I am ashamed of the RCMP. ( Archived) (57)

Nov 20, 2007 11:43 AM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,019 Threads 13 Polls 9,583 Posts
Agreed. The facts will speak for themselves. Be well.
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Nov 20, 2007 11:53 AM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Fellfrosch
FellfroschFellfroschLeipzig, Saxony Germany94 Threads 4 Polls 774 Posts
I agree, that the police is needed. I though, the reason that such things happen is, that officer are also feared. To make a decision of right or wrong in a few seconds.

By the way, in Germany is it not allowed that the police or security to wear teaser. Because people would rather shoot an taser as a weapon and the risk to kill people thoughtlessly is to high. The only which are wearing Taser, is a special unit.
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Nov 20, 2007 11:59 AM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
That's a completely different discussion.
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Nov 20, 2007 12:01 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Jacko21
Jacko21Jacko21St. Pauls Bay, Majjistral Malta179 Threads 2,718 Posts
I'm big on liberation theology?......You obviously don't know your man......................better stick to your own opinions..............we all have them right or wrong
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Nov 20, 2007 12:14 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
TrueNorthMan7
TrueNorthMan7TrueNorthMan7Barrie, Canada34 Threads 1,096 Posts
not youroll eyes
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Nov 20, 2007 1:50 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
kueg32
kueg32kueg32farmersburg, Iowa USA7 Threads 83 Posts
i being in law enforcement would rather use a taser 1000 times before using a bullet which back in the day is all they had.

i do believe with these special munitions weapons that police officers have lessened there ability to talk people down or negoiate apeaceful conclusion to a bad situation. they have made these weapons for a peace officers protection and lately the "taser" has been headlined. i would myself prefer being tasered (again)then ever be shot by a gun. but i am not sure why those officers chose not to use "pepper spray, mace or any other canistered component) which has been proven to be a whole lot safer than electronic devices.

it has always been court defensible to only "use as much force as neccasary" to end any stand off or problem.

i believe (but not seeing the video) that the police could have you spray and he would have stopped his actions in a second. if he didn't then go to the next step. but don"t skip steps to justify an end unless there was iniment danger to the public.

1. presence
2. dialog
3. empty hand contol
4. special munition weapons(gas or spray)rubber bullets
5. electronic devices (taser)others.
6. lethal or deadly force (only when faced with danger to self or public.

i learned this the 1st day of the academy
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Nov 20, 2007 1:55 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,019 Threads 13 Polls 9,583 Posts
"There have been lots of cops killed on duty but I bet Gentle Paws has never complained about those.

Not surprising. I know your type".

Belligerency and animosity does not help when trying to make a point, in fact it's self defeating. If your goal is to illicit a negative reply, you'll have to try a lot harder.
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Nov 20, 2007 2:20 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Jan1305
Jan1305Jan1305Sunshine and vino, Murcia Spain170 Threads 5,319 Posts
Oh my God Paws, I've just watched the video and I feel physically sick.

The poor man was obviously distressed as you say, but not such a threat as to provoke the action foolishly taken by the police.
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Nov 20, 2007 2:26 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
kueg32
kueg32kueg32farmersburg, Iowa USA7 Threads 83 Posts
sorry about the spelling.....imminent danger......oops...peace
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Nov 20, 2007 2:47 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
gentlepaws
gentlepawsgentlepawsAny town, Ontario Canada1,019 Threads 13 Polls 9,583 Posts
I worked with violent juveniles in a detention centre (14-18 yrs., old) for 6 years. We had nothing at our disposal other than our bare hands and dialogue. In those 6 years only 2 workers suffered permanent injury. I am aware that the level and intensity of violent attacks have increased, but law enforcement have come to rely to readily on tasers.
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Nov 20, 2007 3:36 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Cbond36
Cbond36Cbond36Russellville, USA40 Threads 1,571 Posts
It's amazing what people will argue over............
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Nov 20, 2007 3:46 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
macluppo
macluppomacluppoArnhem, Gelderland Netherlands3 Threads 40 Posts
The point GP raised isen't just about police violence, it is more about the hyped up climate of paranoia in everyone's mind, Police, citizens alike, to curtail civil liberties for which our froefathers faught, and contole us tightly under their global dictatorship, so no one would question the system which is on the brink of collaps anyway.
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Nov 20, 2007 3:55 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
omurchu
omurchuomurchuDundalk, Louth Ireland20 Threads 558 Posts
Im with this Guy on this


FOR THE SIMPLE FACT ....DUH....THE FULL STORY HASNT BEEN TOLD YET AND THE STORY TOLD BY A TABLOID WAS OF ONLY ONE PERSONS ACCOUNT...EMOTIONAL STORIES SELL THE BEST
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Nov 20, 2007 4:28 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
kitty01
kitty01kitty01St. Albert, Alberta Canada244 Threads 1 Polls 5,310 Posts
I don't believe the man needed to be tasered the number of times he was. If it was necessary once should be enough then again at a later time if really neccessary.wave
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Nov 20, 2007 4:44 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing

Visit the frustration thread Christina!laugh
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Nov 20, 2007 4:44 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
laugh

tongue


kiss kiss
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Nov 20, 2007 4:46 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
kueg32
kueg32kueg32farmersburg, Iowa USA7 Threads 83 Posts
geesh i think i am going to look for the next haley bop comet and get out of here.....if that doesn't work i guess i will just drink the kool aid your serving......cheers
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Nov 20, 2007 8:39 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Yes 17 people have died since they placed tasers in police hands to use in high risk situations!!!!!!!

I have to laugh at the RCMP and others that say the video is not the full story...Apparently one can't believe what they see now...Eye witnesses discounted the RCMP's story long before the video came out!!!!!! The problem seems to be they are using tasers as a weapon to arrest and control vs. high risk take down...which is the sole reason they have them!!!!!!!

Excessive use of force is a no no...I hope they get what they deserve...Any cop worth his salt knows that and that the taser should be used only as a weapon of last resort when other methods fail!!!!!!1

conversing conversing
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Nov 20, 2007 8:44 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
peacemom764
peacemom764peacemom764Dover, Delaware USA2 Threads 847 Posts
I seen that video on tv and I was appalled by it..I felt horrible for him and for his mother...What is this world coming to? sigh
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Nov 20, 2007 8:49 PM CST I am ashamed of the RCMP.
Hugz_n_Kissez
Hugz_n_KissezHugz_n_KissezSomeplace, Ontario Canada59 Threads 2 Polls 25,438 Posts
Critics demand police shelve Tasers after Montreal man dies
Quebec incident on same day that man died at Vancouver airport after jolts from stun gun


The death of a Montreal man who was zapped by a Taser while in police custody has renewed calls for authorities to stop using the stun gun without more information about their risks.

Quilem Registre, 38, became the second person in less than a week in Canada to die after being subdued with the weapon.

"We are in a state of shock," a member of the family, who asked not to be identified, told the Canadian Press.

Police said Registre was intoxicated when they stopped him for a traffic violation on Sunday. They say he became aggressive during questioning at the station, forcing officers to use a Taser.

Registre ended up in critical condition at a Montreal hospital, where he died overnight Wednesday.

Registre's death, along with the death of a Polish man after a similar incident on Sunday at the Vancouver International Airport, has prompted Amnesty International to call for a moratorium on Taser use.

"We think the weapon is used too often against people who are not armed and don't pose a threat," said Beatrice Veaugrante, head of the human rights organization's Quebec branch.

Veaugrante and other critics say there has yet to be an independent study in Canada about the safety of Tasers, which are manufactured by the Scottsdale, Ariz., company of the same name.

"It's really worrying to see that maybe police are using them a little too readily," she said Thursday.

Tasers can save lives, research centre says
But figures compiled by the Canadian Police Research Centre suggest that most mid-size police forces only use stun guns between 50 to 60 times a year, on average. They were only used 51 times in 2006 by police officers in Quebec.

The centre's executive director, Steve Palmer, said there have been several international studies that demonstrate their harmlessness.

"There is a growing body of knowledge out there that these devices are safe when used properly," Palmer said.

"We don't speak often enough about the number of lives that have been saved, the number of people that are up and walking around today that might not have been had it not been for a Taser."

'It's Russian roulette,' says brother after Taser death
Yet a number of recent deaths have undermined public confidence in a device that delivers a 50,000-volt shock to suspects.

According to some counts, as many as 17 people have died in Canada following Taser incidents since 2003.

"It's Russian roulette," said Patti Gillman, whose brother, Robert Bagnell, died after being stunned by police in Vancouver.

"They have no idea when they use it on someone what the outcome is going to be," said Gillman, who also runs the blog "Truth … Not Tasers."

A Quebec legislative group is currently studying the provincial government's policy toward Tasers. A government spokesperson told the Canadian Press that following Sunday's incident in Montreal, provincial Public Security Minister Jacques Dupuis ordered the group to hand over its findings as soon as possible.

Palmer said the police research centre has also been considering conducting a more wide-ranging study of Taser practices in Canada.

In the meantime, the Registre family will have to wait for answers about how a routine police operation ended in Quilem's death.

Quebec's provincial police force, which has been investigating the Registre incident since Tuesday, is refusing to comment on the case.

Gillman warned the family to prepare for a trying experience in their quest for information.

"They can expect a long and frustrating journey if it's anything like what we've been through," she said.



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