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Yes yes
But what I wonder about fundamentally is, what is best now-
to tell these folk
"listen damnint, now you talk within your group and bring forward your best and most reasonable people who in no shape or form will run Irans errand no more and we, Israel will help you build up your land again and make a nation that will be rigid too."
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or
"you can go on like before poor you people, we will continue to send container after container with aid and no demands, you can keep your Iran support and holy wars and leaders in Doha too"
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But what I wonder about fundamentally is, what is best now-
to tell these folk
"listen damnint, now you talk within your group and bring forward your best and most reasonable people who in no shape or form will run Irans errand no more and we, Israel will help you build up your land again and make a nation that will be rigid too."
....
or
"you can go on like before poor you people, we will continue to send container after container with aid and no demands, you can keep your Iran support and holy wars and leaders in Doha too"
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Grandsiozzie: Yes yes
But what I wonder about fundamentally is, what is best now-
to tell these folk
"listen damnint, now you talk within your group and bring forward your best and most reasonable people who in no shape or form will run Irans errand no more and we, Israel will help you build up your land again and make a nation that will be rigid too."
....
or
"you can go on like before poor you people, we will continue to send container after container with aid and no demands, you can keep your Iran support and holy wars and leaders in Doha too"
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First of all , the Jewish Zionists must lose the superiority complex they have over , not only the Muslims but non Jews in general. But what I wonder about fundamentally is, what is best now-
to tell these folk
"listen damnint, now you talk within your group and bring forward your best and most reasonable people who in no shape or form will run Irans errand no more and we, Israel will help you build up your land again and make a nation that will be rigid too."
....
or
"you can go on like before poor you people, we will continue to send container after container with aid and no demands, you can keep your Iran support and holy wars and leaders in Doha too"
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They are not the chosen ones as they claim to be . That old saying “ the Egyptians are drowning & the Jews are cheering” . How do you think that would infuriate god ..the killing of his creation?
Palestinians who have lived for generations in their land have less right than a Jewish settler who arrived recently from another land .
The more I think about it , the more I’m beginning to realise this is a proxy war between the USA & Iran , judging by the language & rhetoric coming out of the White House .
Aha. Who started it?
Grandsiozzie: Aha. Who started it?
How far are we going back ?
in the close history,
I think the Turks colonised it first. Then the British conquered it during the great war.
The Zionists annoyed the British out, then they aimed for their local neighbours.
Then a lot if East European rich or elite used the country to flee their communist regime.
Israel then bombed their neighbouring countries and took a whole lot of land.
They gave most of that back.
Since then the zionists and the local neighbours have tried to outbreed each other.
One in a lot of land, one in refugee camps.
I think the Turks colonised it first. Then the British conquered it during the great war.
The Zionists annoyed the British out, then they aimed for their local neighbours.
Then a lot if East European rich or elite used the country to flee their communist regime.
Israel then bombed their neighbouring countries and took a whole lot of land.
They gave most of that back.
Since then the zionists and the local neighbours have tried to outbreed each other.
One in a lot of land, one in refugee camps.
Len05: in the close history,
I think the Turks colonised it first. Then the British conquered it during the great war.
The Zionists annoyed the British out, then they aimed for their local neighbours.
Then a lot if East European rich or elite used the country to flee their communist regime.
Israel then bombed their neighbouring countries and took a whole lot of land.
They gave most of that back.
Since then the zionists and the local neighbours have tried to outbreed each other.
One in a lot of land, one in refugee camps.
The Israelis can’t keep up with their Palestinian counterparts in the breeding department, with the population nearly doubling since Hamas took over , whereas the Israeli population is dependent on foreign arrivals.I think the Turks colonised it first. Then the British conquered it during the great war.
The Zionists annoyed the British out, then they aimed for their local neighbours.
Then a lot if East European rich or elite used the country to flee their communist regime.
Israel then bombed their neighbouring countries and took a whole lot of land.
They gave most of that back.
Since then the zionists and the local neighbours have tried to outbreed each other.
One in a lot of land, one in refugee camps.
Youcannow: The Israelis can’t keep up with their Palestinian counterparts in the breeding department, with the population nearly doubling since Hamas took over , whereas the Israeli population is dependent on foreign arrivals.
You have no idea what the Orthodox are doing. No work for man, no army for man, and a lot of kids.
But yes Gaza and such is a productive area.
Still in my country, kids are seen as innocent, so i don't understand why these have to live/be raised in a prison.
Youcannow:
Now under the Geneva convention, anyone who waves a white flag in surrender must be treated as a prisoner .,instead they were shot in cold blood , which begs the question.
Are the tactics to shoot anyone, fighter , or civilian?
Certainly seems than way, if they can't differentiate between a half naked Israeli waving a white flag, and a half naked Palestinian waving a white flag.Now under the Geneva convention, anyone who waves a white flag in surrender must be treated as a prisoner .,instead they were shot in cold blood , which begs the question.
Are the tactics to shoot anyone, fighter , or civilian?
Bluefish22: Certainly seems than way, if they can't differentiate between a half naked Israeli waving a white flag, and a half naked Palestinian waving a white flag.
Nevertheless, it doesn’t matter who they are , it’s a war crime either way .Len05: You have no idea what the Orthodox are doing.
No work for man, no army for man, and a lot of kids.
But yes Gaza and such is a productive area.
Still in my country, kids are seen as innocent, so i don't understand why these have to live/be raised in a prison.
Because Palestinians have less value than their Jewish counterparts. No work for man, no army for man, and a lot of kids.
But yes Gaza and such is a productive area.
Still in my country, kids are seen as innocent, so i don't understand why these have to live/be raised in a prison.
If a Jewish civilian is killed , the whole world & his mother hears about it but when it comes to Palestinians, they are collateral damage.
Len05: in the close history,
I think the Turks colonised it first. Then the British conquered it during the great war.
The Zionists annoyed the British out, then they aimed for their local neighbours.
Then a lot if East European rich or elite used the country to flee their communist regime.
Israel then bombed their neighbouring countries and took a whole lot of land.
They gave most of that back.
Since then the zionists and the local neighbours have tried to outbreed each other.
One in a lot of land, one in refugee camps.
What people don’t realise is that before the 1948 Nakba , 8% of Palestine were Christian inhabitants who were part of the 700,000 driven out of their land by the Zionist movement .I think the Turks colonised it first. Then the British conquered it during the great war.
The Zionists annoyed the British out, then they aimed for their local neighbours.
Then a lot if East European rich or elite used the country to flee their communist regime.
Israel then bombed their neighbouring countries and took a whole lot of land.
They gave most of that back.
Since then the zionists and the local neighbours have tried to outbreed each other.
One in a lot of land, one in refugee camps.
Youcannow: What people don’t realise is that before the 1948 Nakba , 8% of Palestine were Christian inhabitants who were part of the 700,000 driven out of their land by the Zionist movement .
Out greek hero loves to talk in slogans... he is not at all interested in facts and history. I love having fun reading your masterpieces, my love
Driven out. That is lieful to be honest. But you know what,
I don't think he knows any better.. cos youcannow don't check too deeply is my
experience. Just has decided "that's the bad guys over there" so let's go the other way.
Open prison, age old Arabic territory, blockade (dispite 500 trucks per day) etc.
Thouuu.. one thing I'll give cannon partially right about:
Until them Palestinans start properly behave like responsible adults who will from now on show some normal respect and validation to their counterpart on the other side of the border they will have to expect continued limitations still.
If they change (now is the chance soon) the gates to growth freedom and a better future for Gaza and W.B. opens up. And that is the key here.
But as long as the slogan is "kill them bad Jews" - no... you can't travel, trade or do as you wish freely. Sorry.
I don't think he knows any better.. cos youcannow don't check too deeply is my
experience. Just has decided "that's the bad guys over there" so let's go the other way.
Open prison, age old Arabic territory, blockade (dispite 500 trucks per day) etc.
Thouuu.. one thing I'll give cannon partially right about:
Until them Palestinans start properly behave like responsible adults who will from now on show some normal respect and validation to their counterpart on the other side of the border they will have to expect continued limitations still.
If they change (now is the chance soon) the gates to growth freedom and a better future for Gaza and W.B. opens up. And that is the key here.
But as long as the slogan is "kill them bad Jews" - no... you can't travel, trade or do as you wish freely. Sorry.
Grandsiozzie: Driven out. That is lieful to be honest. But you know what,
I don't think he knows any better.. cos youcannow don't check too deeply is my
experience. Just has decided "that's the bad guys over there" so let's go the other way.
Open prison, age old Arabic territory, blockade (dispite 500 trucks per day) etc.
Thouuu.. one thing I'll give cannon partially right about:
Until them Palestinans start properly behave like responsible adults who will from now on show some normal respect and validation to their counterpart on the other side of the border they will have to expect continued limitations still.
If they change (now is the chance soon) the gates to growth freedom and a better future for Gaza and W.B. opens up. And that is the key here.
But as long as the slogan is "kill them bad Jews" - no... you can't travel, trade or do as you wish freely. Sorry.
Liqud is also about not recognising Palestinians. across the border or whatever.I don't think he knows any better.. cos youcannow don't check too deeply is my
experience. Just has decided "that's the bad guys over there" so let's go the other way.
Open prison, age old Arabic territory, blockade (dispite 500 trucks per day) etc.
Thouuu.. one thing I'll give cannon partially right about:
Until them Palestinans start properly behave like responsible adults who will from now on show some normal respect and validation to their counterpart on the other side of the border they will have to expect continued limitations still.
If they change (now is the chance soon) the gates to growth freedom and a better future for Gaza and W.B. opens up. And that is the key here.
But as long as the slogan is "kill them bad Jews" - no... you can't travel, trade or do as you wish freely. Sorry.
For Liqud it is all jewish and only for the jews.
Can they bomb Israel flat for the Liqud statements?
Are newborns in Tel Aviv to blame for netanyahu?
When does the curse of a tribe or group start?
Yes there was a lot of violence when the Palestinians left their homes. Also a lot of Jewish people attacking Arabs.
Yes they should have been allowed to go home.
The peaceful people that left their houses due to violence.
nakba or whatever.
No matter their religion or heritage.
There seemed to be place enough for new people, so there was certainly place for old people. Old people that fled for violence.
The Israeli's didn't let them back in.
They are knocking on the door, or harder.
Let them back in.
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Unless if they wise up now. They can do it.
I understand you feel for the underdog John, with your background and personal experiences,
but I have one final question for you or anybody else here on this thread:
Do you seriously not see no need to demand something from the Palestinians here...
we as a world community should just continue to buy into this victim story
and never ask them to get a grip inside their own lines?
We can seriously not ask the adults there
to hold back their own youth with machine guns and rockets
in the name of building a better future for all
No?
I’m totally against Hamas , in every shape and form .
That’s not to say I agree with the tactics employed by the IDF .
A more controlled aggression, without so many civilian casualties & I would be right on board .
But the current tactics have raised suspicions on the motives employed & has isolated its support.