Gaslighting ( Archived) (119)

Jan 11, 2022 4:45 PM CST Gaslighting
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Selenite: It's very possible to recognise traits out of a list made by a professional which puts into words a "malaise" that a person might not been able to put into words and without being aware of academic theories and models. It's not about being honest or dishonest about the theories and models, it's about whether the conversation needs to start there. It's your point of view that it does especially because it sounds like you have studied psychology and/psychiatry. I don't agree with your point of view, but I'm ok with it.

In reply to why a non-professional would be able to recognise traits mentioned in a descriptive list but not able to spot "it" as it's happening in order to call out the behaviour is because of the nature and manipulative traits of someone who gaslights which means it might not be immediately apparent until you've been drawn into a pointless "discussions"
I don't understand what you're saying here.

Are you saying that it doesn't matter whether an academic theory is valid, or honest for it to be a useful tool of understanding for lay people?
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Jan 11, 2022 4:46 PM CST Gaslighting
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
jac_the_gripper: You are blatantly using the gaslighting techniques in your posts n this thread time and time again.

What do you get out of it?
You didn’t even know what the term gaslighting meant a day ago & suddenly you’ve become an expert on the topic .
You use words that don’t make sense to appear to sound intelligent, so don’t start accusing people of a phrase you know nothing about .
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Jan 11, 2022 5:00 PM CST Gaslighting
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
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Jan 11, 2022 5:03 PM CST Gaslighting
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
The one person I would like to meat in real life is Jac , not only would I make mincemeat of her in an intellectual way , but to expose her for the fraud that she is .
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Jan 11, 2022 5:10 PM CST Gaslighting
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
It’s amazing how women want to be treated as equals on one hand & play the victim on the other when it suits them .
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Jan 11, 2022 5:14 PM CST Gaslighting
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I don't understand what you're saying here.

Are you saying that it doesn't matter whether an academic theory is valid, or honest for it to be a useful tool of understanding for lay people?
I hadn't thought in terms of valid or honest because it will depend what school of thought the psychiatrist belongs to whether his/her colleagues deem their theory valid or not.

I am assuming a theory is valid and honest, if it's being used by professionals who practice psychology or psychiatry. Although I'm aware that some colleagues may not be of the same school of thought and embrace the same theories.

Some people responded well to Freud's theories and others responded well to Jung. Yet they did not think each other's theories were valid, in spite of the fact they originally worked and researched together.

And I'm saying that a patient/person doesn't need to have a discussion about how the theories came to be discovered to resonate with them and for them to make sense and bring clarity. Although they might become interested and want to investigate later.
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Jan 11, 2022 5:15 PM CST Gaslighting
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
jac_the_gripper: You mean when you believe you're right, but can't articulate your reasoning to me.
Love you too, Jac... hug
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Jan 11, 2022 5:19 PM CST Gaslighting
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
Youcannow: The one person I would like to meat in real life is Jac , not only would I make mincemeat of her in an intellectual way , but to expose her for the fraud that she is .
Is this a new cockney rhyming slang expression? laugh
Or is it a Freudian slip? dunno
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Jan 11, 2022 5:21 PM CST Gaslighting
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
Selenite: Is this a new cockney rhyming slang expression?
Or is it a Freudian slip?
God forbid doh
Definitely a slip help laugh
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Jan 11, 2022 5:21 PM CST Gaslighting
I'll keep it short. I think that mostly is thanks to him; mikey.
Goes to show the man is humble and have a rather good EQ.
And Gals, idk is he a jew?

G'nite
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Jan 11, 2022 5:24 PM CST Gaslighting
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
Youcannow: God forbid
Definitely a slip
You do realise that a Freudian slip expresses something your conscious mind is unaware of hmmm


laugh
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Jan 11, 2022 5:28 PM CST Gaslighting
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
Selenite: You do realise that a Freudian slip expresses something your conscious mind is unaware of
I can assure you it was an error in my haste to post .
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Jan 11, 2022 5:37 PM CST Gaslighting
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
QueSera_Sera: This has happened to me but in a friendship sense, it was the beginning of the end of a years long friendship that I once thought was 2 way street, but had it not been for the gaslighting she started I wouldn't have had the guts to cut off that friendship.

Now I don't see it as a negative to see in a friendship but a good thing to tell you to run from it and don't look back.
Thank you for sharing your experience Que_Sera! Sorry I missed your post earlier handshake
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Jan 11, 2022 5:38 PM CST Gaslighting
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
Youcannow: I can assure you it was an error in my haste to post .
Tell that to Freud!! laugh
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Jan 11, 2022 5:41 PM CST Gaslighting
Selenite
SeleniteSeleniteMálaga, Andalusia Spain59 Threads 1 Polls 6,299 Posts
KarloradoFL: Gaslighting?
Not to be confused with pyroflatulence or flatus ignition laugh
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Jan 11, 2022 5:43 PM CST Gaslighting
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Grandsiozzie: I'll keep it short. I think that mostly is thanks to him; mikey.
Goes to show the man is humble and have a rather good EQ.
And Gals, idk is he a jew?

G'nite
No
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Jan 11, 2022 6:11 PM CST Gaslighting
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
galrads: No
Post a profile pic, Gal.. We will have to see the schnoz to believe you... grin
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Jan 11, 2022 8:59 PM CST Gaslighting
mikey4691
mikey4691mikey4691Knoxville, Tennessee USA8 Threads 6,868 Posts
Embedded image from another site

grin
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Jan 12, 2022 1:32 AM CST Gaslighting
Oxycodone
OxycodoneOxycodonePula, Central Croatia Croatia1,285 Posts
Gaslighting is prominent in the work place, and I have first hand experience of this. It got ugly because this particular person used all these mind boggling techniques to destabilise people. This said person would then report others to HR and spread gossip amongst others.

When it came down to the crunch, this said person lied and lied that staff had misinterpreted what she said and meant. It was truly shocking. So if anyone has been subject to this kind of behaviour I understand it only too well.

wine
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Jan 12, 2022 3:02 AM CST Gaslighting
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
I imagine that the term gaslight has come to prominence because of the internets lack of shared reality. We're all sat here on our own, only in a very minor sense are we connected. The role of shared reality is tiny, ordinarily your way and my way would be moderated by the way. Gaslight comes on because we are all scattered individuals.
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