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May 6, 2020 3:37 PM CST FAILING EU
keresem
keresemkeresemCork, Ireland4 Threads 101 Posts
PeKaatje: The central bank of the European Union (ECB) is buying debts from countries without the chance for any state to agree with this. The idea is to support the economy, factories and offices can loan money.
So if Italy makes a lot of debts the CEB is paying, actually other countries are paying for the debts Italy is making. (It could be any European country of course).

The Germans now want to stop this or they won't pay anymore.
And they are right. The rules of the ECB are promoting fraud and neglect the budgetary rules of countries. While countries like Germany and The Netherlands behave countries in the south and east of Europe often don't.

East European countries also refuse to take the fair share of the fugetives and send them on to western Europe. They prefer a fine, pay for it, but in the end the west iws paying for most east European countries are getting more money than they are paying to the EU.
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most of them economic migrants, and they want to go to Germany, Austria, Sweden etc not to any other country!
The EU is not a charity group! They benefit more from the money they give!
By the way many way of solution offered by other EU countries that not accepted by leftist! Every EU country has the rights to decide who they want to live with unless they come from another member state!
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May 7, 2020 10:12 AM CST FAILING EU
Stranger1978HQ
Stranger1978HQStranger1978HQCologne !, Hamburg Germany241 Posts
Conrad73: West has become so "Open Minded",its friggen Brain fell out!
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May 7, 2020 1:58 PM CST FAILING EU
Stranger1978HQ
Stranger1978HQStranger1978HQCologne !, Hamburg Germany241 Posts
Conrad73: Laferi!
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May 7, 2020 2:41 PM CST FAILING EU
Bohemund
BohemundBohemundMalabar, Florida USA3 Threads 118 Posts
When it was just the European Community, an outgrowth of the coal mining alliance between France and Germany (ECSC), and it was founded on the free movement of people and products across internal borders, along with the standardization in things like electrical sockets and wrenches, it wasn't a bad idea.

But it was seized upon by anti-European globalists, to bleed the populations white with taxation, immobilize them with onerous regulations, strip them of freedom and self defense and self determination, and replace them with a Third World population. It is long past the time for the EU, that cancerous and deadly bureaucracy, to go.

For starters, I would go far to reverse the damaging immigration that has taken place with increasing acceleration over the last 30 years or so. Guest workers (Gastarbeiter), should have remained guests and returned to their home countries with their earnings. Instead, Third World attitudes and crime are now European Third World attitudes and crimes, taking place in Europe (and the UK, which considers itself not-Europe).

Secondly, I would bring the concepts of Free Speech and Self Defense (for example, using the Swiss or Norwegian models) to all of Europe, something they never quite had in Europe and which we are on the verge of losing in the USA.

The USA, after all, was largely settled by Europeans who'd had enough of the status quo and were willing to take the risks of early American factories, mills or fighting Indians. Those who remained were the ones who put up with the status quo.
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May 7, 2020 3:23 PM CST FAILING EU
Bohemund: When it was just the European Community, an outgrowth of the coal mining alliance between France and Germany (ECSC), and it was founded on the free movement of people and products across internal borders, along with the standardization in things like electrical sockets and wrenches, it wasn't a bad idea.

But it was seized upon by anti-European globalists, to bleed the populations white with taxation, immobilize them with onerous regulations, strip them of freedom and self defense and self determination, and replace them with a Third World population. It is long past the time for the EU, that cancerous and deadly bureaucracy, to go.

For starters, I would go far to reverse the damaging immigration that has taken place with increasing acceleration over the last 30 years or so. Guest workers (Gastarbeiter), should have remained guests and returned to their home countries with their earnings. Instead, Third World attitudes and crime are now European Third World attitudes and crimes, taking place in Europe (and the UK, which considers itself not-Europe).

Secondly, I would bring the concepts of Free Speech and Self Defense (for example, using the Swiss or Norwegian models) to all of Europe, something they never quite had in Europe and which we are on the verge of losing in the USA.

The USA, after all, was largely settled by Europeans who'd had enough of the status quo and were willing to take the risks of early American factories, mills or fighting Indians. Those who remained were the ones who put up with the status quo.
there isn't much Free Speech and Selfdefense left in Switzerland!mumbling
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May 8, 2020 12:55 AM CST FAILING EU
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
(12:25) UK economy to take 30% hit!
""The BankOfEngland has a dire warning for the UK economy - but the #Tories are still flying in the polls.
An interesting comparison stats between the #US and the #EU.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the UK government approach to combating the Invisible Enemy, the Governor of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey, has laid out what the bank sees as a potential outcome for - and it makes for pretty grim reading.

At least in the short term. Although the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee, the MPC, kept the bank rate at its historic low of 0.1% and maintained the Quantitative Easing programme at £645 billion - something it will it says have achieved in the next month or so, the bank did also say that the government’s policies could end up delivering the worst recession for 300 years.

Me? I’d call it a #Depression.

But it also said that the UK economy will shrink by 30% in the first six months of the year. And, as long as we come out of lockdown in the next few months the economy could rebound to be only 14% smaller at the end of 2020, compared to the end of 2019. And that 14% would be the largest drop for 300 years. And in a sign that some on the MPC see things getting worse, two of its members did vote to increase the QE programme by another £100 billion to £745 billion in order to pump even more liquidity into the markets.

Bear in mind, that this has only just been increased by £200 billion to help with the financial problems brought on by this public health crisis. And they haven’t yet filled that order.

Then there’s unemployment""

#JeffTaylor
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May 9, 2020 1:21 AM CST FAILING EU
Stranger1978HQ
Stranger1978HQStranger1978HQCologne !, Hamburg Germany241 Posts
Conrad73: there isn't much Free Speech and Selfdefense left in Switzerland!
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May 9, 2020 1:22 AM CST FAILING EU
Stranger1978HQ
Stranger1978HQStranger1978HQCologne !, Hamburg Germany241 Posts
CossackCat: (12:25) UK economy to take 30% hit!
""The BankOfEngland has a dire warning for the UK economy - but the #Tories are still flying in the polls.
An interesting comparison stats between the #US and the #EU.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the UK government approach to combating the Invisible Enemy, the Governor of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey, has laid out what the bank sees as a potential outcome for - and it makes for pretty grim reading.

At least in the short term. Although the Bank of England Monetary Policy Committee, the MPC, kept the bank rate at its historic low of 0.1% and maintained the Quantitative Easing programme at £645 billion - something it will it says have achieved in the next month or so, the bank did also say that the government’s policies could end up delivering the worst recession for 300 years.

Me? I’d call it a #Depression.

But it also said that the UK economy will shrink by 30% in the first six months of the year. And, as long as we come out of lockdown in the next few months the economy could rebound to be only 14% smaller at the end of 2020, compared to the end of 2019. And that 14% would be the largest drop for 300 years. And in a sign that some on the MPC see things getting worse, two of its members did vote to increase the QE programme by another £100 billion to £745 billion in order to pump even more liquidity into the markets.

Bear in mind, that this has only just been increased by £200 billion to help with the financial problems brought on by this public health crisis. And they haven’t yet filled that order.

Then there’s unemployment""

#JeffTaylor
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May 9, 2020 3:13 PM CST FAILING EU
Orzzz
OrzzzOrzzzPortage, Wisconsin USA106 Threads 8 Polls 806 Posts
France and Italy, maybe Greece..got into a mess of debt due to people being handed perks galore. 4 day work weeks, five week vacations, super pensions. So more went out than came in. Germany has given tons of money to bail them out. And what happens? The populous protest and riot when their government says the EU demands cuts to all the above. WHAT? No free ride?
so the hard working people paying taxes in well off nations pay for slough offs. Now those tax paying workers are getting fed up. What do THEY get..migrant workers.
The US works because states are too pull their own weight. In disasters and portions of tax sent to feds, states get help. But, state A is not expected to send money next door to state B.
One for all and all for one wont work when one thinks they deserve a free ride. In a team, all the horses go at the same pace. Or get dragged and cut out of the harness.
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May 13, 2020 8:09 AM CST FAILING EU
PeKaatje
PeKaatjePeKaatjeAnkeveen, North Holland Netherlands59 Threads 3 Polls 6,334 Posts
PeKaatje: The central bank of the European Union (ECB) is buying debts from countries without the chance for any state to agree with this. The idea is to support the economy, factories and offices can loan money.
So if Italy makes a lot of debts the CEB is paying, actually other countries are paying for the debts Italy is making. (It could be any European country of course).

The Germans now want to stop this or they won't pay anymore.
And they are right. The rules of the ECB are promoting fraud and neglect the budgetary rules of countries. While countries like Germany and The Netherlands behave countries in the south and east of Europe often don't.

East European countries also refuse to take the fair share of the fugetives and send them on to western Europe. They prefer a fine, pay for it, but in the end the west iws paying for most east European countries are getting more money than they are paying to the EU.
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rolling on the floor laughing
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