily a response to western exercises in Europe rather than to a perception that the disease was leaving the UK vulnerable.
But it was significant because Russian warships normally transit through the Channel on their way from the Baltic to the Mediterranean or vice versa – whereas on this occasion they remained off the coast, putting British defences to the test.
The seven Russian ships – two frigates, three corvettes and two landing ships – were initially tracked by HMS Tyne, an offshore patrol craft. But at various times four navy frigates were deployed to shadow the Russians.
The naval activity comes shortly after Russian planes were shadowed by RAF jets west of the British Isles on at least two occasions. Typhoons were scrambled earlier in March to intercept two Russian Tu-142 “Bear” bombers north of the Shetland Islands and they followed them as they flew south and west into airspace used by transatlantic commercial airliners.
The Channel is rge English Channel right next to the UK.
This happened a couple of weeks ago after an operation was aborted due to the coronavirus outbreak. The Russians for some unknown reasons decided to hang about .
Typhoons are always in action overhead where I live as I'm near Conningsby RAF base. They were dispatched to Heathrow not long back to redirect a plane to Stanstead due to a disruptive passenger .
This happened a couple of weeks ago after an operation was aborted due to the coronavirus outbreak. The Russians for some unknown reasons decided to hang about .
Typhoons are always in action overhead where I live as I'm near Conningsby RAF base. They were dispatched to Heathrow not long back to redirect a plane to Stanstead due to a disruptive passenger .
I heardrhem fly over Plymouth at about 200 ft on theirway to keep an eye on them, just recently
The Russian ships were actually in international waters. They had every right to be where they were. The Straits of Dover, the narrowest part of the Channel does, it’s true, lie wholly within the territorial waters of Britain and France, but there is a right of transit passage under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. It is of course a great pity that ships passing the Straits no longer have to dip their flag and lower their topsails in salute to the English, but times move on.
The truth of the matter is that the Russians, whether or not seven ships is ‘usual’ or ‘unusual’, weren’t doing anything wrong. If they had suddenly changed direction and started heading up the Thames, then of course it would be different, but they didn’t. So what’s the fuss?
I would have thought Russian and Chinese troops deployed to assist collection of all the dead bodies the crematoriums are unable to deal with would bring great joy to members of N.A.T.O alliance given that France, Italy and Germany fully intend to continue to purchase Russian gas and are not inclined to support purchase facilitating introduction of gas via pipeline carrying stolen gas from Syria that the UK would feel secure knowing that Russia and China are so willing to assist countries in your region !!
robplum: The Russian ships were actually in international waters. They had every right to be where they were. The Straits of Dover, the narrowest part of the Channel does, it’s true, lie wholly within the territorial waters of Britain and France, but there is a right of transit passage under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. It is of course a great pity that ships passing the Straits no longer have to dip their flag and lower their topsails in salute to the English, but times move on.
The truth of the matter is that the Russians, whether or not seven ships is ‘usual’ or ‘unusual’, weren’t doing anything wrong. If they had suddenly changed direction and started heading up the Thames, then of course it would be different, but they didn’t. So what’s the fuss?
Everything you say is true, and common knowledge, but do you think the UK is going to keep it's eye off the ball so close to our country, no chance, and they know it.
Of course the UK, but there are quite a few aspects to the current trade war, including the call to arms by clown number one in the straits of Humus, then there is French nationalism e.g. Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier docks at Limassol port 21 February 2020 THE COMPOSITION OF THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER GROUP
On departure from Toulon, the air and naval group was composed of the aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, the on-board air group, the multi-mission frigate (FREMM) Auvergne, the air defense frigate (FDA) Chevalier Paul, the command and supply ship (BCR) Var, the Greek frigate HS Spetsai and a nuclear attack submarine. Throughout the deployment, various French* and foreign ships (German, American, Belgian, Spanish, Dutch and Portuguese) as well as a maritime patrol aircraft Atlantique 2 will accompany or interact with the naval air group. First, global competition between the United States and China is an established strategic fact nowadays, which structures, and from now on will structure, all international relations. The very idea of a multilateral order based on law, whereby the use of force is regulated, commitments are fulfilled and laws create obligations that apply to everyone, is being challenged greatly today.
This dismantling of international norms is part of an assumed competition-based approach whereby only the law of the strongest and power balances count. The most cynical go so far as to hide behind a legal premise and a superficial attachment to the world order to better violate it with total impunity.
These attitudes obviously raise fundamental questions to our democracies. Can we be the only ones to respect the rules of the game, the only ones whose signature on international commitments still has value? Has this become a guilty naivety?
But this European freedom of action, Europe’s defence and security, cannot be based solely on a military approach.
To build the Europe of tomorrow, our norms cannot be controlled by the United States, our infrastructure, our ports and airports owned by Chinese capital, and our computer networks under Russian pressure.
At European level, we need to control our maritime, energy and digital infrastructure.
tomcatty: Everything you say is true, and common knowledge, but do you think the UK is going to keep it's eye off the ball so close to our country, no chance, and they know it.
Better question : Do you think Boris n his Band of Buffoons are going to miss ANY opportunity to use their blatant Russophobia as a distraction ?
p.s. whatever DID happen to the Skripals ... and any evidence yet to back up the otherwise groundless novichok accusations against that nation ?
He's forgotten that last winter when the UK was under severe energy stress due to a prolonged cold spell Dear Old Putin sent them a tanker full of LPG ...
That scare the pants off the politicians - can;t have British people seeing the truth - that Russia is a benign neighbour as well as (let's not forget) the greatest of the WW2 Allies !
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HexagonKeySet: He's forgotten that last winter when the UK was under severe energy stress due to a prolonged cold spell Dear Old Putin sent them a tanker full of LPG ...
That scare the pants off the politicians - can;t have British people seeing the truth - that Russia is a benign neighbour as well as (let's not forget) the greatest of the WW2 Allies !
A whole tanker of gas! Hope it didn't bankrupt that poor little nation! (but hold your nose)
Our greatest ally! I wish Stalin was still alive. I could sneeze in his face.
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The unusually high level of Russian activity concluded about a week and a half ago and navy officials said they believed it was primarily a response to western exercises in Europe rather than to a perception that the disease was leaving the UK vulnerable.
But it was significant because Russian warships normally transit through the Channel on their way from the Baltic to the Mediterranean or vice versa – whereas on this occasion they remained off the coast, putting British defences to the test.
The seven Russian ships – two frigates, three corvettes and two landing ships – were initially tracked by HMS Tyne, an offshore patrol craft. But at various times four navy frigates were deployed to shadow the Russians.
The naval activity comes shortly after Russian planes were shadowed by RAF jets west of the British Isles on at least two occasions. Typhoons were scrambled earlier in March to intercept two Russian Tu-142 “Bear” bombers north of the Shetland Islands and they followed them as they flew south and west into airspace used by transatlantic commercial airliners.
The Channel is rge English Channel right next to the UK.