Rehab or punishment (45)

Aug 13, 2022 3:00 AM CST Rehab or punishment
Friskyone
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Do you believe that people with drug addictions or those who suffer from mental illness, and they commit a crime, should they be punished/Incarcerated or should they get the help they need, rehab and medication management, if they need that, and therapy etc.?

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Aug 13, 2022 3:58 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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Friskyone: Do you believe that people with drug addictions or those who suffer from mental illness, and they commit a crime, should they be punished/Incarcerated or should they get the help they need, rehab and medication management, if they need that, and therapy etc.?
If they haven't hurt anybody I would have to say probably yes. Through the lockdowns and the recession I believe that a little mercy might actually be the answer which isn't necessarily the way most people respond to oppression. To be a c*nt now is more mad than the mad c*nts themselves, but we live in a mad world.
Aug 13, 2022 4:32 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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ChesneyChrist: If they haven't hurt anybody I would have to say probably yes. Through the lockdowns and the recession I believe that a little mercy might actually be the answer which isn't necessarily the way most people respond to oppression. To be a c*nt now is more mad than the mad c*nts themselves, but we live in a mad world.
It's a difficult one to figure out. I think we should be kinder under the worst circumstances because you could do better under the best circumstances. The alternative is to be merciful because things are going really well and you're feeling generous, but logically a person who does a bad thing under the best circumstances is more likely a bad person. The worst circumstances to some extent excuse shabby behaviour it makes them less guilty, the best circumstances make them more guilty but us more of a nice guy at the wrong time.
Aug 13, 2022 4:57 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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ChesneyChrist: It's a difficult one to figure out. I think we should be kinder under the worst circumstances because you could do better under the best circumstances. The alternative is to be merciful because things are going really well and you're feeling generous, but logically a person who does a bad thing under the best circumstances is more likely a bad person. The worst circumstances to some extent excuse shabby behaviour it makes them less guilty, the best circumstances make them more guilty but us more of a nice guy at the wrong time.
Mercy should be a light for when all other lights go out but most people don't do this. The worse criminal gets lucky because the judge and jury feel lucky but the tendency of tough times is to punish the innocent. I've been unlucky, now I'm going to make you unlucky. People tend to pass on their fortune or misfortune and justice is left to this fickleness.
Aug 13, 2022 5:20 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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ChesneyChrist: Mercy should be a light for when all other lights go out but most people don't do this. The worse criminal gets lucky because the judge and jury feel lucky but the tendency of tough times is to punish the innocent. I've been unlucky, now I'm going to make you unlucky. People tend to pass on their fortune or misfortune and justice is left to this fickleness.
That's why so many Jews get killed in troubled times. To make someone else even more unlucky than you have already been. But it's not a good thing that people are nice when it's easy and nasty when it's easy. That whatever mood is easiest to be in determines that Jews are responsible for all the worlds wars, or alternatively, that prisons should have a revolving door. It's when everybody is angry that you need to keep calm and when everybody is trivial that you need to get serious. Counter society's moods.
Aug 13, 2022 5:44 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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So it doesn't matter who the accused are in troubled times the most important thing to guard against is punishing the innocent. There's only one thing 80% of folks are going to do in troubled times and it's punish the innocent.

The ideal thing would be to have called for tight borders earlier, during the good times, rather than watch the masses of people who used to be pee-cee turn into a racist now that they know what a struggle is. We should have dealt with being called Nazi back in the 2000s by the same people about to become a Nazi.
Aug 13, 2022 6:36 AM CST Rehab or punishment
I'd say a mix, but more on the rehab part.
In my country the jails are pretty humane and
include some focus on rehab too.
Aug 13, 2022 7:37 AM CST Rehab or punishment
Both.
Being a drug addict isn't as harmless as we presume.
What about mothers with drug addiction, she's dangerous to her children before they are even born.
Often this children become addicts, turn to prostitution, crime, fraud.
And many drug addicts are not homeless and broke.
Your doctor may have an addiction and sooner or later it will result in someone's death, but seen as a accidental mistake. It happens probably more often than we know.
Addicts destroy their lives, the lives of people around them and they are not cheap on the tax payer as well.
Why would we let them think it's not their fault at all?!
Aug 13, 2022 8:02 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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People on the forums will prefer punishment because it's a collection of life's negative experiences. The old but heavily divorced along the way, plus you never have to look anybody in the eye. The divorced are more right wing than the married rather ironically, it is the least likely to do unto others as you would have them do unto you they are here to cut up your brother before he gets you in the end. Someone else has to pay for the misfortunes and for the mistakes in a vicious snake pit.
Aug 13, 2022 8:03 AM CST Rehab or punishment
2 people could come from the same sort of background and one betters themselves and the other takes the druggie route so it's a personal choice really......and there is already provision in legislation for those with mental illness for rehab as opposed to straightforward jail.....but sometimes boils down to inadequate provision of relevant services
Aug 13, 2022 8:34 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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Punishment is going to go down well in the shithole areas whilst the people who get to go to rehab? Who are they? Millionaires, the famous. What troubled times mean for the rest of us is that you won't get a fair trial and will be punished all the more on the basis of an unsafe verdict. People won't need a lot of proof when they want to hurt somebody anyway which 8 out of 10 cats do in a hard time. Only 20% can ever do the right thing the rest are a collective mood that forgets what it was itself doing 10 seconds ago.
Aug 13, 2022 9:10 AM CST Rehab or punishment
Feeling sorry for people lower, poorer, less intelligent and fortunate than you is a double edged sword.
You want to be the bigger person in the wrong scenario.
What makes you feel good about yourself is most times destructive for the one you feel sorry for.
6 billion Dollars are spent for one year of rehabilitation in USA.
I'd rather see this money spent on prevention and education.
Being fair isn't always being good. And this is how it should be.
Otherwise you are feeding a mistake that repeats and grows...
Aug 13, 2022 9:15 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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Perhaps 30% of men and 10% of women can judge people for what they did, and the context in which they did it, rather than by the mood you're in at the time of judging them. Which is probably because we come from people whose consequence for getting it wrong is death. We if not reluctantly say fair play not just for their benefit but our own. It comes from best man for the job which comes from being thrown to the lions and surviving it, this is different to woman's my favourite person for the job which is about maintaining a certain mood back at basecamp. If we never did fair play the men would die faster than the women. We respect making it on merit and all it had to do was save our lives. But if you're going to survive anyway it'll just be what you fancy that's innocent and what you don't fancy which is guilty.
Aug 13, 2022 9:53 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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Women will be both the ones trying to get serial killers off the hook, but also be the most fanatical supporters of the party. If she likes you, you'll struggle to put a foot wrong but the reason we have the term "yes man" is because some men will criticise people they like and actually turn down their approval if necessary.
Aug 13, 2022 10:20 AM CST Rehab or punishment
Ten_of_cupss: Both.
Being a drug addict isn't as harmless as we presume.
What about mothers with drug addiction, she's dangerous to her children before they are even born.
Often this children become addicts, turn to prostitution, crime, fraud.
And many drug addicts are not homeless and broke.
Your doctor may have an addiction and sooner or later it will result in someone's death, but seen as a accidental mistake. It happens probably more often than we know.
Addicts destroy their lives, the lives of people around them and they are not cheap on the tax payer as well.
Why would we let them think it's not their fault at all?!
Where do you draw the line, a few cocktails at the end of the working day? Sex to alleviate stress.

Live and let live, there but for the grace of GOD, go any one of us..

Have mercy on yourselves

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Aug 13, 2022 10:34 AM CST Rehab or punishment
jagtom: Where do you draw the line, a few cocktails at the end of the working day? Sex to alleviate stress.

Live and let live, there but for the grace of GOD, go any one of us..

Have mercy on yourselves
I am afraid you see it all too personal...
What one does in their personal life has no impact on others till the moment it does, then it becomes societal problem.
That's the difference.
Millions of homeless drug addicts isn't a God's job...
It is the end result of broken society... handshake
Aug 13, 2022 10:40 AM CST Rehab or punishment
Punishment never worked for anyone for any crime. Rehab is the best choice but only if they want to get clean.

People with mental illness and drug addicts are people in a bad situation and locking them up will not do any good, it will just make them worse criminals (proven time and again here). They need treatment.
Aug 13, 2022 10:50 AM CST Rehab or punishment
Ten_of_cupss: I am afraid you see it all too personal...
What one does in their personal life has no impact on others till the moment it does, then it becomes societal problem.
That's the difference.
Millions of homeless drug addicts isn't a God's job...
It is the end result of broken society...
But still people say, my cocktails are not a problems and the odd line of coke, is just my bit of fun, Not affecting anyone else, or does it????????
Aug 13, 2022 10:59 AM CST Rehab or punishment
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Admittedly that's more about spitting poison at or crawling all over someone because of how you feel about them. But you need someone to oppose this and it's going to have to be the rational male. Use the fact that men are by nature more open and trusting to somehow give somebody a fair shake, be less about the in-group and the out-group which are the things that matter to the feminine crowd twice as much in an insecure time.
Aug 13, 2022 11:03 AM CST Rehab or punishment
Friendship4ever
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Both. If you commit the crime, you do the time.
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