Hiroshima, seventy five years on. (92)
Tsubie52Melbourne, Florida USA1 Threads 223 Postsblathin: Thanks for the link Tsubie...I don't suppose you've seen the documentary on the children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki who're dealing with cancers and various other health problems? It's a few years old, but so sad.. If I can find it I;ll add it
I've seen a few of them, really heart wrenching. Even Robert Oppenheimer, "Father of the Atom Bomb" was against using it after he saw the test explosion in New Mexico. He was also against the build up of nuclear weapons internationally. I've read that Truman had him blacklisted. Whether he thought Oppenheimer was a Soviet spy or not, unsure.------ This thread is Archived ------
bodleing2: That's what I heard also. There was a very good documentary on BBC a couple of nights ago where it was claimed Hiroshima, Nagasaki and one other city (I forget the name) were not attacked for the reasons previously mentioned.
Nagasaki was not the original second target, the third city was meant to be bombed but was spared due to poor weather conditioned and the target was switched to Nagasaki at the last moment.
Major General LeMay was responsible for strategic bombing over Japan in the later part of WWII. Nagasaki was not the original second target, the third city was meant to be bombed but was spared due to poor weather conditioned and the target was switched to Nagasaki at the last moment.
Post fire bombing March 1945 Tokyo
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Tsubie52: I've seen a few of them, really heart wrenching. Even Robert Oppenheimer, "Father of the Atom Bomb" was against using it after he saw the test explosion in New Mexico. He was also against the build up of nuclear weapons internationally. I've read that Truman had him blacklisted. Whether he thought Oppenheimer was a Soviet spy or not, unsure.
I dunno, I just think it's all sheer madness. You'd think they would have learned by now there are no winners in war. I didn't know that about Oppenheimer or Truman but I do remember reading many years ago that Einstein was devastated when he saw how his discoveries were being weaponised.
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blathin: I dunno, I just think it's all sheer madness. You'd think they would have learned by now there are no winners in war.
I didn't know that about Oppenheimer or Truman but I do remember reading many years ago that Einstein was devastated when he saw how his discoveries were being weaponised.
Oppenheimer commented sadly, "I have now become Dr Death."I didn't know that about Oppenheimer or Truman but I do remember reading many years ago that Einstein was devastated when he saw how his discoveries were being weaponised.
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bodleing2: Oppenheimer commented sadly, "I have now become Dr Death."
Ah God, that's some burden of guilt to carry, I can't even begin to imagine how awful he must've felt. I wonder.did Truman feel any such guilt?------ This thread is Archived ------
blathin: Animals doing what they can to survive and eek out an existence on a small local scale is very very very different to humans building bombs and obliterating hundreds of thousands of innocent people on the other side of the planet. Saying "we wiped the floor with them" and we "cleaned house" is in really really bad taste too Rohann..
you’re right. I could have chosen a more diplomatic way to make the statement. Like I said, it did not reflect my personal feelings. I would have it that countries work out their differences non-violently. It seems, historically, that this is possible, although rare. It was important for me to get a note/head’s up from you. I’m ok with being re-directed, if it is patent.
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rohaan: you’re right. I could have chosen a more diplomatic way to make the statement. Like I said, it did not reflect my personal feelings. I would have it that countries work out their differences non-violently. It seems, historically, that this is possible, although rare. It was important for me to get a note/head’s up from you. I’m ok with being re-directed, if it is patent.
Ahh...so you were just playing devil's advocate Rohaan lol...god you had me wondering there because I was so sure you were very firmly in the "love and peace" camp...Anyway...yes, I totally, there is always always always a way to work things out peacefully, with respect for the other side , respect for their dignity, their needs and what's important to them and without the need for bloodshed. In wars there are no winners...compromise, everyone gives a little and wins a little and everyone walks away happy...
As a species we are still no better than early teenagers.. it's going to take the human species quite a few more generations yet before they realise wars bloodshed and the mindless slaughter of millions of people is not the answer...sadly none us here will live to see those times but we, as a species, will get there, evntually....sadly it'll be too late for all the lost lives, all the future great scientists, artists, educators that were killed, and also all wasted resources,like oil,, water, even our soil is being denatured to the point now that it's going to be destroyed beyond repair soon...Anyway, that's off topic...so for another day
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blathin: Ah God, that's some burden of guilt to carry, I can't even begin to imagine how awful he must've felt. I wonder.did Truman feel any such guilt?
Oppenheimer's regret was that he didn't develop the bomb fast enough. His ideal was for 1 of the 2 to have fallen on Germany, not both on Japan.------ This thread is Archived ------
blathin: Ahh...so you were just playing devil's advocate Rohaan lol...god you had me wondering there because I was so sure you were very firmly in the "love and peace" camp...
Anyway...yes, I totally, there is always always always a way to work things out peacefully, with respect for the other side , respect for their dignity, their needs and what's important to them and without the need for bloodshed. In wars there are no winners...compromise, everyone gives a little and wins a little and everyone walks away happy...
As a species we are still no better than early teenagers.. it's going to take the human species quite a few more generations yet before they realise wars bloodshed and the mindless slaughter of millions of people is not the answer...sadly none us here will live to see those times but we, as a species, will get there, evntually....sadly it'll be too late for all the lost lives, all the future great scientists, artists, educators that were killed, and also all wasted resources,like oil,, water, even our soil is being denatured to the point now that it's going to be destroyed beyond repair soon...Anyway, that's off topic...so for another day
I wish I could be more optimistic. The vie for resources is ongoing, that's really what war is usually based on. It won't stop. There was a "Star Trek" episode, "A Taste of Armageddon", I found highly prophetic even when I watched as a kid. A war fought with computers, forcing casualties, digitally counted by a computer model, to enter into "disintegration" machines (surprised no one has invented one of those). Cleanly killed no blood no mess, no destruction, leaving planet virtually untouched. There have been a number of variations on this theme. NWO, Elitism? Don't be surprised. Hope I'm wrong.Anyway...yes, I totally, there is always always always a way to work things out peacefully, with respect for the other side , respect for their dignity, their needs and what's important to them and without the need for bloodshed. In wars there are no winners...compromise, everyone gives a little and wins a little and everyone walks away happy...
As a species we are still no better than early teenagers.. it's going to take the human species quite a few more generations yet before they realise wars bloodshed and the mindless slaughter of millions of people is not the answer...sadly none us here will live to see those times but we, as a species, will get there, evntually....sadly it'll be too late for all the lost lives, all the future great scientists, artists, educators that were killed, and also all wasted resources,like oil,, water, even our soil is being denatured to the point now that it's going to be destroyed beyond repair soon...Anyway, that's off topic...so for another day
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Tsubie52: I wish I could be more optimistic. The vie for resources is ongoing, that's really what war is usually based on. It won't stop. There was a "Star Trek" episode, "A Taste of Armageddon", I found highly prophetic even when I watched as a kid. A war fought with computers, forcing casualties, digitally counted by a computer model, to enter into "disintegration" machines (surprised no one has invented one of those). Cleanly killed no blood no mess, no destruction, leaving planet virtually untouched. There have been a number of variations on this theme. NWO, Elitism? Don't be surprised. Hope I'm wrong.
. I’ve always remembered that one. Kirk had become infatuated with a beautiful woman. He hadn’t seen her for awhile, then ran into her in a corridor. She was just stepping into an elevator. She said “ well, this is good-bye”. He said, “good-bye! What are you talking about? She said, “ I’ve just been declared a war causality.” Even in the United States, we keep the “class” thing. With a very few exceptions, if you are not already rich/from wealth, you’re not going to Ivy League. In fact, it’s downright difficult to get an associates degree at a public-funded community college. The “powers that be” keep the low income financially crippled. You can’t even get out of it by working as hard and long as you can stand. (Your over-time is taxed to the max..) servers of all types who are tipped are literally robbed of them. I’m telling you, there is more to this entire problem...one of the biggest problems of war is that the leaders who cause them are insulated. ( they don’t have to go to the front lines).------ This thread is Archived ------
galrads: are you sure about that plan? USA did more damage to Japanese cities dropping fire bombs. .
Yes, pretty sure.You can send a lot of planes throwing fire bombs, and maybe the Japanese soldiers took down several planes too, but only one plane with only one bomb, that destroyed a whole city, that's something different.
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