Rehab or punishment (30)
FriskyoneSanta Fe, New Mexico USA271 Threads 26 Polls 4,631 PostsDo you believe that people with drug addictions or those who suffer from mental illness, and they commit a crime, should they be punished/Incarcerated or should they get the help they need, rehab and medication management, if they need that, and therapy etc.?
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ChesneyChrist: It's a difficult one to figure out. I think we should be kinder under the worst circumstances because you could do better under the best circumstances. The alternative is to be merciful because things are going really well and you're feeling generous, but logically a person who does a bad thing under the best circumstances is more likely a bad person. The worst circumstances to some extent excuse shabby behaviour it makes them less guilty, the best circumstances make them more guilty but us more of a nice guy at the wrong time.
Mercy should be a light for when all other lights go out but most people don't do this. The worse criminal gets lucky because the judge and jury feel lucky but the tendency of tough times is to punish the innocent. I've been unlucky, now I'm going to make you unlucky. People tend to pass on their fortune or misfortune and justice is left to this fickleness.------ This thread is Archived ------
ChesneyChrist: Mercy should be a light for when all other lights go out but most people don't do this. The worse criminal gets lucky because the judge and jury feel lucky but the tendency of tough times is to punish the innocent. I've been unlucky, now I'm going to make you unlucky. People tend to pass on their fortune or misfortune and justice is left to this fickleness.
That's why so many Jews get killed in troubled times. To make someone else even more unlucky than you have already been. But it's not a good thing that people are nice when it's easy and nasty when it's easy. That whatever mood is easiest to be in determines that Jews are responsible for all the worlds wars, or alternatively, that prisons should have a revolving door. It's when everybody is angry that you need to keep calm and when everybody is trivial that you need to get serious. Counter society's moods.------ This thread is Archived ------
I'd say a mix, but more on the rehab part.
In my country the jails are pretty humane and
include some focus on rehab too.
In my country the jails are pretty humane and
include some focus on rehab too.
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People on the forums will prefer punishment because it's a collection of life's negative experiences. The old but heavily divorced along the way, plus you never have to look anybody in the eye. The divorced are more right wing than the married rather ironically, it is the least likely to do unto others as you would have them do unto you they are here to cut up your brother before he gets you in the end. Someone else has to pay for the misfortunes and for the mistakes in a vicious snake pit.
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2 people could come from the same sort of background and one betters themselves and the other takes the druggie route so it's a personal choice really......and there is already provision in legislation for those with mental illness for rehab as opposed to straightforward jail.....but sometimes boils down to inadequate provision of relevant services
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Feeling sorry for people lower, poorer, less intelligent and fortunate than you is a double edged sword.
You want to be the bigger person in the wrong scenario.
What makes you feel good about yourself is most times destructive for the one you feel sorry for.
6 billion Dollars are spent for one year of rehabilitation in USA.
I'd rather see this money spent on prevention and education.
Being fair isn't always being good. And this is how it should be.
Otherwise you are feeding a mistake that repeats and grows...
You want to be the bigger person in the wrong scenario.
What makes you feel good about yourself is most times destructive for the one you feel sorry for.
6 billion Dollars are spent for one year of rehabilitation in USA.
I'd rather see this money spent on prevention and education.
Being fair isn't always being good. And this is how it should be.
Otherwise you are feeding a mistake that repeats and grows...
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Perhaps 30% of men and 10% of women can judge people for what they did, and the context in which they did it, rather than by the mood you're in at the time of judging them. Which is probably because we come from people whose consequence for getting it wrong is death. We if not reluctantly say fair play not just for their benefit but our own. It comes from best man for the job which comes from being thrown to the lions and surviving it, this is different to woman's my favourite person for the job which is about maintaining a certain mood back at basecamp. If we never did fair play the men would die faster than the women. We respect making it on merit and all it had to do was save our lives. But if you're going to survive anyway it'll just be what you fancy that's innocent and what you don't fancy which is guilty.
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Women will be both the ones trying to get serial killers off the hook, but also be the most fanatical supporters of the party. If she likes you, you'll struggle to put a foot wrong but the reason we have the term "yes man" is because some men will criticise people they like and actually turn down their approval if necessary.
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Punishment never worked for anyone for any crime. Rehab is the best choice but only if they want to get clean.
People with mental illness and drug addicts are people in a bad situation and locking them up will not do any good, it will just make them worse criminals (proven time and again here). They need treatment.
People with mental illness and drug addicts are people in a bad situation and locking them up will not do any good, it will just make them worse criminals (proven time and again here). They need treatment.
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Ten_of_cupss: I am afraid you see it all too personal...
What one does in their personal life has no impact on others till the moment it does, then it becomes societal problem.
That's the difference.
Millions of homeless drug addicts isn't a God's job...
It is the end result of broken society...
But still people say, my cocktails are not a problems and the odd line of coke, is just my bit of fun, Not affecting anyone else, or does it????????What one does in their personal life has no impact on others till the moment it does, then it becomes societal problem.
That's the difference.
Millions of homeless drug addicts isn't a God's job...
It is the end result of broken society...
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Admittedly that's more about spitting poison at or crawling all over someone because of how you feel about them. But you need someone to oppose this and it's going to have to be the rational male. Use the fact that men are by nature more open and trusting to somehow give somebody a fair shake, be less about the in-group and the out-group which are the things that matter to the feminine crowd twice as much in an insecure time.
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Both. If you commit the crime, you do the time.
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Friskyone: Do you believe that people with drug addictions or those who suffer from mental illness, and they commit a crime, should they be punished/Incarcerated or should they get the help they need, rehab and medication management, if they need that, and therapy etc.?
Perhaps everyone who commits a crime (or doesn't) should be abe to access the help they need, whether it's prudent to keep them from society, or not.Certainly, imprisonment is a practical, moral and intellectual failure in most countries, at best.
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I'm venturing out on this topic with absolute full and honest transparency--ie, I worked in the medical field, particularly in psychiatric pediatrics, and later with adults with both drug/alcohol dependency and mental incapacities. However, it is so broad it would be foolish of me to pose as an expert. I'm not. Given that, my experience indicates that most people, whatever their condition(s), respond to a personal economy of consequences. Even pathological patients understand a value associated with "loss", whether it be monetary or freedom. I suggest that consequences be a part of any treatment, but how that is decided and developed I cannot cognitively say or provide. One of the simplest demonstrations: Minor 1 takes Minor 2's soda at a picnic. Nurse takes Minor 1's soda, plus the one she stole, and returns it to Minor 2. Nurse then seats Minor 1 away from group, and disallows her interaction/play for a period of time (short). Minor 1 "gets" it that her action of taking away from another causes her loss and temporary isolation.
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Grandsiozzie: I'd say a mix, but more on the rehab part.
In my country the jails are pretty humane and
include some focus on rehab too.
Great introspection.In my country the jails are pretty humane and
include some focus on rehab too.
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Well, it's easy to be nice to nice - said my grandmother 
Yea. Remember the italian nurses during covid (..)
Hope they got a diploma or two to have on the wall.
Yea. Remember the italian nurses during covid (..)
Hope they got a diploma or two to have on the wall.
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Through the lockdown and the recession the first thing I would be soft as a brush over is who said what online. The way we've groomed us into little recesses of the internet not really knowing what's going to come out of it. The law is rigid and backward anyway staffed by the sheltered, they're going to be so shocked to find the way things are like they've time travelled to now from the 1980s.
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Not necessarily on purpose but undeniably corrupt. It's more than a coincidence that what they want is to drive us onto a small range of websites owned by the same 5 or 6 men. This is not just coincidence but an indication of who the powerful are.
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ChesneyChrist: Not necessarily on purpose but undeniably corrupt. It's more than a coincidence that what they want is to drive us onto a small range of websites owned by the same 5 or 6 men. This is not just coincidence but an indication of who the powerful are.
I strongly suspect that it will soon not be safe for us to continue speaking like this anymore. The wild west internet is entering a stage of tyranny from one extreme to the other. It's going to take decades of experience for people to know what they're doing, now is the tyranny of sheep trying to use an iPhone.------ This thread is Archived ------
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